[Lnc-business] Hybrid Convention idea

[Caryn Ann Harlos]

Plus John, the LNC has zero authority to modify the agenda. The agenda is
in our standing convention rules and only the delegates in convention can
modify that.  There is not a thing we can do about that.  You can hope
delegates will do that, but there is no guarantee, and since that is not in
the agenda, we cannot instruct the CoC to prepare for that lest we be seen
as salting the soup.

A majority (or close to) of LNC members have agreed on a compromise.  A
compromise means everyone gives up something.  If there is no willingness
to do so, then this exercise is futile.  And that's okay if that is what
people want.  But without a willingness to compromise, I will not support
any revisiting of the decision we made.  It was made, let move forward.

*In Liberty,*

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On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 1:54 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
wrote:

> I won't support that.    If this is what we are going to pushing, I will
> go back to my family life and stick to my original position.
>
> *In Liberty,*
>
> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 1:43 PM john.phillips--- via Lnc-business <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
>> Agreed Elizabeth. Tho i believe the easiest way to make that happen is
>> making it first thing on the convention agenda.  I believe bylaws is
>> working on the language already, and most of us agree on the necessity.
>>
>> Perhaps that is something we could do on Saturday? Motion to "make
>> consideration of bylaws amendment to allow remote participation first item
>> on the agenda"?
>>
>> A few of us were already discussing it, but since you brought it up here
>> ...
>>
>> John Phillips
>> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>> Cell 217-412-5973
>>
>> On May 4, 2020 2:27 PM, Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business <
>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>
>> I will not support without a hybrid option.  If a POTUS/VP nomination
>> can be done electronically/remotely.  Then so can the other convention
>> business.
>>
>> This isn't about "everyone gets something they want".  It's about not
>> asking people to risk their health or that of family.
>>
>> ---
>> Elizabeth Van Horn
>> LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)
>>
>> On 2020-05-04 13:25, dustin.nanna--- via Lnc-business wrote:
>>
>> > I'm actually not sure I'd be willing to support a postponement that
>> doesn't also allow remote participation but I could be swayed if that's
>> what the delegation wants.
>> >
>> > On May 4, 2020 1:18 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Tim and Dustin, there is a majority of LNC members now who are willing
>> to
>> >> sign on to a different compromise.  An all online P/VP election very
>> soon
>> >> and an in person convention for everything else in July/august with no
>> >> hybrid option.  This way everyone gets something of what they want.  I
>> am
>> >> willing to sign off on that.
>> >>
>> >> I hope you will too Tim.
>> >>
>> >> *In Liberty,*
>> >>
>> >> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
>> >> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> >> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
>> anyone
>> >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
>> faux
>> >> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 10:51 AM Tim Hagan via Lnc-business <
>> >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> According to Rule 3 of the Convention Special Rules of Order,
>> delegates
>> >>> can be polled individually if a state's vote report is challenged,
>> and
>> >>> they must sign computer readable ballots if they're used. There's no
>> >>> requirement for a secret ballot.
>> >>>
>> >>> I listened in on the Bylaws Committee meeting yesterday. They worked
>> on
>> >>> an amendment that would allow a hybrid convention. I'd fully support
>> >>> what they had at the end of their meeting, and it's very similar to
>> your
>> >>> idea. Of course, It would need to be passed by the in-person
>> attendees
>> >>> to become in effect.
>> >>>
>> >>> ---
>> >>> Tim Hagan
>> >>> Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
>> >>>
>> >>> On 2020-05-04 09:34, dustin.nanna--- via Lnc-business wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Attached is a rough idea that I had that might satisfy both sides of
>> the
>> >>> issue. It was relatively popular with Ohio folks
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I want to get your guys' thoughts on a hybrid convention. Here's how
>> it
>> >>> would work roughly:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> As many delegates as possible/want to would meet at a time and place
>> >>> best suited and ASAP. They would then authorize emergency bylaws
>> allowing
>> >>> remote voting for those with health concerns, compromised family,
>> etc. Each
>> >>> delegation chair would make the decision on who would meet the
>> criteria and
>> >>> the delegation chair would need to be on site at the physical portion
>> of
>> >>> convention. Those voting remote could only vote on things that aren't
>> >>> voice. (Such as President, VC, LNC officers and at large, and JC) and
>> would
>> >>> do so by email ballot (my only concern here is no secret ballot). The
>> state
>> >>> chairs would then tabulate the combined votes and send them to the on
>> site
>> >>> secretary as usual.
>> >>>
>>
>>
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