[Lnc-business] I am confused
John Phillips
john.phillips at lp.org
Sun Mar 15 20:16:48 EDT 2020
Umm, Sam, reading that list seems to be that several of those things
could come up during or after convention. Again, this is lower on my
priority list than other things, but I do see the points of those
worrying about it.
John Phillips
Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
Cell 217-412-5973
On 3/14/2020 8:08 PM, Sam Goldstein wrote:
>
> Sorry, but I can't quite figure out where the lack of a JC is going to
> affect any resolution to this situation. Where would the JC have any
> jurisdiction per their Bylaws set possible courses of action:
>
>
> 2. The subject matter jurisdiction of the Judicial Committee is
> limited to consideration of only those
> matters expressly identified as follows:
> a. suspension of affiliate parties (Article 5, Section 6),
> b. suspension of officers (Article 6, Section 7),
> c. suspension of National Committee members-at-large (Article 7,
> Section 5),
> d. voiding of National Committee decisions (Article 7, Section 12),
> e. challenges to platform planks (Rule 5, Section 7),
> f. challenges to Resolutions (Rule 6, Section 2), and
> g. suspension of Presidential and Vice-Presidential candidates
> (Article 14, Section 5).
>
>
> The only possible scenario I can envision is if the LNC decides to
> reappoint itself in the event we can't have a convention due to
> government mandate and Section 2d might pertain.
>
> ---
> Sam Goldstein, At Large Member
> Libertarian National Committee
> 317-850-0726 Cell
>
>
> On 2020-03-14 20:53, john.phillips at lp.org wrote:
>
>> Yes it may. I have made that point before.
>>
>> John Phillips
>> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>> Cell 217-412-5973
>>
>> On Mar 14, 2020 7:47 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I don't like to say I told you so, but the whole "no big deal we
>> don't have a JC" may come to bite us in the ass over this
>> convention. I don't want to be right.
>> * In Liberty,*
>> *//*
>> /* Personal Note: * I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
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>>
>> On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 8:32 PM <john.phillips at lp.org
>> <mailto:john.phillips at lp.org>> wrote:
>>
>> So that answers the question. So it can be done if the steps
>> are followed.
>> Whether it should I will leave to others.
>>
>> John Phillips
>> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>> Cell 217-412-5973
>>
>> On Mar 14, 2020 6:20 PM, Sam Goldstein <sam.goldstein at lp.org
>> <mailto:sam.goldstein at lp.org>> wrote:
>>
>> John,
>>
>> The delegates in convention can do pretty much whatever
>> they want within the bound of the Bylaws and Roberts. We
>> have had Bylaws and/or Convention Rules that take effect
>> immediately, the change to Approval Voting for At Large
>> and JC at Columbus that turned into a major fiasco, for
>> instance.
>>
>>
>> ARTICLE 17: AMENDMENT
>> 1. These Bylaws may be amended by a 2/3 vote of the
>> delegates at any Regular Convention.
>> 2. Article 3, Section 1, or this Section, shall not be
>> amended by a vote of less than 7/8 of all
>> registered delegates at a Regular Convention.
>>
>>
>> ---
>> Sam Goldstein, At Large Member
>> Libertarian National Committee
>> 317-850-0726 Cell
>>
>>
>> On 2020-03-14 17:07, john.phillips at lp.org
>> <mailto:john.phillips at lp.org> wrote:
>>
>> Thank you for the clarification.
>> However, they could consider a bylaws change at
>> convention to allow it?
>> At this point this is low on my things of concern,
>> just engaging in a conversation brought up.
>>
>> John Phillips
>> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>> Cell 217-412-5973
>>
>> On Mar 14, 2020 2:57 PM, Sam Goldstein
>> <sam.goldstein at lp.org <mailto:sam.goldstein at lp.org>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> The solution would be a Bylaws change allowing an
>> immediate election of a JC that will hold office
>> until 2022 when the regular cycle would resume.
>> Caryn Ann is correct in that the Bylaws cannot be
>> suspended. We cannot resume the election as
>> unfinished business because all business
>> terminated at the end of the convention, we
>> didn't table it until the next meeting.
>>
>> ---
>> Sam Goldstein, At Large Member
>> Libertarian National Committee
>> 317-850-0726 Cell
>>
>>
>> On 2020-03-14 15:46, john.phillips--- via
>> Lnc-business wrote:
>>
>> I am unsure why it would take a bylaws change?
>> Could we not just continue the election as
>> unfinished/old business from the last convention?
>> Not an expert on this as we know, but would
>> seem to be the simplest solution.
>>
>> John Phillips
>> Libertarian National Committee Region 6
>> Representative
>> Cell 217-412-5973
>>
>> On Mar 14, 2020 2:28 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via
>> Lnc-business <lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> <mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org>> wrote:
>>
>> I keep hearing discussions about how we
>> can fix the JC issue this
>> convention through a suspension of the
>> Rules but the JC is under the Bylaws
>> not the Rules and Bylaws cannot be
>> suspended. Am I missing something here?
>>
>> * In Liberty,*
>> * Personal Note: I have what is commonly
>> known as Asperger's Syndrome
>> (part of the autism spectrum). This can
>> affect inter-personal
>> communication skills in both personal and
>> electronic arenas. If anyone
>> found anything offensive or overly
>> off-putting (or some other social faux
>> pas) in an actual email, please contact
>> me privately and let me know. *
>>
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