[Lnc-business] Hybrid Convention idea

[Caryn Ann Harlos]

I as an individual delegate will argue and vote against.  But once again,
that has nothing to do with the LNC.  The LNC cannot interfere in the
process of the delegates.

*In Liberty,*

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On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 3:58 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
wrote:

> Who is the "we" you want to announce.  It cannot be the LNC. If you as a
> delegate want to band with other delegates to do so, feel free, but that
> has nothing to do with the LNC.
>
> *In Liberty,*
>
> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 3:55 PM <john.phillips at lp.org> wrote:
>
>> I was unaware that the agenda was only set by bylaws. That is a valid
>> concern. Thank you for pointing it out Caryn Ann.
>>
>> There is an easy way around that however.  We announce that it is our
>> intention to make a motion at the start of business to suspend the rules to
>> bring this subject forward for immediate debate. Then the delegates can
>> decide.  Pretty sure they will be in favor, and those not will have their
>> opportunity to debate.
>>
>> While the agenda may be set, amount of time I am pretty sure is not, as I
>> sat in and listened to the COC discuss time allotments, including cutting
>> out a VP debate.  So we simply announce that we plan to do so, and ask the
>> COC to make a time allowance in the schedule.
>>
>> If we have managed to make this other compromise there will be a lot of
>> extra time in the schedule anyway.
>>
>> Any other issues?  As you can see, I am more than willing to work within
>> the bylaws to see this matter addressed.
>>
>> John Phillips
>> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>> Cell 217-412-5973
>>
>> On May 4, 2020 3:12 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>>
>> Plus John, the LNC has zero authority to modify the agenda. The agenda is
>> in our standing convention rules and only the delegates in convention can
>> modify that.  There is not a thing we can do about that.  You can hope
>> delegates will do that, but there is no guarantee, and since that is not in
>> the agenda, we cannot instruct the CoC to prepare for that lest we be seen
>> as salting the soup.
>>
>> A majority (or close to) of LNC members have agreed on a compromise.  A
>> compromise means everyone gives up something.  If there is no willingness
>> to do so, then this exercise is futile.  And that's okay if that is what
>> people want.  But without a willingness to compromise, I will not support
>> any revisiting of the decision we made.  It was made, let move forward.
>>
>> *In Liberty,*
>>
>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 1:54 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I won't support that.    If this is what we are going to pushing, I will
>> go back to my family life and stick to my original position.
>>
>> *In Liberty,*
>>
>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 1:43 PM john.phillips--- via Lnc-business <
>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>
>> Agreed Elizabeth. Tho i believe the easiest way to make that happen is
>> making it first thing on the convention agenda.  I believe bylaws is
>> working on the language already, and most of us agree on the necessity.
>>
>> Perhaps that is something we could do on Saturday? Motion to "make
>> consideration of bylaws amendment to allow remote participation first item
>> on the agenda"?
>>
>> A few of us were already discussing it, but since you brought it up here
>> ...
>>
>> John Phillips
>> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>> Cell 217-412-5973
>>
>> On May 4, 2020 2:27 PM, Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business <
>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>
>> I will not support without a hybrid option.  If a POTUS/VP nomination
>> can be done electronically/remotely.  Then so can the other convention
>> business.
>>
>> This isn't about "everyone gets something they want".  It's about not
>> asking people to risk their health or that of family.
>>
>> ---
>> Elizabeth Van Horn
>> LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)
>>
>> On 2020-05-04 13:25, dustin.nanna--- via Lnc-business wrote:
>>
>> > I'm actually not sure I'd be willing to support a postponement that
>> doesn't also allow remote participation but I could be swayed if that's
>> what the delegation wants.
>> >
>> > On May 4, 2020 1:18 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Tim and Dustin, there is a majority of LNC members now who are willing
>> to
>> >> sign on to a different compromise.  An all online P/VP election very
>> soon
>> >> and an in person convention for everything else in July/august with no
>> >> hybrid option.  This way everyone gets something of what they want.  I
>> am
>> >> willing to sign off on that.
>> >>
>> >> I hope you will too Tim.
>> >>
>> >> *In Liberty,*
>> >>
>> >> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
>> >> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> >> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
>> anyone
>> >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
>> faux
>> >> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 10:51 AM Tim Hagan via Lnc-business <
>> >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> According to Rule 3 of the Convention Special Rules of Order,
>> delegates
>> >>> can be polled individually if a state's vote report is challenged,
>> and
>> >>> they must sign computer readable ballots if they're used. There's no
>> >>> requirement for a secret ballot.
>> >>>
>> >>> I listened in on the Bylaws Committee meeting yesterday. They worked
>> on
>> >>> an amendment that would allow a hybrid convention. I'd fully support
>> >>> what they had at the end of their meeting, and it's very similar to
>> your
>> >>> idea. Of course, It would need to be passed by the in-person
>> attendees
>> >>> to become in effect.
>> >>>
>> >>> ---
>> >>> Tim Hagan
>> >>> Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
>> >>>
>> >>> On 2020-05-04 09:34, dustin.nanna--- via Lnc-business wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Attached is a rough idea that I had that might satisfy both sides of
>> the
>> >>> issue. It was relatively popular with Ohio folks
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I want to get your guys' thoughts on a hybrid convention. Here's how
>> it
>> >>> would work roughly:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> As many delegates as possible/want to would meet at a time and place
>> >>> best suited and ASAP. They would then authorize emergency bylaws
>> allowing
>> >>> remote voting for those with health concerns, compromised family,
>> etc. Each
>> >>> delegation chair would make the decision on who would meet the
>> criteria and
>> >>> the delegation chair would need to be on site at the physical portion
>> of
>> >>> convention. Those voting remote could only vote on things that aren't
>> >>> voice. (Such as President, VC, LNC officers and at large, and JC) and
>> would
>> >>> do so by email ballot (my only concern here is no secret ballot). The
>> state
>> >>> chairs would then tabulate the combined votes and send them to the on
>> site
>> >>> secretary as usual.
>> >>>
>>
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