[Lnc-business] Convention: seeking co-sponsors
Sam Goldstein
sam.goldstein at lp.org
Sat Mar 28 16:02:54 EDT 2020
John,
The Convention Oversight Committee plans and runs the convention. We
report progress to the LNC on a regular basis. If you want the LNC to
take over the functions of the COC then just propose a motion to
dissolve the committee.
Otherwise most of what you suggest below we are already doing and we
have been working with the Credentials Committee, the Bylaws Committee,
the Convention Voting Process Committee and others in great detail. We
have been doing this for two years and have hundreds of hours of work
invested and know what we are doing.
Live Free,
---
Sam Goldstein, At Large Member
Libertarian National Committee
317-850-0726 Cell
On 2020-03-28 15:40, john.phillips at lp.org wrote:
> Sam,
> Your concerns are noted and valid. However, I do not think this is a binary choice, your thoughts can be addressed while still moving forward by changing the motion.
>
> Everyone,
>
> For instance, your very good point about May 1st is easily addressed by changing the date to after that day.
>
> We could also instead of directing the CoC to something start with forming a working group to examine bylaws concerns and practicality in order to narrow the list.
>
> We could change the direction of some staff activities to look into potential equipment issues. Or redirect some funds to hire a contractor for that (or other related) purpose. We have a ton of very talented members unemployed right now.
>
> If we follow anything like that we could look at 2 meetings, 1 to discuss the findings and narrow the list, then a follow up after the 1st to make a decision.
>
> Not doing anything at all leaves us at serious risk of more major problems later. Being pro-active and seeking solutions is far more productive than scrambling at the last minute.
>
> Perhaps Joe would like to reword along those lines for something more acceptable? Objections are valid, but let's work on adding alternatives to them in order to serve our members the best way we can. Just waiting is not doing that.
>
> John Phillips
> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
> Cell 217-412-5973
>
> On Mar 28, 2020 2:02 PM, Sam Goldstein <sam.goldstein at lp.org> wrote:
>
> A meeting on April 20th would be meaningless unless the Austin distancing rules are either extended or there has been an announcement that they will expire as scheduled on May 1st. The meeting is being called to "decide whether and how to proceed with our 2020 National Convention" and such a decision cannot be made on that date for the reason stated above and many others. If you want to have a meeting to hear what progress the COC is making on various contingencies then I have no problem, but the LNC making a decision on how to proceed? I don't think so.
>
> ---
> Sam Goldstein, At Large Member
> Libertarian National Committee
> 317-850-0726 Cell
>
> On 2020-03-28 13:01, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
> Mr. Goldstein, I think the LNC would be neglecting its fiduciary duty not to keep on top of things without being draconian or overbearing. A meeting is pretty mild.
>
> IN LIBERTY,
>
> __
> _ PERSONAL NOTE: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. _
>
> On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 10:46 AM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
> So it looks like there are three sponsors for a meeting. We need six for that particular motion. I will proactively set it up now so that I can post potential log-in information so that there is no technical defect with the motion. Which also exposes a silly part of our Policy Manual - noting the method, date, and time should be sufficient. Having to give log in information before we even know if there are enough sponsors is not productive IMHO.
>
> -Caryn Ann
>
> IN LIBERTY,
>
> __
> _ PERSONAL NOTE: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. _
>
> On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 10:24 AM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
> I am seeing the first motion as a bit too strong of an approach over the CoC. It makes me uncomfortable TBH. The second I would support without issue.
>
> IN LIBERTY,
>
> __
> _ PERSONAL NOTE: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. _
>
> On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 7:51 AM Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote: John,
>
> The COC has considered and has done some work on most of those options.
> The motion calls for "practical plan" for all the options to be
> submitted by mid-April, a point in time when we will not even know if
> the Austin distancing rules will be extended, modified or will expire.
> There is no sense in developing detailed plans for multiple scenarios in
> a situation which can change drastically overnight.
>
> ---
> Sam Goldstein, At Large Member
> Libertarian National Committee
> 317-850-0726 Cell
>
> On 2020-03-28 09:09, john.phillips at lp.org wrote:
>
>> Sam,
>>
>> I understand your point, and am not meaning this as an attack on you or anyone, but we were given the impression (not by you) that much of that work had already been done, which is one of the reasons I was willing to agree to it. Was that not accurate?
>>
>> If it is not accurate, then we have a bigger problem. As if there is not time to get that done between now and the 20th or 27th (at least in a short skeleton form which is all that could be asked for) when we said we would make a decision, then 1) an informed decision becomes problematic and 2) it will be harder to have a fully fleshed out plan in a couple weeks after that.
>>
>> As such I suggest a modification. Perhaps divide and conquer. Bylaws committee to delve in and verify what can be done, and what changes would need to be made if we do have to have the small group in Austin. IT to investigate online alternatives, etc.
>>
>> I don't believe any of us want to dump a pile of work on the CoC, but at least the preliminary work absolutely needs to be done, perhaps by all of us instead. I for one will be happy to jump in and help where needed.
>>
>> I view this as important enough I would even agree to redirect some funds in the budget to help get it addressed, and if we approved such action pledge a significant portion of my "stimulus" check to it.
>>
>> John Phillips
>> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>> Cell 217-412-5973
>>
>> On Mar 28, 2020 7:37 AM, "sam.goldstein--- via Lnc-business" <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>
>> As a member of the COC I would oppose the first motion and would resign from the Committee if it passes. There is no way all tha twork can be done in a few weeks.
>>
>> Sam Goldstein
>>
>> On Mar 28, 2020 1:44 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>
>> Has the convention committee been consulted on this? While I think the LNC
>> needs to be more proactive (thus my insistence on the last meeting), we
>> need to respect the collective work and wisdom already done by the CoC.
>>
>> Too many cooks can spoil the stew.
>>
>> *In Liberty,*
>>
>> * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
>> (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone
>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 10:01 PM john.phillips--- via Lnc-business <
>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I would like to see a timeline for those plans to be presented to us.
>>> Preferably at least 5 days prior to the meeting.
>>>
>>> Also wasn't 3 weeks discussed? That would be the 27th - not an objection,
>>> just an observation. I am ok with 4.
>>>
>>> John Phillips
>>> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>>> Cell 217-412-5973
>>>
>>> On Mar 27, 2020 10:39 PM, Joe Bishop-Henchman via Lnc-business <
>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Colleagues,
>>>
>>> I have two proposals I am seeking co-sponsors for. I believe they would
>>> implement and set timelines on the discussion from our recent e-meeting
>>> discussing the convention.
>>>
>>> Proposal 1:
>>> The Libertarian National Committee directs the Chair and the Convention
>>> Oversight Committee to prepare by mid-April practical plans to implement
>>> the following contingent possibilities for our 2020 National Convention:
>>> A. Everyone packed in Austin
>>> B. Everyone 6 feet apart in Austin, either hotel or convention center
>>> C. In-person for who can be there and special accommodations for those
>>> who can't travel
>>> D. Move to an outdoor space
>>> E. Rump convention to approve rules allowing online/other convention
>>> F. State remote satellite locations
>>> G. 1046 person online convention
>>> H. Relocate
>>> I. Reschedule
>>> J. No convention. LNC picks nominee, through some process to ratify an
>>> electronic selection by delegates
>>>
>>> Proposal 2:
>>> The Libertarian National Committee hold an electronic meeting on Monday,
>>> April 20, 2020 at 9:00 PM Eastern to decide whether and how to proceed
>>> with our 2020 National Convention.
>>>
>>> JBH
>>>
>>> ------------
>>> Joe Bishop-Henchman
>>> LNC Member (At-Large)
>>> joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>>> www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837 [1]
>>>
>>>
>>>
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