[Lnc-business] NOTICE OF SPECIAL E-MEETING MARCH 26 9PM-11PM EASTERN

[Caryn Ann Harlos]

Ms Mattson it is the 26 from 9-11 eastern.  The notice publicly posted on
LP.org states those times.  The zoom auto notice did not but that end time
is what I said.  No one is trying to sneak anything in.

The resistance in general of this body to emeetings makes scheduling one
tense.

-Caryn Ann

On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 6:43 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
wrote:

> Ms Mattson I do not believe I was rude.  It was not intended to be and
> written carefully with an intent not to be.  So if you were offended I
> apologize.  I however firmly believe my notice is correct and I leave that
> to the decision of the chair.
>
> I appreciate your tutelage.
>
> On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 6:07 PM Tim Hagan via Lnc-business <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
>> I thought the e-mail system had caught the coronavirus. I'm disinfecting
>> my computer so it won't spread to me.
>>
>> ---
>> Tim Hagan
>> Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
>>
>> On 2020-03-15 14:52, Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business wrote:
>> > John,
>> >
>> > I know from your email that you are tired and irritable, but did you
>> > have to send the email 6 times?
>> >
>> > Stay Free!
>> >
>> > ---
>> > Sam Goldstein, At Large Member
>> > Libertarian National Committee
>> > 317-850-0726 Cell
>> >
>> > On 2020-03-15 12:34, john.phillips--- via Lnc-business wrote:
>> >
>> >> I am tired. I am irritable.  I am frustrated. So I probably should not
>> >> speak at all. But since much of my frustration is with this crap here
>> >> you go.
>> >>
>> >> The intention was clear to the co-sponsors, suck it up and deal with
>> >> it.
>> >>
>> >> Stop with the damn rules lawyering obstructionist BS.  Are there times
>> >> it is appropriate, yes, but 90% of the time it is being thrown out
>> >> there to forward some personal agenda, or just satisfy some deep OCD
>> >> issues.  Give it an effen rest.
>> >>
>> >> It is clear that enough members of the body desire a discussion.  It
>> >> is clear that enough members of the party would like this discussion
>> >> to happen.
>> >>
>> >> I very personally will suggest that if you spend half or more of your
>> >> time trying being petty over dotted i's and crossed t's that make no
>> >> real difference - allowing for the times it actually does - that
>> >> perhaps every now and then step back and realize that it really doesnt
>> >> mean a damn thing and you are just being a PITA for nothing.
>> >>
>> >> Yes I am aware of the hypocrisy of this after the crap I gave about
>> >> civility, but enough is damn well enough.
>> >>
>> >> John Phillips
>> >> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>> >> Cell 217-412-5973
>> >>
>> >> On Mar 15, 2020 9:27 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
>> >> <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> I had today's date wrong in my head as I am traveling lol over the
>> >>> country
>> >>> and barely know what state I am in.
>> >>>
>> >>> I will let the chair decide if it's correct.
>> >>>
>> >>> This to me is an example of using the rules to make things difficult
>> >>> for no
>> >>> real purpose.  And I simply won't waste time on that.  Everyone knows
>> >>> the
>> >>> intent and everyone knows the date was to accommodate the ten day
>> >>> notice
>> >>> period without being wayyyy out.  The fact that one angel isn't
>> >>> dancing on
>> >>> the pin head is not relevant IMHO.  It is apparent that a certain
>> >>> contingent doesn't want a meeting and that is fine - but some of us
>> >>> do and
>> >>> I stand by my call.
>> >>>
>> >>> The chair can unilaterally reset at his choice and I would welcome
>> >>> it.
>> >>>
>> >>> On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 8:23 AM Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business <
>> >>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Alicia does have some points in the 12 days and time arena, but I
>> >>>> believe
>> >>>> the motion itself passed correctly. I believe the secretary may have
>> >>>> set
>> >>>> the meeting up incorrectly.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> In the original ask the time and subject were included. I'm happy to
>> >>>> move
>> >>>> this meeting two days sooner as we passed. There should be no other
>> >>>> issues
>> >>>> beyond that. The reason I'm not in arms over the date is because it
>> >>>> was
>> >>>> proposed and passed on the same day with the language of starting 10
>> >>>> days
>> >>>> after passing. None of the cosponsors sponsored on a different day
>> >>>> so there
>> >>>> cannot be any implied confusion on what the cosponsors passed.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Richard Longstreth
>> >>>> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
>> >>>> Libertarian National Committee
>> >>>> richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> >>>> 931.538.9300
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Sent from my Mobile Device
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Sun, Mar 15, 2020, 07:17 Richard Longstreth
>> >>>> <richard.longstreth at lp.org>
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> I cosponsored the proposed meeting, time, and subject. Because no
>> >>>>> changes
>> >>>>> were made to the original ask, and how email threads work, I
>> >>>>> thought
>> >>>>> everything was implied. If the members of this body would rather a
>> >>>> minimum
>> >>>>> of six separate email threads calling for this meeting, with debate
>> >>>>> occurring in each, I would be happy to comply. Just let me know how
>> >>>> formal
>> >>>>> we would like to be on a call that received 8 cosponsors, all not
>> >>>>> making
>> >>>>> changes to the original motion thus implicitly echoing the time,
>> >>>>> date,
>> >>>>> subject matter, etc.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I feel the policy manual requirements were met and defer to the
>> >>>>> chair to
>> >>>>> make a decision otherwise.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Richard Longstreth
>> >>>>> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA,
>> >>>>> WY)
>> >>>>> Libertarian National Committee
>> >>>>> richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> >>>>> 931.538.9300
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Sent from my Mobile Device
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Sun, Mar 15, 2020, 04:13 Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business <
>> >>>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> Besides the detail of the subject matter, Mr. Goldstein already
>> >>>>>> pointed
>> >>>>>> out
>> >>>>>> that our policy requires, "Each committee member calling for an
>> >>>> electronic
>> >>>>>> meeting must do so by emailing the entire committee and specifying
>> >>>>>> the
>> >>>>>> date
>> >>>>>> of the meeting, time of the meeting, meeting link including the
>> >>>>>> identity
>> >>>>>> of
>> >>>>>> the Electronic Meeting Provider, and the topic(s) to be
>> >>>>>> addressed."
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Yet the co-sponsors were obtained based on the topic, but not with
>> >>>>>> the
>> >>>>>> other details specified.  In the middle of the process the
>> >>>>>> original
>> >>>>>> requestor said the meeting would be set for 10 days from when the
>> >>>>>> final
>> >>>>>> sponsor was obtained, at 9-11 pm Eastern on that date.  The final
>> >>>> sponsor
>> >>>>>> was obtained on 03/14, but the call of the meeting is for 12 days
>> >>>>>> later
>> >>>>>> rather than the 10 days later indicated.  There was no way for Dr.
>> >>>>>> Lark
>> >>>> to
>> >>>>>> know to ask for an earlier time to accommodate his 03/26 schedule
>> >>>> conflict
>> >>>>>> before the meeting call was sent out, given that the information
>> >>>>>> given
>> >>>> to
>> >>>>>> him previously did not suggest 03/26 would be the resulting date.
>> >>>>>> Even
>> >>>> if
>> >>>>>> it had been set for 10 days rather than 12, the fact that the date
>> >>>>>> was
>> >>>> not
>> >>>>>> locked by the sponsors in advance but was instead a floating
>> >>>>>> relative
>> >>>> date
>> >>>>>> meant that one had to predict when the final sponsor would develop
>> >>>>>> to
>> >>>>>> check
>> >>>>>> their calendar for conflicts.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> This call-to-meeting changes the details after-the-fact.  The real
>> >>>> impact
>> >>>>>> of not following the protocol established by our policy is to
>> >>>>>> interfere
>> >>>>>> with one member's ability to fully participate.  This sort of
>> >>>>>> thing is
>> >>>>>> exactly why the policy says the cosponsors must agree to all those
>> >>>>>> details.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> -Alicia
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 1:54 AM Alicia Mattson
>> >>>>>> <alicia.mattson at lp.org>
>> >>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> I think the subject matter given in this meeting notice is
>> >>>>>>> improperly
>> >>>>>>> broad.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> The initial sponsor of the idea started an email with a subject
>> >>>>>>> line
>> >>>>>>> referring only to "convention" and asked for a meeting to discuss
>> >>>>>>> this
>> >>>>>>> matter.  Mr. Goldstein asked for clarification of what matter.
>> >>>>>>> The
>> >>>>>>> response was, "our contingency plans and status in light of the
>> >>>>>> pandemic."
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> That was the given understanding when other LNC members agreed to
>> >>>>>>> join
>> >>>>>> the
>> >>>>>>> call of the meeting.  Yet this meeting notice says the subject is
>> >>>> again
>> >>>>>>> just the very broad "convention" topic, rather than the narrowed
>> >>>> answer
>> >>>>>>> which was given in that email thread.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Some other topics that came up in that email thread go beyond the
>> >>>> scope
>> >>>>>> of
>> >>>>>>> contingency plans and into brainstorming potential bylaws
>> >>>>>>> amendments
>> >>>> on
>> >>>>>>> other topics not related to the stated purpose of the meeting.  I
>> >>>>>>> am
>> >>>>>> quite
>> >>>>>>> concerned that stating the topic as "convention" rather than "our
>> >>>>>>> contingency plans and status in light of the pandemic" could lead
>> >>>>>>> to
>> >>>>>> some
>> >>>>>>> trying to bring those subjects into the meeting, when that was
>> >>>>>>> not the
>> >>>>>>> purpose stated.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> I will object to topics other than "our contingency plans and
>> >>>>>>> status
>> >>>> in
>> >>>>>>> light of the pandemic" as being outside of the scope of the
>> >>>>>>> special
>> >>>>>> meeting.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> -Alicia
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 5:25 PM Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
>> >>>>>>> <
>> >>>>>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Here is the Zoom information.  This meeting was sponsored by
>> >>>>>>>> Hagan,
>> >>>>>>>> Harlos,
>> >>>>>>>> Longstreth, Merced, Nekhaila, Phillips, Smith, Van Horn
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Topic: LNC Special Meeting Re: Convention
>> >>>>>>>> Time: Mar 26, 2020 09:00 PM Eastern Time (US and Canada)
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Join Zoom Meeting
>> >>>>>>>> https://zoom.us/j/239017962
>> >>>>>>>>
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>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> *  In Liberty,*
>> >>>>>>>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>> >>>> Syndrome
>> >>>>>>>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> >>>>>>>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
>> >>>> anyone
>> >>>>>>>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
>> >>>>>>>> social
>> >>>>>> faux
>> >>>>>>>> pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me
>> >>>>>>>> know.
>> >>>>>> *
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>> --
>> >>>
>> >>> *In Liberty,*
>> >>>
>> >>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>> >>> Syndrome
>> >>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> >>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
>> >>> anyone
>> >>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
>> >>> faux
>> >>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>>
> --
>
> *In Liberty,*
>
> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>
> --

*In Liberty,*

* Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
(part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *