[Lnc-business] NOTICE OF SPECIAL E-MEETING MARCH 26 9PM-11PM EASTERN

[Elizabeth Van Horn]

Alcia, don't see you in the meeting.  Login here

https://zoom.us/j/939059264

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Elizabeth Van Horn
LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)
Chair-Libertarian Party of Madison Co, Indiana
Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist Caucus
http://www.lpcaucus.org/

On 2020-03-26 21:22, Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business wrote:
> Bill, we'll shortly get an email with a new link now that the account 
> has
> been upgraded to allow more participants.
> 
> -Alicia
> 
> On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 6:08 PM joe.bishop-henchman--- via Lnc-business 
> <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> 
>> They're increasing the cap
>> 
>> On Mar 26, 2020 9:06 PM, William Redpath via Lnc-business <
>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Tried calling in.  Also full.
>> 
>> On 2020-03-26 20:02, William Redpath via Lnc-business wrote:
>> > I can't get into this meeting.  I am told that it is full.
>> >
>> > On 2020-03-26 14:36, Joe Bishop-Henchman via Lnc-business wrote:
>> >> Here's what was sent out earlier - I'm sure if it's changed or wrong
>> >> someone will let us know
>> >>
>> >> Topic: LNC Special Meeting Re: Convention
>> >> Time: Mar 26, 2020 09:00 PM Eastern Time (US and Canada)
>> >> Join Zoom Meeting
>> >> https://zoom.us/j/239017962
>> >> Meeting ID: 239 017 962
>> >> One tap mobile
>> >> +13126266799,,239017962# US (Chicago)
>> >> +16465588656,,239017962# US (New York)
>> >> Dial by your location
>> >> +1 312 626 6799 US (Chicago)
>> >> +1 646 558 8656 US (New York)
>> >> +1 346 248 7799 US (Houston)
>> >> +1 669 900 9128 US (San Jose)
>> >> +1 253 215 8782 US
>> >> +1 301 715 8592 US
>> >> Meeting ID: 239 017 962
>> >> Find your local number: https://zoom.us/u/adyM24yilG
>> >>
>> >> JBH
>> >>
>> >> ------------
>> >> Joe Bishop-Henchman
>> >> LNC Member (At-Large)
>> >> joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>> >> www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
>> >>
>> >> On 2020-03-26 13:53, Steven Nekhaila via Lnc-business wrote:
>> >>> Hello Dan,
>> >>>
>> >>> Is there a call in line for us to join?
>> >>>
>> >>> In Liberty,
>> >>>
>> >>> Steven Nekhaila
>> >>> Region 2 Representative
>> >>> Libertarian National Committee
>> >>>
>> >>> Impotentes defendere libertatum non possunt
>> >>> "Those without power cannot defend freedom"
>> >>>
>> >>> On 2020-03-25 02:52 PM, Daniel Fishman via Lnc-business wrote:
>> >>>> Confirming that this meeting is still on for tomorrow at 9pm
>> >>>> Eastern. I am
>> >>>> planning on attending and asking Ms. Desisto and Mr Kraus to listen
>> >>>> in as
>> >>>> well.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Dan
>> >>>> ---
>> >>>> Daniel Fishman
>> >>>> Executive Director
>> >>>> The Libertarian Party
>> >>>> Join Us <http://www.lp.org/join>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 4:54 PM Sam Goldstein <sam.goldstein at lp.org>
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> I was in contact with Ken Moelmann last night about this.
>> >>>>> Hopefully he
>> >>>>> gets it resolved when he is freed from the chains of his paying job
>> >>>>> later today.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> ---
>> >>>>> Sam Goldstein, At Large Member
>> >>>>> Libertarian National Committee
>> >>>>> 317-850-0726 Cell
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On 2020-03-16 16:21, francis.wendt at lp.org wrote:
>> >>>>> > It appears the email server is glitching again. I got repeated
>> emails
>> >>>>> > from
>> >>>>> > both John and Caryn Ann. Dan, is there a fix to this?
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> > -----Original Message-----
>> >>>>> > From: Lnc-business <lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org> On Behalf Of
>> Sam
>> >>>>> > Goldstein via Lnc-business
>> >>>>> > Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2020 3:52 PM
>> >>>>> > To: lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> >>>>> > Cc: Sam Goldstein <sam.goldstein at lp.org>
>> >>>>> > Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] NOTICE OF SPECIAL E-MEETING MARCH 26
>> >>>>> > 9PM-11PM
>> >>>>> > EASTERN
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> > John,
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> > I know from your email that you are tired and irritable, but did
>> you
>> >>>>> > have to
>> >>>>> > send the email 6 times?
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> > Stay Free!
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> > ---
>> >>>>> > Sam Goldstein, At Large Member
>> >>>>> > Libertarian National Committee
>> >>>>> > 317-850-0726 Cell
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> > On 2020-03-15 12:34, john.phillips--- via Lnc-business wrote:
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> >> I am tired. I am irritable.  I am frustrated. So I probably
>> should not
>> >>>>> > speak at all. But since much of my frustration is with this crap
>> here
>> >>>>> > you
>> >>>>> > go.
>> >>>>> >>
>> >>>>> >> The intention was clear to the co-sponsors, suck it up and deal
>> with
>> >>>>> >> it.
>> >>>>> >>
>> >>>>> >> Stop with the damn rules lawyering obstructionist BS.  Are there
>> times
>> >>>>> >> it
>> >>>>> > is appropriate, yes, but 90% of the time it is being thrown out
>> there
>> >>>>> > to
>> >>>>> > forward some personal agenda, or just satisfy some deep OCD
>> issues.
>> >>>>> > Give it
>> >>>>> > an effen rest.
>> >>>>> >>
>> >>>>> >> It is clear that enough members of the body desire a discussion.
>> It
>> >>>>> >> is
>> >>>>> > clear that enough members of the party would like this discussion
>> to
>> >>>>> > happen.
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> >>
>> >>>>> >> I very personally will suggest that if you spend half or more of
>> your
>> >>>>> >> time
>> >>>>> > trying being petty over dotted i's and crossed t's that make no
>> real
>> >>>>> > difference - allowing for the times it actually does - that
>> perhaps
>> >>>>> > every
>> >>>>> > now and then step back and realize that it really doesnt mean a
>> damn
>> >>>>> > thing
>> >>>>> > and you are just being a PITA for nothing.
>> >>>>> >>
>> >>>>> >> Yes I am aware of the hypocrisy of this after the crap I gave
>> about
>> >>>>> > civility, but enough is damn well enough.
>> >>>>> >>
>> >>>>> >> John Phillips
>> >>>>> >> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative Cell
>> >>>>> >> 217-412-5973
>> >>>>> >>
>> >>>>> >> On Mar 15, 2020 9:27 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
>> >>>>> > <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >>>>> >>
>> >>>>> >>> I had today's date wrong in my head as I am traveling lol over
>> the
>> >>>>> >>> country and barely know what state I am in.
>> >>>>> >>>
>> >>>>> >>> I will let the chair decide if it's correct.
>> >>>>> >>>
>> >>>>> >>> This to me is an example of using the rules to make things
>> difficult
>> >>>>> >>> for no real purpose.  And I simply won't waste time on that.
>> >>>>> >>> Everyone knows the intent and everyone knows the date was to
>> >>>>> >>> accommodate the ten day notice period without being wayyyy out.
>> The
>> >>>>> >>> fact that one angel isn't dancing on the pin head is not
>> relevant
>> >>>>> >>> IMHO.  It is apparent that a certain contingent doesn't want a
>> >>>>> >>> meeting and that is fine - but some of us do and I stand by my
>> call.
>> >>>>> >>>
>> >>>>> >>> The chair can unilaterally reset at his choice and I would
>> welcome
>> >>>>> >>> it.
>> >>>>> >>>
>> >>>>> >>> On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 8:23 AM Richard Longstreth via
>> Lnc-business <
>> >>>>> >>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >>>>> >>>
>> >>>>> >>>> Alicia does have some points in the 12 days and time arena, but
>> I
>> >>>>> >>>> believe the motion itself passed correctly. I believe the
>> secretary
>> >>>>> >>>> may have set the meeting up incorrectly.
>> >>>>> >>>>
>> >>>>> >>>> In the original ask the time and subject were included. I'm
>> happy to
>> >>>>> >>>> move this meeting two days sooner as we passed. There should be
>> no
>> >>>>> >>>> other issues beyond that. The reason I'm not in arms over the
>> date
>> >>>>> >>>> is because it was proposed and passed on the same day with the
>> >>>>> >>>> language of starting 10 days after passing. None of the
>> cosponsors
>> >>>>> >>>> sponsored on a different day so there cannot be any implied
>> >>>>> >>>> confusion on
>> >>>>> > what the cosponsors passed.
>> >>>>> >>>>
>> >>>>> >>>> Richard Longstreth
>> >>>>> >>>> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT,
>> WA, WY)
>> >>>>> >>>> Libertarian National Committee richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> >>>>> >>>> 931.538.9300
>> >>>>> >>>>
>> >>>>> >>>> Sent from my Mobile Device
>> >>>>> >>>>
>> >>>>> >>>> On Sun, Mar 15, 2020, 07:17 Richard Longstreth
>> >>>>> >>>> <richard.longstreth at lp.org>
>> >>>>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>> >>>>
>> >>>>> >>>>> I cosponsored the proposed meeting, time, and subject. Because
>> no
>> >>>>> >>>>> changes were made to the original ask, and how email threads
>> work,
>> >>>>> >>>>> I thought everything was implied. If the members of this body
>> would
>> >>>>> >>>>> rather a
>> >>>>> >>>> minimum
>> >>>>> >>>>> of six separate email threads calling for this meeting, with
>> debate
>> >>>>> >>>>> occurring in each, I would be happy to comply. Just let me
>> know how
>> >>>>> >>>> formal
>> >>>>> >>>>> we would like to be on a call that received 8 cosponsors, all
>> not
>> >>>>> >>>>> making changes to the original motion thus implicitly echoing
>> the
>> >>>>> >>>>> time, date, subject matter, etc.
>> >>>>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> >>>>> I feel the policy manual requirements were met and defer to
>> the
>> >>>>> >>>>> chair to make a decision otherwise.
>> >>>>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> >>>>> Richard Longstreth
>> >>>>> >>>>> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT,
>> WA,
>> >>>>> >>>>> WY) Libertarian National Committee richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> >>>>> >>>>> 931.538.9300
>> >>>>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my Mobile Device
>> >>>>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Mar 15, 2020, 04:13 Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business <
>> >>>>> >>>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >>>>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> >>>>>> Besides the detail of the subject matter, Mr. Goldstein
>> already
>> >>>>> >>>>>> pointed out that our policy requires, "Each committee member
>> >>>>> >>>>>> calling for an
>> >>>>> >>>> electronic
>> >>>>> >>>>>> meeting must do so by emailing the entire committee and
>> specifying
>> >>>>> >>>>>> the date of the meeting, time of the meeting, meeting link
>> >>>>> >>>>>> including the identity of the Electronic Meeting Provider,
>> and the
>> >>>>> >>>>>> topic(s) to be addressed."
>> >>>>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>> >>>>>> Yet the co-sponsors were obtained based on the topic, but not
>> with
>> >>>>> >>>>>> the other details specified.  In the middle of the process
>> the
>> >>>>> >>>>>> original requestor said the meeting would be set for 10 days
>> from
>> >>>>> >>>>>> when the final sponsor was obtained, at 9-11 pm Eastern on
>> that
>> >>>>> >>>>>> date.  The final
>> >>>>> >>>> sponsor
>> >>>>> >>>>>> was obtained on 03/14, but the call of the meeting is for 12
>> days
>> >>>>> >>>>>> later rather than the 10 days later indicated.  There was no
>> way
>> >>>>> >>>>>> for Dr. Lark
>> >>>>> >>>> to
>> >>>>> >>>>>> know to ask for an earlier time to accommodate his 03/26
>> schedule
>> >>>>> >>>> conflict
>> >>>>> >>>>>> before the meeting call was sent out, given that the
>> information
>> >>>>> >>>>>> given
>> >>>>> >>>> to
>> >>>>> >>>>>> him previously did not suggest 03/26 would be the resulting
>> date.
>> >>>>> >>>>>> Even
>> >>>>> >>>> if
>> >>>>> >>>>>> it had been set for 10 days rather than 12, the fact that the
>> date
>> >>>>> >>>>>> was
>> >>>>> >>>> not
>> >>>>> >>>>>> locked by the sponsors in advance but was instead a floating
>> >>>>> >>>>>> relative
>> >>>>> >>>> date
>> >>>>> >>>>>> meant that one had to predict when the final sponsor would
>> develop
>> >>>>> >>>>>> to check their calendar for conflicts.
>> >>>>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>> >>>>>> This call-to-meeting changes the details after-the-fact.  The
>> real
>> >>>>> >>>> impact
>> >>>>> >>>>>> of not following the protocol established by our policy is to
>> >>>>> >>>>>> interfere with one member's ability to fully participate.
>> This
>> >>>>> >>>>>> sort of thing is exactly why the policy says the cosponsors
>> must
>> >>>>> >>>>>> agree to all those details.
>> >>>>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>> >>>>>> -Alicia
>> >>>>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 1:54 AM Alicia Mattson
>> >>>>> >>>>>> <alicia.mattson at lp.org>
>> >>>>> >>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>> >>>>>>> I think the subject matter given in this meeting notice is
>> >>>>> >>>>>>> improperly broad.
>> >>>>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>> >>>>>>> The initial sponsor of the idea started an email with a
>> subject
>> >>>>> >>>>>>> line referring only to "convention" and asked for a meeting
>> to
>> >>>>> >>>>>>> discuss this matter.  Mr. Goldstein asked for clarification
>> of
>> >>>>> >>>>>>> what matter.  The response was, "our contingency plans and
>> status
>> >>>>> >>>>>>> in light of the
>> >>>>> >>>>>> pandemic."
>> >>>>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>> >>>>>>> That was the given understanding when other LNC members
>> agreed to
>> >>>>> >>>>>>> join
>> >>>>> >>>>>> the
>> >>>>> >>>>>>> call of the meeting.  Yet this meeting notice says the
>> subject is
>> >>>>> >>>> again
>> >>>>> >>>>>>> just the very broad "convention" topic, rather than the
>> narrowed
>> >>>>> >>>> answer
>> >>>>> >>>>>>> which was given in that email thread.
>> >>>>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>> >>>>>>> Some other topics that came up in that email thread go
>> beyond the
>> >>>>> >>>> scope
>> >>>>> >>>>>> of
>> >>>>> >>>>>>> contingency plans and into brainstorming potential bylaws
>> >>>>> >>>>>>> amendments
>> >>>>> >>>> on
>> >>>>> >>>>>>> other topics not related to the stated purpose of the
>> meeting.  I
>> >>>>> >>>>>>> am
>> >>>>> >>>>>> quite
>> >>>>> >>>>>>> concerned that stating the topic as "convention" rather than
>> "our
>> >>>>> >>>>>>> contingency plans and status in light of the pandemic" could
>> lead
>> >>>>> >>>>>>> to
>> >>>>> >>>>>> some
>> >>>>> >>>>>>> trying to bring those subjects into the meeting, when that
>> was
>> >>>>> >>>>>>> not the purpose stated.
>> >>>>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>> >>>>>>> I will object to topics other than "our contingency plans
>> and
>> >>>>> >>>>>>> status
>> >>>>> >>>> in
>> >>>>> >>>>>>> light of the pandemic" as being outside of the scope of the
>> >>>>> >>>>>>> special
>> >>>>> >>>>>> meeting.
>> >>>>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>> >>>>>>> -Alicia
>> >>>>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 5:25 PM Caryn Ann Harlos via
>> Lnc-business
>> >>>>> >>>>>>> < lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >>>>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> Here is the Zoom information.  This meeting was sponsored
>> by
>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> Hagan, Harlos, Longstreth, Merced, Nekhaila, Phillips,
>> Smith,
>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> Van Horn
>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom
>> meeting.
>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> Topic: LNC Special Meeting Re: Convention
>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> Time: Mar 26, 2020 09:00 PM Eastern Time (US and Canada)
>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> Join Zoom Meeting
>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> https://zoom.us/j/239017962
>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> Meeting ID: 239 017 962
>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> One tap mobile
>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> +13126266799,,239017962# US (Chicago)
>> 16465588656,,239017962# US
>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> +(New York)
>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> Dial by your location
>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>         +1 312 626 6799 US (Chicago)
>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>         +1 646 558 8656 US (New York)
>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>         +1 346 248 7799 US (Houston)
>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>         +1 669 900 9128 US (San Jose)
>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>         +1 253 215 8782 US
>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>         +1 301 715 8592 US
>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> Meeting ID: 239 017 962
>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> Find your local number: https://zoom.us/u/adyM24yilG
>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> *  In Liberty,*
>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as
>> Asperger's
>> >>>>> >>>> Syndrome
>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect
>> inter-personal
>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> communication skills in both personal and electronic
>> arenas.  If
>> >>>>> >>>> anyone
>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some
>> other
>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> social
>> >>>>> >>>>>> faux
>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and
>> let me
>> >>>>> > know.
>> >>>>> >>>>>> *
>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> >>>>
>> >>>>> >>> --
>> >>>>> >>>
>> >>>>> >>> *In Liberty,*
>> >>>>> >>>
>> >>>>> >>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>> >>>>> >>> Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect
>> >>>>> >>> inter-personal communication skills in both personal and
>> electronic
>> >>>>> >>> arenas.  If anyone found anything offensive or overly
>> off-putting (or
>> >>>>> >>> some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let
>> me
>> >>>>> >>> know. *
>> >>>>>
>> 
>> 
>>