[Lnc-business] NOTICE OF SPECIAL E-MEETING MARCH 26 9PM-11PM EASTERN

Thu Mar 26 15:36:09 EDT 2020

Here's what was sent out earlier - I'm sure if it's changed or wrong 
someone will let us know

Topic: LNC Special Meeting Re: Convention
Time: Mar 26, 2020 09:00 PM Eastern Time (US and Canada)
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Meeting ID: 239 017 962
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Joe Bishop-Henchman
LNC Member (At-Large)
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On 2020-03-26 13:53, Steven Nekhaila via Lnc-business wrote:
> Hello Dan,
> 
> Is there a call in line for us to join?
> 
> In Liberty,
> 
> Steven Nekhaila
> Region 2 Representative
> Libertarian National Committee
> 
> Impotentes defendere libertatum non possunt
> "Those without power cannot defend freedom"
> 
> On 2020-03-25 02:52 PM, Daniel Fishman via Lnc-business wrote:
>> Confirming that this meeting is still on for tomorrow at 9pm Eastern. 
>> I am
>> planning on attending and asking Ms. Desisto and Mr Kraus to listen in 
>> as
>> well.
>> 
>> Dan
>> ---
>> Daniel Fishman
>> Executive Director
>> The Libertarian Party
>> Join Us <http://www.lp.org/join>
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 4:54 PM Sam Goldstein <sam.goldstein at lp.org> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I was in contact with Ken Moelmann last night about this.  Hopefully 
>>> he
>>> gets it resolved when he is freed from the chains of his paying job
>>> later today.
>>> 
>>> ---
>>> Sam Goldstein, At Large Member
>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>> 317-850-0726 Cell
>>> 
>>> On 2020-03-16 16:21, francis.wendt at lp.org wrote:
>>> > It appears the email server is glitching again. I got repeated emails
>>> > from
>>> > both John and Caryn Ann. Dan, is there a fix to this?
>>> >
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: Lnc-business <lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org> On Behalf Of Sam
>>> > Goldstein via Lnc-business
>>> > Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2020 3:52 PM
>>> > To: lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> > Cc: Sam Goldstein <sam.goldstein at lp.org>
>>> > Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] NOTICE OF SPECIAL E-MEETING MARCH 26
>>> > 9PM-11PM
>>> > EASTERN
>>> >
>>> > John,
>>> >
>>> > I know from your email that you are tired and irritable, but did you
>>> > have to
>>> > send the email 6 times?
>>> >
>>> > Stay Free!
>>> >
>>> > ---
>>> > Sam Goldstein, At Large Member
>>> > Libertarian National Committee
>>> > 317-850-0726 Cell
>>> >
>>> > On 2020-03-15 12:34, john.phillips--- via Lnc-business wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> I am tired. I am irritable.  I am frustrated. So I probably should not
>>> > speak at all. But since much of my frustration is with this crap here
>>> > you
>>> > go.
>>> >>
>>> >> The intention was clear to the co-sponsors, suck it up and deal with
>>> >> it.
>>> >>
>>> >> Stop with the damn rules lawyering obstructionist BS.  Are there times
>>> >> it
>>> > is appropriate, yes, but 90% of the time it is being thrown out there
>>> > to
>>> > forward some personal agenda, or just satisfy some deep OCD issues.
>>> > Give it
>>> > an effen rest.
>>> >>
>>> >> It is clear that enough members of the body desire a discussion.  It
>>> >> is
>>> > clear that enough members of the party would like this discussion to
>>> > happen.
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >> I very personally will suggest that if you spend half or more of your
>>> >> time
>>> > trying being petty over dotted i's and crossed t's that make no real
>>> > difference - allowing for the times it actually does - that perhaps
>>> > every
>>> > now and then step back and realize that it really doesnt mean a damn
>>> > thing
>>> > and you are just being a PITA for nothing.
>>> >>
>>> >> Yes I am aware of the hypocrisy of this after the crap I gave about
>>> > civility, but enough is damn well enough.
>>> >>
>>> >> John Phillips
>>> >> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative Cell
>>> >> 217-412-5973
>>> >>
>>> >> On Mar 15, 2020 9:27 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
>>> > <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> I had today's date wrong in my head as I am traveling lol over the
>>> >>> country and barely know what state I am in.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I will let the chair decide if it's correct.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> This to me is an example of using the rules to make things difficult
>>> >>> for no real purpose.  And I simply won't waste time on that.
>>> >>> Everyone knows the intent and everyone knows the date was to
>>> >>> accommodate the ten day notice period without being wayyyy out.  The
>>> >>> fact that one angel isn't dancing on the pin head is not relevant
>>> >>> IMHO.  It is apparent that a certain contingent doesn't want a
>>> >>> meeting and that is fine - but some of us do and I stand by my call.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> The chair can unilaterally reset at his choice and I would welcome
>>> >>> it.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 8:23 AM Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business <
>>> >>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> Alicia does have some points in the 12 days and time arena, but I
>>> >>>> believe the motion itself passed correctly. I believe the secretary
>>> >>>> may have set the meeting up incorrectly.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> In the original ask the time and subject were included. I'm happy to
>>> >>>> move this meeting two days sooner as we passed. There should be no
>>> >>>> other issues beyond that. The reason I'm not in arms over the date
>>> >>>> is because it was proposed and passed on the same day with the
>>> >>>> language of starting 10 days after passing. None of the cosponsors
>>> >>>> sponsored on a different day so there cannot be any implied
>>> >>>> confusion on
>>> > what the cosponsors passed.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Richard Longstreth
>>> >>>> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
>>> >>>> Libertarian National Committee richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> >>>> 931.538.9300
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Sent from my Mobile Device
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On Sun, Mar 15, 2020, 07:17 Richard Longstreth
>>> >>>> <richard.longstreth at lp.org>
>>> >>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> I cosponsored the proposed meeting, time, and subject. Because no
>>> >>>>> changes were made to the original ask, and how email threads work,
>>> >>>>> I thought everything was implied. If the members of this body would
>>> >>>>> rather a
>>> >>>> minimum
>>> >>>>> of six separate email threads calling for this meeting, with debate
>>> >>>>> occurring in each, I would be happy to comply. Just let me know how
>>> >>>> formal
>>> >>>>> we would like to be on a call that received 8 cosponsors, all not
>>> >>>>> making changes to the original motion thus implicitly echoing the
>>> >>>>> time, date, subject matter, etc.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> I feel the policy manual requirements were met and defer to the
>>> >>>>> chair to make a decision otherwise.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Richard Longstreth
>>> >>>>> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA,
>>> >>>>> WY) Libertarian National Committee richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> >>>>> 931.538.9300
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Sent from my Mobile Device
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> On Sun, Mar 15, 2020, 04:13 Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business <
>>> >>>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Besides the detail of the subject matter, Mr. Goldstein already
>>> >>>>>> pointed out that our policy requires, "Each committee member
>>> >>>>>> calling for an
>>> >>>> electronic
>>> >>>>>> meeting must do so by emailing the entire committee and specifying
>>> >>>>>> the date of the meeting, time of the meeting, meeting link
>>> >>>>>> including the identity of the Electronic Meeting Provider, and the
>>> >>>>>> topic(s) to be addressed."
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Yet the co-sponsors were obtained based on the topic, but not with
>>> >>>>>> the other details specified.  In the middle of the process the
>>> >>>>>> original requestor said the meeting would be set for 10 days from
>>> >>>>>> when the final sponsor was obtained, at 9-11 pm Eastern on that
>>> >>>>>> date.  The final
>>> >>>> sponsor
>>> >>>>>> was obtained on 03/14, but the call of the meeting is for 12 days
>>> >>>>>> later rather than the 10 days later indicated.  There was no way
>>> >>>>>> for Dr. Lark
>>> >>>> to
>>> >>>>>> know to ask for an earlier time to accommodate his 03/26 schedule
>>> >>>> conflict
>>> >>>>>> before the meeting call was sent out, given that the information
>>> >>>>>> given
>>> >>>> to
>>> >>>>>> him previously did not suggest 03/26 would be the resulting date.
>>> >>>>>> Even
>>> >>>> if
>>> >>>>>> it had been set for 10 days rather than 12, the fact that the date
>>> >>>>>> was
>>> >>>> not
>>> >>>>>> locked by the sponsors in advance but was instead a floating
>>> >>>>>> relative
>>> >>>> date
>>> >>>>>> meant that one had to predict when the final sponsor would develop
>>> >>>>>> to check their calendar for conflicts.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> This call-to-meeting changes the details after-the-fact.  The real
>>> >>>> impact
>>> >>>>>> of not following the protocol established by our policy is to
>>> >>>>>> interfere with one member's ability to fully participate.  This
>>> >>>>>> sort of thing is exactly why the policy says the cosponsors must
>>> >>>>>> agree to all those details.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> -Alicia
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 1:54 AM Alicia Mattson
>>> >>>>>> <alicia.mattson at lp.org>
>>> >>>>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> I think the subject matter given in this meeting notice is
>>> >>>>>>> improperly broad.
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> The initial sponsor of the idea started an email with a subject
>>> >>>>>>> line referring only to "convention" and asked for a meeting to
>>> >>>>>>> discuss this matter.  Mr. Goldstein asked for clarification of
>>> >>>>>>> what matter.  The response was, "our contingency plans and status
>>> >>>>>>> in light of the
>>> >>>>>> pandemic."
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> That was the given understanding when other LNC members agreed to
>>> >>>>>>> join
>>> >>>>>> the
>>> >>>>>>> call of the meeting.  Yet this meeting notice says the subject is
>>> >>>> again
>>> >>>>>>> just the very broad "convention" topic, rather than the narrowed
>>> >>>> answer
>>> >>>>>>> which was given in that email thread.
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> Some other topics that came up in that email thread go beyond the
>>> >>>> scope
>>> >>>>>> of
>>> >>>>>>> contingency plans and into brainstorming potential bylaws
>>> >>>>>>> amendments
>>> >>>> on
>>> >>>>>>> other topics not related to the stated purpose of the meeting.  I
>>> >>>>>>> am
>>> >>>>>> quite
>>> >>>>>>> concerned that stating the topic as "convention" rather than "our
>>> >>>>>>> contingency plans and status in light of the pandemic" could lead
>>> >>>>>>> to
>>> >>>>>> some
>>> >>>>>>> trying to bring those subjects into the meeting, when that was
>>> >>>>>>> not the purpose stated.
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> I will object to topics other than "our contingency plans and
>>> >>>>>>> status
>>> >>>> in
>>> >>>>>>> light of the pandemic" as being outside of the scope of the
>>> >>>>>>> special
>>> >>>>>> meeting.
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> -Alicia
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 5:25 PM Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
>>> >>>>>>> < lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> Here is the Zoom information.  This meeting was sponsored by
>>> >>>>>>>> Hagan, Harlos, Longstreth, Merced, Nekhaila, Phillips, Smith,
>>> >>>>>>>> Van Horn
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting.
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> Topic: LNC Special Meeting Re: Convention
>>> >>>>>>>> Time: Mar 26, 2020 09:00 PM Eastern Time (US and Canada)
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> Join Zoom Meeting
>>> >>>>>>>> https://zoom.us/j/239017962
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> Meeting ID: 239 017 962
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>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> *  In Liberty,*
>>> >>>>>>>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>>> >>>> Syndrome
>>> >>>>>>>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>>> >>>>>>>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
>>> >>>> anyone
>>> >>>>>>>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
>>> >>>>>>>> social
>>> >>>>>> faux
>>> >>>>>>>> pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me
>>> > know.
>>> >>>>>> *
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>> --
>>> >>>
>>> >>> *In Liberty,*
>>> >>>
>>> >>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>>> >>> Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect
>>> >>> inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic
>>> >>> arenas.  If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or
>>> >>> some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me
>>> >>> know. *
>>>