[Lnc-business] NOTICE OF SPECIAL E-MEETING MARCH 26 9PM-11PM EASTERN

Thu Mar 26 21:06:45 EDT 2020

Tried calling in.  Also full.

On 2020-03-26 20:02, William Redpath via Lnc-business wrote:
> I can't get into this meeting.  I am told that it is full.
> 
> On 2020-03-26 14:36, Joe Bishop-Henchman via Lnc-business wrote:
>> Here's what was sent out earlier - I'm sure if it's changed or wrong
>> someone will let us know
>> 
>> Topic: LNC Special Meeting Re: Convention
>> Time: Mar 26, 2020 09:00 PM Eastern Time (US and Canada)
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>> https://zoom.us/j/239017962
>> Meeting ID: 239 017 962
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>> 
>> JBH
>> 
>> ------------
>> Joe Bishop-Henchman
>> LNC Member (At-Large)
>> joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>> www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
>> 
>> On 2020-03-26 13:53, Steven Nekhaila via Lnc-business wrote:
>>> Hello Dan,
>>> 
>>> Is there a call in line for us to join?
>>> 
>>> In Liberty,
>>> 
>>> Steven Nekhaila
>>> Region 2 Representative
>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>> 
>>> Impotentes defendere libertatum non possunt
>>> "Those without power cannot defend freedom"
>>> 
>>> On 2020-03-25 02:52 PM, Daniel Fishman via Lnc-business wrote:
>>>> Confirming that this meeting is still on for tomorrow at 9pm 
>>>> Eastern. I am
>>>> planning on attending and asking Ms. Desisto and Mr Kraus to listen 
>>>> in as
>>>> well.
>>>> 
>>>> Dan
>>>> ---
>>>> Daniel Fishman
>>>> Executive Director
>>>> The Libertarian Party
>>>> Join Us <http://www.lp.org/join>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 4:54 PM Sam Goldstein <sam.goldstein at lp.org> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I was in contact with Ken Moelmann last night about this.  
>>>>> Hopefully he
>>>>> gets it resolved when he is freed from the chains of his paying job
>>>>> later today.
>>>>> 
>>>>> ---
>>>>> Sam Goldstein, At Large Member
>>>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>>>> 317-850-0726 Cell
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 2020-03-16 16:21, francis.wendt at lp.org wrote:
>>>>> > It appears the email server is glitching again. I got repeated emails
>>>>> > from
>>>>> > both John and Caryn Ann. Dan, is there a fix to this?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>>>> > From: Lnc-business <lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org> On Behalf Of Sam
>>>>> > Goldstein via Lnc-business
>>>>> > Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2020 3:52 PM
>>>>> > To: lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>> > Cc: Sam Goldstein <sam.goldstein at lp.org>
>>>>> > Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] NOTICE OF SPECIAL E-MEETING MARCH 26
>>>>> > 9PM-11PM
>>>>> > EASTERN
>>>>> >
>>>>> > John,
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I know from your email that you are tired and irritable, but did you
>>>>> > have to
>>>>> > send the email 6 times?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Stay Free!
>>>>> >
>>>>> > ---
>>>>> > Sam Goldstein, At Large Member
>>>>> > Libertarian National Committee
>>>>> > 317-850-0726 Cell
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On 2020-03-15 12:34, john.phillips--- via Lnc-business wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> I am tired. I am irritable.  I am frustrated. So I probably should not
>>>>> > speak at all. But since much of my frustration is with this crap here
>>>>> > you
>>>>> > go.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> The intention was clear to the co-sponsors, suck it up and deal with
>>>>> >> it.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Stop with the damn rules lawyering obstructionist BS.  Are there times
>>>>> >> it
>>>>> > is appropriate, yes, but 90% of the time it is being thrown out there
>>>>> > to
>>>>> > forward some personal agenda, or just satisfy some deep OCD issues.
>>>>> > Give it
>>>>> > an effen rest.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> It is clear that enough members of the body desire a discussion.  It
>>>>> >> is
>>>>> > clear that enough members of the party would like this discussion to
>>>>> > happen.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I very personally will suggest that if you spend half or more of your
>>>>> >> time
>>>>> > trying being petty over dotted i's and crossed t's that make no real
>>>>> > difference - allowing for the times it actually does - that perhaps
>>>>> > every
>>>>> > now and then step back and realize that it really doesnt mean a damn
>>>>> > thing
>>>>> > and you are just being a PITA for nothing.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Yes I am aware of the hypocrisy of this after the crap I gave about
>>>>> > civility, but enough is damn well enough.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> John Phillips
>>>>> >> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative Cell
>>>>> >> 217-412-5973
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On Mar 15, 2020 9:27 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
>>>>> > <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>> I had today's date wrong in my head as I am traveling lol over the
>>>>> >>> country and barely know what state I am in.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> I will let the chair decide if it's correct.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> This to me is an example of using the rules to make things difficult
>>>>> >>> for no real purpose.  And I simply won't waste time on that.
>>>>> >>> Everyone knows the intent and everyone knows the date was to
>>>>> >>> accommodate the ten day notice period without being wayyyy out.  The
>>>>> >>> fact that one angel isn't dancing on the pin head is not relevant
>>>>> >>> IMHO.  It is apparent that a certain contingent doesn't want a
>>>>> >>> meeting and that is fine - but some of us do and I stand by my call.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> The chair can unilaterally reset at his choice and I would welcome
>>>>> >>> it.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 8:23 AM Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business <
>>>>> >>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>> Alicia does have some points in the 12 days and time arena, but I
>>>>> >>>> believe the motion itself passed correctly. I believe the secretary
>>>>> >>>> may have set the meeting up incorrectly.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> In the original ask the time and subject were included. I'm happy to
>>>>> >>>> move this meeting two days sooner as we passed. There should be no
>>>>> >>>> other issues beyond that. The reason I'm not in arms over the date
>>>>> >>>> is because it was proposed and passed on the same day with the
>>>>> >>>> language of starting 10 days after passing. None of the cosponsors
>>>>> >>>> sponsored on a different day so there cannot be any implied
>>>>> >>>> confusion on
>>>>> > what the cosponsors passed.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> Richard Longstreth
>>>>> >>>> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
>>>>> >>>> Libertarian National Committee richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>>>> >>>> 931.538.9300
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> Sent from my Mobile Device
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> On Sun, Mar 15, 2020, 07:17 Richard Longstreth
>>>>> >>>> <richard.longstreth at lp.org>
>>>>> >>>> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>> I cosponsored the proposed meeting, time, and subject. Because no
>>>>> >>>>> changes were made to the original ask, and how email threads work,
>>>>> >>>>> I thought everything was implied. If the members of this body would
>>>>> >>>>> rather a
>>>>> >>>> minimum
>>>>> >>>>> of six separate email threads calling for this meeting, with debate
>>>>> >>>>> occurring in each, I would be happy to comply. Just let me know how
>>>>> >>>> formal
>>>>> >>>>> we would like to be on a call that received 8 cosponsors, all not
>>>>> >>>>> making changes to the original motion thus implicitly echoing the
>>>>> >>>>> time, date, subject matter, etc.
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> I feel the policy manual requirements were met and defer to the
>>>>> >>>>> chair to make a decision otherwise.
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Richard Longstreth
>>>>> >>>>> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA,
>>>>> >>>>> WY) Libertarian National Committee richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>>>> >>>>> 931.538.9300
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Sent from my Mobile Device
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Mar 15, 2020, 04:13 Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business <
>>>>> >>>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>> Besides the detail of the subject matter, Mr. Goldstein already
>>>>> >>>>>> pointed out that our policy requires, "Each committee member
>>>>> >>>>>> calling for an
>>>>> >>>> electronic
>>>>> >>>>>> meeting must do so by emailing the entire committee and specifying
>>>>> >>>>>> the date of the meeting, time of the meeting, meeting link
>>>>> >>>>>> including the identity of the Electronic Meeting Provider, and the
>>>>> >>>>>> topic(s) to be addressed."
>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>> Yet the co-sponsors were obtained based on the topic, but not with
>>>>> >>>>>> the other details specified.  In the middle of the process the
>>>>> >>>>>> original requestor said the meeting would be set for 10 days from
>>>>> >>>>>> when the final sponsor was obtained, at 9-11 pm Eastern on that
>>>>> >>>>>> date.  The final
>>>>> >>>> sponsor
>>>>> >>>>>> was obtained on 03/14, but the call of the meeting is for 12 days
>>>>> >>>>>> later rather than the 10 days later indicated.  There was no way
>>>>> >>>>>> for Dr. Lark
>>>>> >>>> to
>>>>> >>>>>> know to ask for an earlier time to accommodate his 03/26 schedule
>>>>> >>>> conflict
>>>>> >>>>>> before the meeting call was sent out, given that the information
>>>>> >>>>>> given
>>>>> >>>> to
>>>>> >>>>>> him previously did not suggest 03/26 would be the resulting date.
>>>>> >>>>>> Even
>>>>> >>>> if
>>>>> >>>>>> it had been set for 10 days rather than 12, the fact that the date
>>>>> >>>>>> was
>>>>> >>>> not
>>>>> >>>>>> locked by the sponsors in advance but was instead a floating
>>>>> >>>>>> relative
>>>>> >>>> date
>>>>> >>>>>> meant that one had to predict when the final sponsor would develop
>>>>> >>>>>> to check their calendar for conflicts.
>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>> This call-to-meeting changes the details after-the-fact.  The real
>>>>> >>>> impact
>>>>> >>>>>> of not following the protocol established by our policy is to
>>>>> >>>>>> interfere with one member's ability to fully participate.  This
>>>>> >>>>>> sort of thing is exactly why the policy says the cosponsors must
>>>>> >>>>>> agree to all those details.
>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>> -Alicia
>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 1:54 AM Alicia Mattson
>>>>> >>>>>> <alicia.mattson at lp.org>
>>>>> >>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>> I think the subject matter given in this meeting notice is
>>>>> >>>>>>> improperly broad.
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>> The initial sponsor of the idea started an email with a subject
>>>>> >>>>>>> line referring only to "convention" and asked for a meeting to
>>>>> >>>>>>> discuss this matter.  Mr. Goldstein asked for clarification of
>>>>> >>>>>>> what matter.  The response was, "our contingency plans and status
>>>>> >>>>>>> in light of the
>>>>> >>>>>> pandemic."
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>> That was the given understanding when other LNC members agreed to
>>>>> >>>>>>> join
>>>>> >>>>>> the
>>>>> >>>>>>> call of the meeting.  Yet this meeting notice says the subject is
>>>>> >>>> again
>>>>> >>>>>>> just the very broad "convention" topic, rather than the narrowed
>>>>> >>>> answer
>>>>> >>>>>>> which was given in that email thread.
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>> Some other topics that came up in that email thread go beyond the
>>>>> >>>> scope
>>>>> >>>>>> of
>>>>> >>>>>>> contingency plans and into brainstorming potential bylaws
>>>>> >>>>>>> amendments
>>>>> >>>> on
>>>>> >>>>>>> other topics not related to the stated purpose of the meeting.  I
>>>>> >>>>>>> am
>>>>> >>>>>> quite
>>>>> >>>>>>> concerned that stating the topic as "convention" rather than "our
>>>>> >>>>>>> contingency plans and status in light of the pandemic" could lead
>>>>> >>>>>>> to
>>>>> >>>>>> some
>>>>> >>>>>>> trying to bring those subjects into the meeting, when that was
>>>>> >>>>>>> not the purpose stated.
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>> I will object to topics other than "our contingency plans and
>>>>> >>>>>>> status
>>>>> >>>> in
>>>>> >>>>>>> light of the pandemic" as being outside of the scope of the
>>>>> >>>>>>> special
>>>>> >>>>>> meeting.
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>> -Alicia
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 5:25 PM Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
>>>>> >>>>>>> < lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>> Here is the Zoom information.  This meeting was sponsored by
>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hagan, Harlos, Longstreth, Merced, Nekhaila, Phillips, Smith,
>>>>> >>>>>>>> Van Horn
>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>> Topic: LNC Special Meeting Re: Convention
>>>>> >>>>>>>> Time: Mar 26, 2020 09:00 PM Eastern Time (US and Canada)
>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>> Join Zoom Meeting
>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://zoom.us/j/239017962
>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>> Meeting ID: 239 017 962
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>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>> *  In Liberty,*
>>>>> >>>>>>>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>>>>> >>>> Syndrome
>>>>> >>>>>>>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>>>>> >>>>>>>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
>>>>> >>>> anyone
>>>>> >>>>>>>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
>>>>> >>>>>>>> social
>>>>> >>>>>> faux
>>>>> >>>>>>>> pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me
>>>>> > know.
>>>>> >>>>>> *
>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>> --
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>>>>> >>> Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect
>>>>> >>> inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic
>>>>> >>> arenas.  If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or
>>>>> >>> some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me
>>>>> >>> know. *
>>>>> 