[Lnc-business] Convention: seeking co-sponsors

Sat Mar 28 15:11:50 EDT 2020

Mr. Goldstein, I agree.  I withdraw my sponsorship for the original
language and would sponsor yours.

*In Liberty,*

* Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
(part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *

On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 1:02 PM Sam Goldstein <sam.goldstein at lp.org> wrote:

> A meeting on April 20th would be meaningless unless the Austin distancing
> rules are either extended or there has been an announcement that they will
> expire as scheduled on May 1st.  The meeting is being called to "decide
> whether and how to proceed with our 2020 National Convention" and such a
> decision cannot be made on that date for the reason stated above and many
> others.  If you want to have a meeting to hear what progress the COC is
> making on various contingencies then I have no problem, but the LNC making
> a decision on how to proceed?  I don't think so.
> ---
> Sam Goldstein, At Large Member
> Libertarian National Committee
> 317-850-0726 Cell
>
>
> On 2020-03-28 13:01, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>
> Mr. Goldstein, I think the LNC would be neglecting its fiduciary duty not
> to keep on top of things without being draconian or overbearing.  A meeting
> is pretty mild.
>
> *In Liberty,*
> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 10:46 AM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
> wrote:
>
>> So it looks like there are three sponsors for a meeting.  We need six for
>> that particular motion.  I will proactively set it up  now so that I can
>> post potential log-in information so that there is no technical defect with
>> the motion.  Which also exposes a silly part of our Policy Manual - noting
>> the method, date, and time should be sufficient.  Having to give log in
>> information before we even know if there are enough sponsors is not
>> productive IMHO.
>>
>> -Caryn Ann
>>
>> *In Liberty,*
>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 10:24 AM Caryn Ann Harlos <
>> caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I am seeing the first motion as a bit too strong of an approach over the
>>> CoC.  It makes me uncomfortable TBH.  The second I would support without
>>> issue.
>>>
>>> *In Liberty,*
>>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
>>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
>>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
>>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 7:51 AM Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business <
>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> John,
>>>>
>>>> The COC has considered and has done some work on most of those options.
>>>> The motion calls for "practical plan" for all the options to be
>>>> submitted by mid-April, a point in time when we will not even know if
>>>> the Austin distancing rules will be extended, modified or will expire.
>>>> There is no sense in developing detailed plans for multiple scenarios in
>>>> a situation which can change drastically overnight.
>>>>
>>>> ---
>>>> Sam Goldstein, At Large Member
>>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>>> 317-850-0726 Cell
>>>>
>>>> On 2020-03-28 09:09, john.phillips at lp.org wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Sam,
>>>> >
>>>> > I understand your point, and am not meaning this as an attack on you
>>>> or anyone, but we were given the impression (not by you) that much of that
>>>> work had already been done, which is one of the reasons I was willing to
>>>> agree to it.  Was that not accurate?
>>>> >
>>>> > If it is not accurate, then we have a bigger problem. As if there is
>>>> not time to get that done between now and the 20th or 27th (at least in a
>>>> short skeleton form which is all that could be asked for) when we said we
>>>> would make a decision, then 1) an informed decision becomes problematic and
>>>> 2) it will be harder to have a fully fleshed out plan in a couple weeks
>>>> after that.
>>>> >
>>>> > As such I suggest a modification. Perhaps divide and conquer.  Bylaws
>>>> committee to delve in and verify what can be done, and what changes would
>>>> need to be made if we do have to have the small group in Austin.  IT to
>>>> investigate online alternatives, etc.
>>>> >
>>>> > I don't believe any of us want to dump a pile of work on the CoC, but
>>>> at least the preliminary work absolutely needs to be done, perhaps by all
>>>> of us instead.  I for one will be happy to jump in and help where needed.
>>>> >
>>>> > I view this as important enough I would even agree to redirect some
>>>> funds in the budget to help get it addressed, and if we approved such
>>>> action pledge a significant portion of my "stimulus" check to it.
>>>> >
>>>> > John Phillips
>>>> > Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>>>> > Cell 217-412-5973
>>>> >
>>>> > On Mar 28, 2020 7:37 AM, "sam.goldstein--- via Lnc-business" <
>>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > As a member of the COC I would oppose the first motion and would
>>>> resign from the Committee if it passes.  There is no way all tha twork can
>>>> be done in a few weeks.
>>>> >
>>>> > Sam Goldstein
>>>> >
>>>> > On Mar 28, 2020 1:44 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
>>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > Has the convention committee been consulted on this?  While I think
>>>> the LNC
>>>> > needs to be more proactive (thus my insistence on the last meeting),
>>>> we
>>>> > need to respect the collective work and wisdom already done by the
>>>> CoC.
>>>> >
>>>> > Too many cooks can spoil the stew.
>>>> >
>>>> > *In Liberty,*
>>>> >
>>>> > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>>>> Syndrome
>>>> > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>>>> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
>>>> anyone
>>>> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
>>>> faux
>>>> > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>>>> >
>>>> > On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 10:01 PM john.phillips--- via Lnc-business <
>>>> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> I would like to see a timeline for those plans to be presented to
>>>> us.
>>>> >> Preferably at least 5 days prior to the meeting.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Also wasn't 3 weeks discussed? That would be the 27th - not an
>>>> objection,
>>>> >> just an observation. I am ok with 4.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> John Phillips
>>>> >> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>>>> >> Cell 217-412-5973
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Mar 27, 2020 10:39 PM, Joe Bishop-Henchman via Lnc-business <
>>>> >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Colleagues,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I have two proposals I am seeking co-sponsors for. I believe they
>>>> would
>>>> >> implement and set timelines on the discussion from our recent
>>>> e-meeting
>>>> >> discussing the convention.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Proposal 1:
>>>> >> The Libertarian National Committee directs the Chair and the
>>>> Convention
>>>> >> Oversight Committee to prepare by mid-April practical plans to
>>>> implement
>>>> >> the following contingent possibilities for our 2020 National
>>>> Convention:
>>>> >> A. Everyone packed in Austin
>>>> >> B. Everyone 6 feet apart in Austin, either hotel or convention
>>>> center
>>>> >> C. In-person for who can be there and special accommodations for
>>>> those
>>>> >> who can't travel
>>>> >> D. Move to an outdoor space
>>>> >> E. Rump convention to approve rules allowing online/other convention
>>>> >> F. State remote satellite locations
>>>> >> G. 1046 person online convention
>>>> >> H. Relocate
>>>> >> I. Reschedule
>>>> >> J. No convention. LNC picks nominee, through some process to ratify
>>>> an
>>>> >> electronic selection by delegates
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Proposal 2:
>>>> >> The Libertarian National Committee hold an electronic meeting on
>>>> Monday,
>>>> >> April 20, 2020 at 9:00 PM Eastern to decide whether and how to
>>>> proceed
>>>> >> with our 2020 National Convention.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> JBH
>>>> >>
>>>> >> ------------
>>>> >> Joe Bishop-Henchman
>>>> >> LNC Member (At-Large)
>>>> >> joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>>>> >> www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>
>>>
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