[Lnc-business] [COC 2018-20] Fwd: Request for LNC Consideration

Thu May 7 15:32:11 EDT 2020

Our counsel is not a parliamentarian.  I am aghast he would offer an
opinion outside his area of speciality.  No parliamentarian would render
that opinion.  If anyone decided to sue over this, I firmly believe Mr.
Hall would be in danger of malpractice.  This LNC is in dereliction of its
duty by not retaining a PRP for that determination.  Further, you do not
have authority as Chair to override the decision of the LNC.  This has gone
beyond a ridiculous power grab.  The LNC has decided.  Period.

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On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 12:55 PM Whitney Bilyeu via Lnc-business <
lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:

> Nick, how do you intend to demonstrate that it will be "impossible" for a
> "vast majority" of the delegates to travel to a convention in July?
>
> On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 1:36 PM Nicholas Sarwark via Lnc-business <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
> > Dear Colleagues,
> >
> > It is my ruling as Chair, and supported by the opinion of the Libertarian
> > National Committee's special counsel, Oliver Hall, that “place” in the
> > bylaws can mean a virtual convention in the situation where it is
> > impossible for the vast majority of the selected delegates in the party
> to
> > travel to a physical location.
> >
> > As such, a virtual convention held on Memorial Day weekend would be a
> > proper convention and compliant with the bylaws.
> >
> > Yours in liberty,
> > Nick
> >
> >
> > On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 2:26 PM Whitney Bilyeu via Lnc-business <
> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >
> > > The COC's job is to plan a convention, in accordance with bylaws. The
> LNC
> > > is responsible for final decisions. No one is being forced to do
> > anything,
> > > especially by the COC. It is not the COC's job to suggest a convention
> > plan
> > > that is not in line with bylaws. The COC's job is to put together
> plans,
> > > offer options for the LNC to choose, and make suggestions where
> > applicable.
> > >
> > > The LNC could have moved to change plans at any time...it didn't. The
> LNC
> > > could have voted this past Saturday to do something other than
> > > postpone......It didn't.
> > >
> > > If an LNC member wants something other than an in-person convention, in
> > > accordance with bylaws, they should move such. The LNC will
> > > decide.....again.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 9:36 AM BetteRose via Conventions <
> > > conventions at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I believe it was the LNC that voted for the in person convention. The
> > CoC
> > > > may have 'pushed' for that outcome but we didn't make the final
> > decision.
> > > >
> > > > My concern is, that as deaths continue to rise we may again have to
> > find
> > > > another venue and move the convention once again.  This will be hard
> on
> > > > most of the delegates and won't play well in the press.  I see that
> the
> > > > Democrats are already having trouble with that same issue.
> > > >
> > > > BetteRose Ryan
> > > > Publisher
> > > > Bent Briar Publishing <http://www.bentbriarbooks.com/>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Alicia Mattson via Conventions <conventions at hq.lp.org>
> > > > To: Libertarian National Committee list <lnc-business at hq.lp.org>
> > > > Cc: Alicia Mattson <alicia.mattson at lp.org>; Convention Oversight
> > > > Committee <conventions at hq.lp.org>
> > > > Sent: Sun, May 3, 2020 11:34 pm
> > > > Subject: Re: [COC 2018-20] [Lnc-business] Fwd: Request for LNC
> > > > Consideration
> > > >
> > > > Well, I meant to send that to the COC email list, but I was going to
> > come
> > > > here and say pretty much the same thing.
> > > >
> > > > From this forwarded message below, Valerie Sarwark wrote to us:  "The
> > > > Convention Oversight Committee is essentially committing suppression
> of
> > > > delegates by attempting to force an in-person convention."
> > > >
> > > > Force?  Suppression of delegates?  Those of differing opinions are
> > > > attempting to achieve their desired result, too.  Is that force?
> > > >
> > > > We're getting a lot of email these days, and it's easy to skim and
> miss
> > > > details, so I wanted to highlight this.  The demonizing of the COC is
> > as
> > > > shameful as it is absurd.
> > > >
> > > > -Alicia
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 10:28 PM Alicia Mattson <
> alicia.mattson at lp.org>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Forwarding for those of you not on the LNC.  The rhetoric being
> spewed
> > > > about the COC is becoming more and more outrageous.  There was quite
> a
> > > bit
> > > > of it flung around during the Bylaws and Rules Committee meeting
> today
> > as
> > > > well...
> > > >
> > > > -Alicia
> > > >
> > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> > > > From: *justin.odonnell--- via Lnc-business* <lnc-business at hq.lp.org>
> > > > Date: Sun, May 3, 2020 at 12:01 PM
> > > > Subject: [Lnc-business] Fwd: Request for LNC Consideration
> > > > To: <lnc-business at hq.lp.org>
> > > > Cc: <justin.odonnell at lp.org>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Attached is a letter to the LNC from a Region 8 Member and New
> > Hampshire
> > > > delegate for the LNC's consideration.
> > > >
> > > > Justin O'Donnell
> > > > LNC Region 8 Representative
> > > >
> > > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > > > From: Valerie Sarwark
> > > > Date: May 3, 2020 2:55 PM
> > > > Subject: Request for LNC Consideration
> > > > To: Justin.Odonnell at lp.org
> > > > Cc: Pat.Ford at lp.org
> > > >
> > > > Justin,
> > > >
> > > > As my regional representative, please forward this letter to the LNC
> > > > business list.
> > > >
> > > > Pat,
> > > >
> > > > Thank you for your responsible "no" vote in yesterday's meeting.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ****
> > > > Dear Members of the Board,
> > > > I am a delegate to the National Convention representing the state of
> > New
> > > > Hampshire. This is the third convention to which I have the great
> > > privilege
> > > > of serving as a delegate.
> > > > I would like you to strongly consider retaining the original
> convention
> > > > dates and move to an electronic business meeting. The nomination of
> > > > presidential ticket and LNC positions should be filled as soon as
> > > possible
> > > > to ensure we have the strongest start to Election Day (which is only
> > 180
> > > > days from now).
> > > > The Convention Oversight Committee is essentially committing
> > suppression
> > > > of delegates by attempting to force an in-person convention. The
> > country
> > > is
> > > > in the middle of a pandemic with many states not even open for
> > gatherings
> > > > of over 10 people. The country is in the middle of an economic
> collapse
> > > > with millions unemployed and unable to pay rent. You are now asking
> > these
> > > > people to somehow rearrange their schedules, spend more money and
> > > > potentially put their lives at risk.
> > > > In addition to the financial constraints on many of our delegates
> (the
> > > > majority of which are dues-paying members of the party), you are not
> > > > considering those affected by scheduling as far as their children. I
> > have
> > > > spent YEARS as active as possible and trying to make the party a more
> > > > welcoming place for families. Although both my husband and I have
> been
> > > able
> > > > to work through this time, it seems financially irresponsible to drag
> > the
> > > > entire family to a yet-to-be-determined site. With so many that are
> in
> > > the
> > > > same situation (or potentially worse off), would you feel comfortable
> > > > asking them to go into debt just so they can have their voices heard?
> > > > We’ve all blocked this time. We’re all ready for this meeting. We all
> > > want
> > > > to participate but we are now being told that we have to reschedule
> > > > everything within a couple of weeks. We are in the middle of an
> > emergency
> > > > and forcing people to shuffle their schedules, lives, and finances
> > around
> > > > is quite ridiculous. This isn’t about courage or principles. This is
> > > about
> > > > doing the best thing for the delegates that represent the party.
> Other
> > > > political meetings with greater participants have already occurred.
> > > > Shouldn’t we show the world that we are serious, considerate,
> > innovative
> > > > and ready to adapt?
> > > > The best choice for some is not the best choice for all. An online
> > > > convention, held Memorial Day weekend, will not exclude delegates.
> You
> > > need
> > > > to consider the right thing to do for ALL of the delegates.
> > > >
> > > > Sincerely,
> > > > Valerie A. Sarwark
> > > >
> > > >
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>
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> *Whitney Bilyeu*
> Libertarian National Committee
> Region 7 Representative
> 281.433.4966
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