[Lnc-business] Impartiality of Chair

Mon May 11 10:48:18 EDT 2020

I have said all I wish.

*  In Liberty,*
* Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
(part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me know.  *

On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 8:47 AM Richard Longstreth <
richard.longstreth at lp.org> wrote:

> Sigh.
>
> Paragraph 1 - John was a declared candidate which is a specific nuanced
> difference in my mind. We as an LNC practice not supporting any candidate
> until after nomination. Many of this board extend that to their own
> personal views. I am one of them.
>
> Paragraph 2&3 - I cannot cite my personal opinion and how I exercise my
> role in Roberts or the PM because, obviously, it is my personal viewpoint
> and opinion. Also, I never said I would or wanted to impose my viewpoint on
> other people, I just shared it with the group. I do not want to amend our
> policy manual in this way.
>
> Paragraph 4 - How you describe your pacifist views seems similar to my
> views on this which is why I will not bring forward a policy manual or
> other rule change. I will also not chastise the chair or yourself for being
> vocal on this.
>
> If the chair advocates for a specific position and he is holding the
> gavel, I expect him to turn it over or the delegates to demand he do such.
> As a delegate I have personal thoughts, as an LNC member, I'm not going to
> be supporting a call to censure or anything like that based on someone
> taking a poll. I am already fighting members of my region on calling a
> censure on another member of this board for broadcasting that they will not
> execute their duty. My reasoning for not pursuing that is the same for not
> pursuing this any further, at this time: times are heated, opinions are
> strong, all are operating from a place that they feel is best for the
> party, nobody has caused any actual harm as far as I can tell. We all have
> opinions and say things in the moment we maybe shouldn't. As Mr Merced said
> in our meeting, I wish we could come from a place of working together and
> forgiveness to get what needs to be done, done.
>
> Richard Longstreth
> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
> Libertarian National Committee
> richard.longstreth at lp.org
> 931.538.9300
>
> Sent from my Mobile Device
>
> On Mon, May 11, 2020, 07:16 Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> No one else is required to be impartial.  That is not an interpretation
>> that bears weight unless you want to provide a policy manual revision.  Or
>> should John Phillips not have supported his own race?
>>
>> The chair is a position of great honour with special responsibilities.
>> Others have much much more latitude.  Please site me in RONR or our policy
>> manual where that impartiality is required of anyone else.  That may be
>> your personal conviction, and I respect that, but you cannot impose that on
>> other people.
>>
>> We are allowed to get on the mic and debate as well.  The chair is not.
>> You are free to your strict interpretation but to impose that on other
>> people, no, that is not proper.
>>
>> On this post we are dealing with RONR and our policy manual where
>> relevant (it isn't here).  And RONR does not hold your view in order to
>> give it binding authority on other.  I view your position something akin to
>> my pacifism.  I hold that view.  It is quite strict.  I wish everyone was a
>> pacificist. But I do not chastise those who are not as lethal self defense
>> is a fundamental right that I have no place to demand they set aside lest
>> they seem less ethical than me.
>>
>> *  In Liberty,*
>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
>> pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me know.  *
>>
>>
>> On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 8:04 AM Richard Longstreth <
>> richard.longstreth at lp.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Fair enough if that is your interpretation. To be honest, any officer
>>> voting in any of these polls violates the impartiality of this board to me.
>>> The officers include the chair, vice chair, secretary, and treasurer as a
>>> reminder. Regional representatives, I urge caution in participation because
>>> it violates impartiality in representing your entire region. Really, only
>>> at large members can vote on the types of polls, in my mind, without
>>> violating impartiality unless, of course, they are seeking an officer or
>>> regional role.
>>>
>>> I understand that impartiality in this case is specifically referring to
>>> chairing parts of the convention but on a larger level, the delegates now
>>> have a choice to make on their own. We represent the delegates and should
>>> not be skewing their opinions one way or another. It is a violation of
>>> their right to dictate to us what they want.
>>>
>>> I also understand that my view on impartiality is much more narrow than
>>> some of my peers and always has been which is why I will stay quiet on all
>>> these matters going forward and keep my thoughts to myself. Overall, I
>>> think this entire board does a poor job of remaining impartial on delegate
>>> matters. If the delegates view anyone's actions online as inappropriate
>>> they will let it be known in a few short weeks and we have more important
>>> things to focus on gearing up to that.
>>>
>>> Richard Longstreth
>>> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>> richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> 931.538.9300
>>>
>>> Sent from my Mobile Device
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 11, 2020, 06:25 <john.phillips at lp.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thank you for the clarification Richard.  Tho I am not sure I agree
>>>> that it is an improvement.  It at best it changes nothing and if someone
>>>> wanted to put the worst possible spin on it, arguably worse.
>>>>
>>>> John Phillips
>>>> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>>>> Cell 217-412-5973
>>>>
>>>> On May 11, 2020 8:21 AM, Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business <
>>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Fellow LNC members,
>>>>
>>>> I feel we were presented with an example of only one thing the Chair
>>>> voted
>>>> on in that poll, not the full picture. I just found the same voting
>>>> thread
>>>> and want to share the other option Mr Sarwarck voted on (attached
>>>> picture)
>>>> in which he also says he will be attending and supporting the in person
>>>> section as well. It is possible to hold both beliefs and I'm not sure
>>>> this
>>>> so much falls into bias given full context.
>>>>
>>>> Calls to demonize our chair are just as bad as our chair pushing an
>>>> agenda.
>>>> Be fair with each other. I will call out what I see but would hope that
>>>> I
>>>> would be presented with the whole story to judge fairly. Yes, Nick
>>>> should
>>>> remain impartial, however, by voting for multiple sides, he seems to be
>>>> maintaining that to a degree.
>>>>
>>>> I still think it best that ALL of us remain neutral on such polling and
>>>> let
>>>> the body do as it does if it does. Painting each other or delegates as
>>>> enemies of the party for disagreeing with your interpretation or
>>>> viewpoint
>>>> is very troublesome.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Richard Longstreth
>>>> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
>>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>>> richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>>> 931.538.9300
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my Mobile Device
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, May 10, 2020, 22:04 Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
>>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > We've been snowed.  Simple as that.  There is no intent to honor the
>>>> > hard-won compromise, and I am inclined to urge the LNC to take other
>>>> action
>>>> > as there is zero confidence in what was voted on.
>>>> >
>>>> > Let me give you all the simple reality here.  We are duty bound to
>>>> consider
>>>> > worst case scenario.  We have a bullshit online fiasco and get hit
>>>> with 51
>>>> > lawsuits AND no fundraising convention.  We are bankrupt.  Reality
>>>> bites.
>>>> > There are already actual party members ready to sue. I think that is
>>>> > terrible, but it is real.
>>>> >
>>>> > The Adams motion is the route we should have taken.  Period.  End.
>>>> That is
>>>> > the ONLY compromise that will stop these games, and I ask everyone
>>>> where
>>>> > they stand.  And if Chair Sarwark tries once again to insinuate
>>>> "agree with
>>>> > me or I will accept your resignation" don't let anyone face that
>>>> alone as
>>>> > we allowed Ms. Mattson to.  Shame on us.
>>>> >
>>>> > ONE person has consistently subverted the will of this body.  The one
>>>> > person that should never do it.  Our chair.  Wake up.
>>>> >
>>>> > *  In Liberty,*
>>>> > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>>>> Syndrome
>>>> > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>>>> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
>>>> anyone
>>>> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
>>>> faux
>>>> > pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me
>>>> know.  *
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 9:43 PM Steven Nekhaila <
>>>> steven.nekhaila at lp.org>
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > > If Chairman Sarwark truly wishes to convince the delegation to take
>>>> > > action that would go against the motion the body set forward, I
>>>> would
>>>> > > implore him to announce his intentions now and allow Vice Chairman
>>>> > > Merced to gavel the convention.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Nick, please divulge your intentions to us.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > In Liberty,
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Steven Nekhaila
>>>> > > Region 2 Representative
>>>> > > Libertarian National Committee
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Impotentes defendere libertatum non possunt
>>>> > > "Those without power cannot defend freedom"
>>>> > >
>>>> > > On 2020-05-10 11:35 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>>>> > > > I know the rules Mr. Phillips.  Consult me privately if you wish
>>>> to
>>>> > > > know.
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > *  In Liberty,*
>>>> > > > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>>>> Syndrome
>>>> > > > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>>>> > > > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
>>>> anyone
>>>> > > > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
>>>> social
>>>> > > > faux
>>>> > > > pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me
>>>> know.
>>>> > > > *
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 9:33 PM <john.phillips at lp.org> wrote:
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >> I am not even dead set against online and I agree this is
>>>> > > >> inappropriate.
>>>> > > >> Yet again.
>>>> > > >>
>>>> > > >> I find myself regretting both not pursuing my first question
>>>> harder on
>>>> > > >> Saturday rather than backing off, and my motion to cancel the
>>>> next
>>>> > > >> meeting.
>>>> > > >>
>>>> > > >> I honestly find myself wondering what options we have for
>>>> disciplinary
>>>> > > >> action at this point.  Yes I should be more familiar with such
>>>> rules,
>>>> > > >> but
>>>> > > >> there it is.
>>>> > > >>
>>>> > > >> John Phillips
>>>> > > >> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>>>> > > >> Cell 217-412-5973
>>>> > > >>
>>>> > > >> On May 10, 2020 10:17 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
>>>> > > >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>> > > >>
>>>> > > >> Mr. Chair, once again, I implore you to maintain the
>>>> impartiality
>>>> > > >> required.  I am concerned about your public pledge to support
>>>> making
>>>> > > >> amending the agenda on May 22 to make the entire convention
>>>> online
>>>> > > >> over
>>>> > > >> the
>>>> > > >> wishes of the LNC.
>>>> > > >>
>>>> > > >> See attached screenshot for pledge and Mr. Sarwark's name
>>>> pledging to
>>>> > > >> do
>>>> > > >> so.
>>>> > > >>
>>>> > > >> It would be more convenient for me to stay silent.  Duty demands
>>>> that
>>>> > > >> I
>>>> > > >> not
>>>> > > >> be.
>>>> > > >>
>>>> > > >> *  In Liberty,*
>>>> > > >> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>>>> Syndrome
>>>> > > >> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>>>> > > >> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
>>>> > > >> anyone
>>>> > > >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
>>>> social
>>>> > > >> faux
>>>> > > >> pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me
>>>> know.
>>>> > > >> *
>>>> > > >>
>>>> > > >>
>>>> > > >>
>>>> > >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>