[Lnc-business] Hybrid Convention idea

[Caryn Ann Harlos]

John, here is the fact.  It doesn't matter that you support a hybrid and I
don't.  The choice is not ours.  It is the delegates.  Our last motion did
not mention anything about hybrid and we all recognized it didn't preclude
it either.  Nothing has changed.  We just can't dictate it - it is not our
place, the delegates can however.  And my opinion on that is irrelevant.

The only item I will agree to immediately do by electronic means if the
P/VP nominations as that is in fact an emergency situation that can
override the bylaws.  Nothing else does.  Everything else to be put off to
the previously adopted in person agenda.  It will be up to the delegates at
that convention if they want to allow remote participation.  Not us.  And I
doubt it will happen because it will be too late.  The best we can hope for
is that they pass something that will allow such things next convention for
either a matter of course or as an emergency provision.  The bylaws
committee can craft language and leave it in the hands of the delegates.

*In Liberty,*

* Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
(part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *



On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 2:25 PM justin.odonnell--- via Lnc-business <
lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:

> Potus and VP nominations an elections are inherently non-deliberative. The
> issue raised with the electronic convention and hybrid conventions are the
> limitations in the participation of delegates in the deliberatove process
> surrounding bylaws, platform, and resolutions.
>
> While I'm of the opinion we need to act on elections sooner rather than
> later, and that we can do so via Electronic means, I'm also unconvinced
> that a suitable electronic platform exists to accomodate active debate and
> the full participation of delegates in the process. To me, the idea of a
> hybrid model should be to seperate the non deliberarive processes and
> settle them ASAP via electronkc balloting, and schedule an in person
> convention to handle deliberative motions when and where safe to do so.
>
> Justin O'Donnell
> LNC Region 8 Representative
>
> On May 4, 2020 3:27 PM, Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
> I will not support without a hybrid option.  If a POTUS/VP nomination
> can be done electronically/remotely.  Then so can the other convention
> business.
>
> This isn't about "everyone gets something they want".  It's about not
> asking people to risk their health or that of family.
>
> ---
> Elizabeth Van Horn
> LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)
>
> On 2020-05-04 13:25, dustin.nanna--- via Lnc-business wrote:
>
> > I'm actually not sure I'd be willing to support a postponement that
> doesn't also allow remote participation but I could be swayed if that's
> what the delegation wants.
> >
> > On May 4, 2020 1:18 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Tim and Dustin, there is a majority of LNC members now who are willing
> to
> >> sign on to a different compromise.  An all online P/VP election very
> soon
> >> and an in person convention for everything else in July/august with no
> >> hybrid option.  This way everyone gets something of what they want.  I
> am
> >> willing to sign off on that.
> >>
> >> I hope you will too Tim.
> >>
> >> *In Liberty,*
> >>
> >> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
> >> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> >> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
> >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
> faux
> >> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
> >>
> >> On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 10:51 AM Tim Hagan via Lnc-business <
> >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> According to Rule 3 of the Convention Special Rules of Order,
> delegates
> >>> can be polled individually if a state's vote report is challenged, and
> >>> they must sign computer readable ballots if they're used. There's no
> >>> requirement for a secret ballot.
> >>>
> >>> I listened in on the Bylaws Committee meeting yesterday. They worked
> on
> >>> an amendment that would allow a hybrid convention. I'd fully support
> >>> what they had at the end of their meeting, and it's very similar to
> your
> >>> idea. Of course, It would need to be passed by the in-person attendees
> >>> to become in effect.
> >>>
> >>> ---
> >>> Tim Hagan
> >>> Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
> >>>
> >>> On 2020-05-04 09:34, dustin.nanna--- via Lnc-business wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Attached is a rough idea that I had that might satisfy both sides of
> the
> >>> issue. It was relatively popular with Ohio folks
> >>>>
> >>>> I want to get your guys' thoughts on a hybrid convention. Here's how
> it
> >>> would work roughly:
> >>>>
> >>>> As many delegates as possible/want to would meet at a time and place
> >>> best suited and ASAP. They would then authorize emergency bylaws
> allowing
> >>> remote voting for those with health concerns, compromised family, etc.
> Each
> >>> delegation chair would make the decision on who would meet the
> criteria and
> >>> the delegation chair would need to be on site at the physical portion
> of
> >>> convention. Those voting remote could only vote on things that aren't
> >>> voice. (Such as President, VC, LNC officers and at large, and JC) and
> would
> >>> do so by email ballot (my only concern here is no secret ballot). The
> state
> >>> chairs would then tabulate the combined votes and send them to the on
> site
> >>> secretary as usual.
> >>>
>
>
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