[Lnc-business] [COC 2018-20] Fwd: Request for LNC Consideration

Sam Goldstein sam.goldstein at lp.org
Fri May 8 11:11:41 EDT 2020 

Richard,

So what happens if we nominate a POTUS candidate by an electronic 
meeting then the delegates in convention subsequently choose to not 
ratify that candidate and nominate someone else?  This is the 
Libertarian Party, you know.

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Sam Goldstein, At Large Member
Libertarian National Committee
317-850-0726 Cell

On 2020-05-08 11:04, Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business wrote:
> I've heard Roberts referenced a lot in terms of no electronic meetings.
> However, I've never seen anyone with "expert level" knowledge respond 
> to
> the ratification advisory put out by the folks at Roberts and I may 
> simply
> missed it. I understand what the rules are and say but everytime they 
> are
> brought up, I bring up the ratifying change and all discussion on 
> Roberts
> stops or the ratification argument is ignored. That's not good enough 
> to
> take it off the table for me.
> 
> Please explain, someone, anyone, why Roberts says electronic business 
> can
> be ratified but that our parliamentarians on this committee seem 
> convinced
> that the authors of Roberts are wrong. Even in talking with others 
> around
> the party, inxlluding those in favor of poI want to understand why and 
> how
> the authors are wrong a little better and am not trying to be a thorn 
> or
> argumentative.
> 
> For reference, I've attached a screenshot of the decision which seems 
> to
> indicate electronic meeting is ok with ratification this meaning an
> electronic setting would be acceptable. Someone please answer this 
> directly
> and leave any other convoluted argument out. This is a very specific
> question.
> 
> Richard Longstreth
> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
> Libertarian National Committee
> richard.longstreth at lp.org
> 931.538.9300
> 
> Sent from my Mobile Device
> 
> On Fri, May 8, 2020, 00:45 Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> 
>> And what is being obfuscated is that the issue isn’t over the meaning 
>> of
>> “place.”  Accepting for sake of argument that it could mean a digital 
>> room,
>> absent an express provision allowing for digital conventions they are
>> expressly forbidden.
>> 
>> This is not in question whatsoever, and the bait and switch might 
>> distract
>> someone not terribly familiar with RONR but not someone who is.
>> 
>> No amount of lawyering things up changes that.
>> 
>> On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 1:13 AM Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business <
>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> 
>> > Parliamentarians are trained to say, "I am not an attorney, and I am not
>> > giving legal advice" when treading near legal-advice territory.
>> Paralegals
>> > know to do that also.  It seems to me that attorneys also ought to
>> preface
>> > with, "I am not a parliamentarian" when they tread in the other
>> direction.
>> >
>> > -Alicia
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 9:13 PM Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
>> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > > We HAVE decided no matter how much our Chair would prefer that we did
>> > not.
>> > > I do respect being peace makers but there comes a time when it turns
>> into
>> > > Solomon's baby and it ends up gas-lighting those who say, Houston,
>> there
>> > is
>> > > a problem.  Our Chair has gone beyond the role of a presiding officer
>> and
>> > > is having an extended tantrum about not getting his way.
>> > >
>> > > *In Liberty,*
>> > >
>> > > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
>> > > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> > > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
>> > > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
>> faux
>> > > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 9:04 PM john.phillips--- via Lnc-business <
>> > > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Steven and Alex I love you guys but it clearly says it IS his ruling,
>> > not
>> > > > what his ruling would be.
>> > > >
>> > > > This is in direct contradiction to his statements around my complaint
>> > > > during the membership affair.
>> > > >
>> > > > I do appreciate you trying to be peace makers though. Much respect.
>> > > >
>> > > > John Phillips
>> > > > Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>> > > > Cell 217-412-5973
>> > > >
>> > > > On May 7, 2020 8:50 PM, Steven Nekhaila via Lnc-business <
>> > > > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > Mr. Merced is correct,
>> > > >
>> > > > The Chair stated what his ruling of the Chair would be, if it came
>> to a
>> > > > vote regarding the subject. Nothing more, nothing less.
>> > > >
>> > > > As a body, we still need to make a decision according to our rules
>> > using
>> > > > our best individual judgements to come to a conclusion.
>> > > >
>> > > > Nothing has changed.
>> > > >
>> > > > In Liberty,
>> > > >
>> > > > Steven Nekhaila
>> > > > Region 2 Representative
>> > > > Libertarian National Committee
>> > > >
>> > > > Impotentes defendere libertatum non possunt
>> > > > "Those without power cannot defend freedom"
>> > > >
>> > > > On 2020-05-07 04:08 PM, Alex Merced (LNC Vice Chair) via Lnc-business
>> > > > wrote:
>> > > > > From what I understand Nicks post is an indication of a potential
>> > > > > ruling not an edict which means...
>> > > > >
>> > > > > - it can be challenged if needed
>> > > > >
>> > > > > - doesn’t change the motion currently passed last Saturday
>> > > > >
>> > > > > - Doesnt force any action by the LNC on Saturday.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > So technically nothing has changed yet? Or am I wrong?
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Technically does an email declaration of a ruling not yet asked for
>> > > > > have any weight? So if we theoretically passed a motion that was
>> > > > > challenged, wouldn’t Nick have to make this ruling explicitly again
>> > at
>> > > > > which point it would be challenged?
>> > > > >
>> > > > > If this is correct wouldn’t the previous email really just be Nick
>> > > > > making clear how he will rule if that comes to be or am I
>> misreading
>> > > > > this?
>> > > > >
>> > > > > If it’s an edict unilaterally changing or forcing an action by the
>> > LNC
>> > > > > that’s a problem (the wording doesn’t say that from my reading), if
>> > > > > it’s an indication of how a chair will rule if a particular
>> conflict
>> > > > > arises well then it just gives time for those who’d challenge the
>> > > > > ruling to be more prepared.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I’m just trying to clarify before we escalate beyond where we are
>> > > > > actually at in this process.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Alex Merced
>> > > > > Vice Chair of the Libertarian National Committee/LP
>> > > > >
>> > > > >> On May 7, 2020, at 3:55 PM, joshua.smith--- via Lnc-business
>> > > > >> <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> 
>> > > > >> Hello all,
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> I would ask that the Chairman of this board either resign if he
>> can
>> > no
>> > > > >> longer fairly respect the will of the board with impartiality, or
>> go
>> > > > >> back to being the impartial mediator that he is elected to be.
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> The Chairman is not elected to push his own agenda on the board,
>> or
>> > > > >> the membership, and with each passing day it looks more and more
>> > like
>> > > > >> the Chairman has overstepped the duties entrusted in him by those
>> > very
>> > > > >> people.
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> In liberty,
>> > > > >> Joshua
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> On May 7, 2020 2:41 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
>> > > > >> <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> > > > >> I have a question for the body.  I believe that the entire LNC is
>> > not
>> > > > >> being
>> > > > >> represented by our general counsel but rather Mr. Sarwark is.  Do
>> we
>> > > > >> have
>> > > > >> any recourse to ask for additional counsel?  This is pretty
>> > > > >> outrageous,
>> > > > >> that I would join in costs if other LNC members felt we needed
>> > > > >> representation due to this usurping of power by our Chair.  I have
>> > > > >> said for
>> > > > >> two years now there are no officers in this party other than our
>> > > > >> Chair.
>> > > > >> Now there is effectively no LNC.  Figureheads would be a
>> promotion.
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> *In Liberty,*
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>> > Syndrome
>> > > > >> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> > > > >> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
>> > > > >> anyone
>> > > > >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
>> social
>> > > > >> faux
>> > > > >> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 1:35 PM Caryn Ann Harlos
>> > > > >> <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
>> > > > >> wrote:
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> > I too would like to know how the "vast majority" was determined.
>> > > Our
>> > > > >> > largest affiliate California has instructed the LNC otherwise.
>> > > > Colorado is
>> > > > >> > nothing to sneeze at and there is nothing preventing us from
>> > > > attending.
>> > > > >> >
>> > > > >> > Respect the decision of the LNC.  You are presiding officer not
>> > > > overlord.
>> > > > >> > If you insist on putting our general counsel in the untenable
>> > > > position of
>> > > > >> > rendering a parliamentarian opinion, I will be moving that the
>> LNC
>> > > > retain
>> > > > >> > and actual PRP.
>> > > > >> >
>> > > > >> > I do not know what has caused this strange shift of behaviour
>> but
>> > > > this is
>> > > > >> > not the very tempered behaviour of the Chair I have worked with
>> > for
>> > > > four
>> > > > >> > years now who knew how to respect the hierarchy in place and
>> > accept
>> > > > things
>> > > > >> > he thought were bad decisions.  You are free to appeal to the
>> > > > Judicial
>> > > > >> > Committee l like anyone else.  You are not free to disregard the
>> > LNC
>> > > > and
>> > > > >> > usurp all power to yourself.
>> > > > >> >
>> > > > >> > *In Liberty,*
>> > > > >> >
>> > > > >> > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>> > > > Syndrome
>> > > > >> > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> > > > >> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
>> > > > anyone
>> > > > >> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
>> > social
>> > > > faux
>> > > > >> > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>> > > > >> >
>> > > > >> >
>> > > > >> >
>> > > > >> > On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 1:32 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <
>> > > > caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
>> > > > >> > wrote:
>> > > > >> >
>> > > > >> >> Our counsel is not a parliamentarian.  I am aghast he would
>> offer
>> > > an
>> > > > >> >> opinion outside his area of speciality.  No parliamentarian
>> would
>> > > > render
>> > > > >> >> that opinion.  If anyone decided to sue over this, I firmly
>> > believe
>> > > > Mr.
>> > > > >> >> Hall would be in danger of malpractice.  This LNC is in
>> > dereliction
>> > > > of its
>> > > > >> >> duty by not retaining a PRP for that determination.  Further,
>> you
>> > > do
>> > > > not
>> > > > >> >> have authority as Chair to override the decision of the LNC.
>> > This
>> > > > has gone
>> > > > >> >> beyond a ridiculous power grab.  The LNC has decided.  Period.
>> > > > >> >>
>> > > > >> >> *In Liberty,*
>> > > > >> >>
>> > > > >> >> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>> > > > Syndrome
>> > > > >> >> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> > > > >> >> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.
>> If
>> > > > anyone
>> > > > >> >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
>> > > social
>> > > > faux
>> > > > >> >> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>> > > > >> >>
>> > > > >> >>
>> > > > >> >>
>> > > > >> >> On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 12:55 PM Whitney Bilyeu via
>> Lnc-business <
>> > > > >> >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> > > > >> >>
>> > > > >> >>> Nick, how do you intend to demonstrate that it will be
>> > > "impossible"
>> > > > for a
>> > > > >> >>> "vast majority" of the delegates to travel to a convention in
>> > > July?
>> > > > >> >>>
>> > > > >> >>> On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 1:36 PM Nicholas Sarwark via
>> > Lnc-business <
>> > > > >> >>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> > > > >> >>>
>> > > > >> >>> > Dear Colleagues,
>> > > > >> >>> >
>> > > > >> >>> > It is my ruling as Chair, and supported by the opinion of
>> the
>> > > > >> >>> Libertarian
>> > > > >> >>> > National Committee's special counsel, Oliver Hall, that
>> > “place”
>> > > > in the
>> > > > >> >>> > bylaws can mean a virtual convention in the situation where
>> it
>> > > is
>> > > > >> >>> > impossible for the vast majority of the selected delegates
>> in
>> > > the
>> > > > >> >>> party to
>> > > > >> >>> > travel to a physical location.
>> > > > >> >>> >
>> > > > >> >>> > As such, a virtual convention held on Memorial Day weekend
>> > would
>> > > > be a
>> > > > >> >>> > proper convention and compliant with the bylaws.
>> > > > >> >>> >
>> > > > >> >>> > Yours in liberty,
>> > > > >> >>> > Nick
>> > > > >> >>> >
>> > > > >> >>> >
>> > > > >> >>> > On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 2:26 PM Whitney Bilyeu via
>> > Lnc-business <
>> > > > >> >>> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> > > > >> >>> >
>> > > > >> >>> > > The COC's job is to plan a convention, in accordance with
>> > > > bylaws.
>> > > > >> >>> The LNC
>> > > > >> >>> > > is responsible for final decisions. No one is being forced
>> > to
>> > > > do
>> > > > >> >>> > anything,
>> > > > >> >>> > > especially by the COC. It is not the COC's job to suggest
>> a
>> > > > >> >>> convention
>> > > > >> >>> > plan
>> > > > >> >>> > > that is not in line with bylaws. The COC's job is to put
>> > > > together
>> > > > >> >>> plans,
>> > > > >> >>> > > offer options for the LNC to choose, and make suggestions
>> > > where
>> > > > >> >>> > applicable.
>> > > > >> >>> > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > The LNC could have moved to change plans at any time...it
>> > > > didn't.
>> > > > >> >>> The LNC
>> > > > >> >>> > > could have voted this past Saturday to do something other
>> > than
>> > > > >> >>> > > postpone......It didn't.
>> > > > >> >>> > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > If an LNC member wants something other than an in-person
>> > > > convention,
>> > > > >> >>> in
>> > > > >> >>> > > accordance with bylaws, they should move such. The LNC
>> will
>> > > > >> >>> > > decide.....again.
>> > > > >> >>> > >
>> > > > >> >>> > >
>> > > > >> >>> > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 9:36 AM BetteRose via Conventions <
>> > > > >> >>> > > conventions at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> > > > >> >>> > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > > I believe it was the LNC that voted for the in person
>> > > > convention.
>> > > > >> >>> The
>> > > > >> >>> > CoC
>> > > > >> >>> > > > may have 'pushed' for that outcome but we didn't make
>> the
>> > > > final
>> > > > >> >>> > decision.
>> > > > >> >>> > > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > > My concern is, that as deaths continue to rise we may
>> > again
>> > > > have to
>> > > > >> >>> > find
>> > > > >> >>> > > > another venue and move the convention once again.  This
>> > will
>> > > > be
>> > > > >> >>> hard on
>> > > > >> >>> > > > most of the delegates and won't play well in the
>> press.  I
>> > > > see
>> > > > >> >>> that the
>> > > > >> >>> > > > Democrats are already having trouble with that same
>> issue.
>> > > > >> >>> > > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > > BetteRose Ryan
>> > > > >> >>> > > > Publisher
>> > > > >> >>> > > > Bent Briar Publishing <http://www.bentbriarbooks.com/>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > > >> >>> > > > From: Alicia Mattson via Conventions <
>> > conventions at hq.lp.org
>> > > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > > To: Libertarian National Committee list <
>> > > > lnc-business at hq.lp.org>
>> > > > >> >>> > > > Cc: Alicia Mattson <alicia.mattson at lp.org>; Convention
>> > > > Oversight
>> > > > >> >>> > > > Committee <conventions at hq.lp.org>
>> > > > >> >>> > > > Sent: Sun, May 3, 2020 11:34 pm
>> > > > >> >>> > > > Subject: Re: [COC 2018-20] [Lnc-business] Fwd: Request
>> for
>> > > > LNC
>> > > > >> >>> > > > Consideration
>> > > > >> >>> > > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > > Well, I meant to send that to the COC email list, but I
>> > was
>> > > > going
>> > > > >> >>> to
>> > > > >> >>> > come
>> > > > >> >>> > > > here and say pretty much the same thing.
>> > > > >> >>> > > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > > From this forwarded message below, Valerie Sarwark wrote
>> > to
>> > > > us:
>> > > > >> >>> "The
>> > > > >> >>> > > > Convention Oversight Committee is essentially committing
>> > > > >> >>> suppression of
>> > > > >> >>> > > > delegates by attempting to force an in-person
>> convention."
>> > > > >> >>> > > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > > Force?  Suppression of delegates?  Those of differing
>> > > > opinions are
>> > > > >> >>> > > > attempting to achieve their desired result, too.  Is
>> that
>> > > > force?
>> > > > >> >>> > > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > > We're getting a lot of email these days, and it's easy
>> to
>> > > > skim and
>> > > > >> >>> miss
>> > > > >> >>> > > > details, so I wanted to highlight this.  The demonizing
>> of
>> > > > the COC
>> > > > >> >>> is
>> > > > >> >>> > as
>> > > > >> >>> > > > shameful as it is absurd.
>> > > > >> >>> > > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > > -Alicia
>> > > > >> >>> > > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > > On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 10:28 PM Alicia Mattson <
>> > > > >> >>> alicia.mattson at lp.org>
>> > > > >> >>> > > > wrote:
>> > > > >> >>> > > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > > Forwarding for those of you not on the LNC.  The
>> rhetoric
>> > > > being
>> > > > >> >>> spewed
>> > > > >> >>> > > > about the COC is becoming more and more outrageous.
>> There
>> > > > was
>> > > > >> >>> quite a
>> > > > >> >>> > > bit
>> > > > >> >>> > > > of it flung around during the Bylaws and Rules Committee
>> > > > meeting
>> > > > >> >>> today
>> > > > >> >>> > as
>> > > > >> >>> > > > well...
>> > > > >> >>> > > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > > -Alicia
>> > > > >> >>> > > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>> > > > >> >>> > > > From: *justin.odonnell--- via Lnc-business* <
>> > > > >> >>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org>
>> > > > >> >>> > > > Date: Sun, May 3, 2020 at 12:01 PM
>> > > > >> >>> > > > Subject: [Lnc-business] Fwd: Request for LNC
>> Consideration
>> > > > >> >>> > > > To: <lnc-business at hq.lp.org>
>> > > > >> >>> > > > Cc: <justin.odonnell at lp.org>
>> > > > >> >>> > > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > > Attached is a letter to the LNC from a Region 8 Member
>> and
>> > > > New
>> > > > >> >>> > Hampshire
>> > > > >> >>> > > > delegate for the LNC's consideration.
>> > > > >> >>> > > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > > Justin O'Donnell
>> > > > >> >>> > > > LNC Region 8 Representative
>> > > > >> >>> > > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> > > > >> >>> > > > From: Valerie Sarwark
>> > > > >> >>> > > > Date: May 3, 2020 2:55 PM
>> > > > >> >>> > > > Subject: Request for LNC Consideration
>> > > > >> >>> > > > To: Justin.Odonnell at lp.org
>> > > > >> >>> > > > Cc: Pat.Ford at lp.org
>> > > > >> >>> > > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > > Justin,
>> > > > >> >>> > > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > > As my regional representative, please forward this
>> letter
>> > to
>> > > > the
>> > > > >> >>> LNC
>> > > > >> >>> > > > business list.
>> > > > >> >>> > > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > > Pat,
>> > > > >> >>> > > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > > Thank you for your responsible "no" vote in yesterday's
>> > > > meeting.
>> > > > >> >>> > > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > > ****
>> > > > >> >>> > > > Dear Members of the Board,
>> > > > >> >>> > > > I am a delegate to the National Convention representing
>> > the
>> > > > state
>> > > > >> >>> of
>> > > > >> >>> > New
>> > > > >> >>> > > > Hampshire. This is the third convention to which I have
>> > the
>> > > > great
>> > > > >> >>> > > privilege
>> > > > >> >>> > > > of serving as a delegate.
>> > > > >> >>> > > > I would like you to strongly consider retaining the
>> > original
>> > > > >> >>> convention
>> > > > >> >>> > > > dates and move to an electronic business meeting. The
>> > > > nomination of
>> > > > >> >>> > > > presidential ticket and LNC positions should be filled
>> as
>> > > > soon as
>> > > > >> >>> > > possible
>> > > > >> >>> > > > to ensure we have the strongest start to Election Day
>> > (which
>> > > > is
>> > > > >> >>> only
>> > > > >> >>> > 180
>> > > > >> >>> > > > days from now).
>> > > > >> >>> > > > The Convention Oversight Committee is essentially
>> > committing
>> > > > >> >>> > suppression
>> > > > >> >>> > > > of delegates by attempting to force an in-person
>> > convention.
>> > > > The
>> > > > >> >>> > country
>> > > > >> >>> > > is
>> > > > >> >>> > > > in the middle of a pandemic with many states not even
>> open
>> > > > for
>> > > > >> >>> > gatherings
>> > > > >> >>> > > > of over 10 people. The country is in the middle of an
>> > > > economic
>> > > > >> >>> collapse
>> > > > >> >>> > > > with millions unemployed and unable to pay rent. You are
>> > now
>> > > > asking
>> > > > >> >>> > these
>> > > > >> >>> > > > people to somehow rearrange their schedules, spend more
>> > > money
>> > > > and
>> > > > >> >>> > > > potentially put their lives at risk.
>> > > > >> >>> > > > In addition to the financial constraints on many of our
>> > > > delegates
>> > > > >> >>> (the
>> > > > >> >>> > > > majority of which are dues-paying members of the party),
>> > you
>> > > > are
>> > > > >> >>> not
>> > > > >> >>> > > > considering those affected by scheduling as far as their
>> > > > children.
>> > > > >> >>> I
>> > > > >> >>> > have
>> > > > >> >>> > > > spent YEARS as active as possible and trying to make the
>> > > > party a
>> > > > >> >>> more
>> > > > >> >>> > > > welcoming place for families. Although both my husband
>> > and I
>> > > > have
>> > > > >> >>> been
>> > > > >> >>> > > able
>> > > > >> >>> > > > to work through this time, it seems financially
>> > > irresponsible
>> > > > to
>> > > > >> >>> drag
>> > > > >> >>> > the
>> > > > >> >>> > > > entire family to a yet-to-be-determined site. With so
>> many
>> > > > that
>> > > > >> >>> are in
>> > > > >> >>> > > the
>> > > > >> >>> > > > same situation (or potentially worse off), would you
>> feel
>> > > > >> >>> comfortable
>> > > > >> >>> > > > asking them to go into debt just so they can have their
>> > > > voices
>> > > > >> >>> heard?
>> > > > >> >>> > > > We’ve all blocked this time. We’re all ready for this
>> > > > meeting. We
>> > > > >> >>> all
>> > > > >> >>> > > want
>> > > > >> >>> > > > to participate but we are now being told that we have to
>> > > > reschedule
>> > > > >> >>> > > > everything within a couple of weeks. We are in the
>> middle
>> > of
>> > > > an
>> > > > >> >>> > emergency
>> > > > >> >>> > > > and forcing people to shuffle their schedules, lives,
>> and
>> > > > finances
>> > > > >> >>> > around
>> > > > >> >>> > > > is quite ridiculous. This isn’t about courage or
>> > principles.
>> > > > This
>> > > > >> >>> is
>> > > > >> >>> > > about
>> > > > >> >>> > > > doing the best thing for the delegates that represent
>> the
>> > > > party.
>> > > > >> >>> Other
>> > > > >> >>> > > > political meetings with greater participants have
>> already
>> > > > occurred.
>> > > > >> >>> > > > Shouldn’t we show the world that we are serious,
>> > > considerate,
>> > > > >> >>> > innovative
>> > > > >> >>> > > > and ready to adapt?
>> > > > >> >>> > > > The best choice for some is not the best choice for all.
>> > An
>> > > > online
>> > > > >> >>> > > > convention, held Memorial Day weekend, will not exclude
>> > > > delegates.
>> > > > >> >>> You
>> > > > >> >>> > > need
>> > > > >> >>> > > > to consider the right thing to do for ALL of the
>> > delegates.
>> > > > >> >>> > > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > > Sincerely,
>> > > > >> >>> > > > Valerie A. Sarwark
>> > > > >> >>> > > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > >
>> > > > >> >>> > > > _______________________________________________
>> > > > >> >>> > > > Conventions mailing list
>> > > > >> >>> > > > Conventions at hq.lp.org
>> > > > >> >>> > > > http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/conventions
>> > > > >> >>> > > > _______________________________________________
>> > > > >> >>> > > > Conventions mailing list
>> > > > >> >>> > > > Conventions at hq.lp.org
>> > > > >> >>> > > > http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/conventions
>> > > > >> >>> > > >
>> > > > >> >>> > >
>> > > > >> >>> >
>> > > > >> >>>
>> > > > >> >>>
>> > > > >> >>> --
>> > > > >> >>> *Whitney Bilyeu*
>> > > > >> >>> Libertarian National Committee
>> > > > >> >>> Region 7 Representative
>> > > > >> >>> 281.433.4966
>> > > > >> >>> LP.ORG
>> > > > >> >>>
>> > > > >> >>
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >>
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>> --
>> 
>> *In Liberty,*
>> 
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>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If 
>> anyone
>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social 
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