[Lnc-business] EMAIL BALLOT 200513-1 MOTION TO RESCIND MAY 9 MOTION DESCRIBED BELOW

Thu May 14 02:59:44 EDT 2020

CAH, I didn't take it as being directed at me.  No problem.

-Alicia

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On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 11:46 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
wrote:

> That comment was not to ms Mattson.  She’s dealing with what matters.
>
> Rights and abuses of the chair.
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 12:45 AM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Very serious concerns.
>>
>> I am going to vote and work.  That’s it.
>>
>> I’m not going to respond to emotional yells.  Everyone vote your
>> conscience.
>>
>> My priority is fundamental rights.
>>
>> I am not going to deviate from that for appearances.
>>
>> I am not going to deviate from that for anything.
>>
>> I am ignoring the rest.
>>
>> I am ignoring social media.
>>
>> It is our job to ensure rights are not violated.
>>
>> Timing of motions, who’s getting elected or re elected or who is upset
>> are not my concern.
>>
>> The votes will go as they may.  And I will do my job.
>>
>> But I will not violate member rights.  Period.
>>
>> We’ve let the chair get away with murder.
>>
>> Some of us wrote a letter in October.  It was largely ignored.
>>
>> I’m not going to let member rights be violated.  If you are not talking
>> about rights save your breath with me.
>>
>> I’ve let myself get distracted from that.
>>
>> No more.
>>
>> If you’re not dealing with rights leave me out of it.
>>
>> On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 12:28 AM Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business <
>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Our platform demands that the constitution not be suspended in times of
>>> war, and the Platform Committee is proposing to add other conditions to
>>> that.  The LNC is currently voting on a motion to say that emergencies
>>> are
>>> not a legitimate reason to violate rights.  How can the LNC, then,
>>> facilitate what is clearly going to be a bulldozing of delegate rights
>>> with
>>> this online convention plan?
>>>
>>> There were many delegates who were unable to attend tonight's online
>>> event,
>>> so I need to share some information that was given.
>>>
>>> First recall that Zoom has a meeting mode, and it has a webinar mode.  In
>>> meeting mode, participants can see who else is present, can see whose
>>> hands
>>> are raised, and NORMALLY have mic/video rights, as it is designed for a
>>> more deliberative process.  In webinar mode, it's designed to be one-way
>>> information, presenter gives info and the rest are passive observers, and
>>> it is not designed for a deliberative process for group decisions.  We
>>> can't tell who else is or is not present.  We can't see whose hands are
>>> raised or whether the chair is recognizing people in the order in which
>>> hands were raised.  We are locked in isolation cages and can only speak
>>> when someone else gives us permission.
>>>
>>> Tonight it was explained that in meeting mode, Zoom has an absolute
>>> maximum
>>> capacity of 1000 participants.  We have 1046 delegates, so the platform
>>> which has been chosen is not capable of hosting all of our delegates.
>>> This
>>> is a serious matter when we're talking about duly elected delegates being
>>> prevented from attending the meeting because they're one of the last 46
>>> to
>>> arrive.
>>>
>>> The chair indicated we would use meeting mode for the Friday night
>>> credentialing and agenda process, but then when it came time for
>>> elections,
>>> he would put us into webinar mode because it can handle up to 3000
>>> participants.
>>>
>>> Remember webinar mode from the first test run?  Remember all my comments
>>> about how that violates the fundamental requirements for simultaneous
>>> aural
>>> communication among all participants, noted on page ONE of RONR?  I
>>> thought
>>> we were past that possibility when the second test run was put into
>>> meeting
>>> mode, and we were allowed to control our own mics.
>>>
>>> Webinar mode means you have no means of raising a point of order or other
>>> privileged motion in a timely manner.  This is also a very serious
>>> fundamental rights issue.  If our rules are violated, and we can't
>>> immediately act to alert the assembly to the problem and have it
>>> corrected,
>>> it's a huge problem.  Some mistake made impacting a candidate's status?
>>> Election results are incorrect?  Delegates who are for some reason unable
>>> to enter the meeting to exercise their rights to vote?  Can't open your
>>> mic
>>> to say anything.
>>>
>>> For tonight's trial we were actually in meeting mode, but the account
>>> admins had chosen to take away our microphone controls even in meeting
>>> mode!!
>>>
>>> Under these conditions, delegate rights are subject to the whims of a
>>> chair
>>> who has, more and more lately, demonstrated that he doesn't give a flip
>>> about the rights of members to speak in meetings.  I am not going to
>>> surrender my rights as a member to such a chair.
>>>
>>> Tonight we practiced with debate over the silly subject of whether hot
>>> dogs
>>> are sandwiches.  How did that go?  The motions and debate were funny,
>>> however there were numerous procedural violations.  The Chair refused to
>>> designate any particular means by which a delegate could raise a point of
>>> order.  He sorta suggested maybe we could flash icons or something but
>>> then
>>> refused to pay attention to such signals.
>>>
>>> There were various causes for points of order:  debate not germane to the
>>> motion, the motions being misstated as completely different things than
>>> were moved, the polls being put up for voting also containing the wrong
>>> motion, too many amendments pending at a time, etc.  These are all things
>>> that need someone to say something immediately, but we couldn't.
>>>
>>> We were left trying all sorts of novel things to get attention:  flash
>>> various icons repeatedly, physically wave our hands on our video, hold up
>>> notes to our cameras.  Nothing worked.  All we could do was raise our
>>> hands
>>> to get in line to speak with non-privileged priority...which took 20
>>> minutes.  Oh, and if in the meantime we tried flashing
>>> yes/no/coffee/fast/slow icons, Zoom put our hand down and took us out of
>>> the waiting line to speak.  At one point when I had a hand up for a point
>>> of order, a faceless admin pulled me out of the main hall and put me into
>>> the credentialing room, which also lost my place in the speaking queue.
>>>
>>> When several people eventually got to speak after waiting forever to
>>> raise
>>> points of order the chair was very dismissive about the inability to
>>> exercise our rights to raise privileged motions.  He clearly didn't care
>>> and wasn't going to see that any mechanism was implemented.  Instead we
>>> were treated to the chair whining that:
>>> -privileged motions annoy him
>>> -privileged motions are "a giant pain in the ass"
>>> -he doesn't know a right way to get a privileged motion to bubble up
>>> -it's tricky, and I don't have an answer
>>> -and maybe if someone put up the coffee cup icon he could somehow send
>>> the
>>> parliamentarian to "deal with the individual."
>>>
>>> It was callous disregard for delegate rights to call attention to
>>> potentially serious problems, and it was clear he doesn't WANT to allow
>>> us
>>> to do that.
>>>
>>> I'm also going to say it out loud that by the end of it, the chair was
>>> drunk and slurring words.
>>>
>>> Is this how this board is going to allow the selection of our
>>> Presidential
>>> and Vice-Presidential nominees to proceed?  With a chair hostile to
>>> delegate rights just gaveling through?  We owe better to our members.
>>>
>>> All of this is on top of the MANY, MANY complaints we are getting about
>>> delegates not having received the notices/links, not being able to enter
>>> the room, etc.  All the other execution problems are also serious, but to
>>> me are secondary to the reality that the chair intends to bulldoze all of
>>> us.
>>>
>>> The chair keeps saying that we will try to follow our existing rules as
>>> closely as possible.  In this meeting, he declared that election voting
>>> will just be each delegation figuring out for themselves how to vote, and
>>> they can do it any way they want, and then these 51 sets of results get
>>> submitted.  (By the way, the Secretary has been told that these votes
>>> will
>>> first go through staff and not even be submitted directly to her...there
>>> should NOT be a middle-man!!)  In the meeting I pointed out that our
>>> Convention Rule 10 requires these delegation votes to be by written
>>> ballot,
>>> and the individual ballots submitted for tellers to double-check the
>>> tallies.  I asked how this plan is compliant with our rules.  I explained
>>> the reason this rule exists is that we have discovered MANY, MANY errors
>>> in
>>> delegation tallies, and we need double-checking to minimize the chances
>>> of
>>> announcing incorrect election results.  The chair was dismissive, oh
>>> well,
>>> we'll do our best...
>>>
>>> It is important that delegate votes be counted properly, and these are
>>> not
>>> issues that we can afford to take lightly.
>>>
>>> I'm not unsympathetic to the couple of states with early deadlines, but
>>> we
>>> just need to use lawyers and fight for judicial relief in those states.
>>> Why is that not already being done anyway?
>>>
>>> -Alicia
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 9:36 PM Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> > We have an electronic mail ballot.
>>> >
>>> > Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by May 20 2020 at 11:59:59 pm
>>> > Pacific time.
>>> >
>>> > Co-Sponsors:  Bilyeu, Harlos, Hewitt, Mattson, Smith
>>> >
>>> > =============================================
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Motion: Rescind in its entirety the motion adopted during the May 9,
>>> 2020
>>> > LNC
>>> >
>>> > meeting, which called for a convention to begin on May 22, 2020 with
>>> >
>>> > business conducted online.  Instead, in accordance with Bylaw Article
>>> 10.1,
>>> >
>>> > the LNC calls an in-person convention to occur during the dates of July
>>> >
>>> > 8-12, 2020 at Rosen Shingle Creek in Orlando, Florida.
>>> >
>>> > =============================================
>>> >
>>> > THRESHOLD REQUIRED:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes here:
>>> > https://tinyurl.com/ballot200513-1.  Votes are noted with a link to
>>> the
>>> > actual ballot cast for verification. You can find the time that the
>>> manual
>>> > tally was last updated at the bottom of the sheet.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Please notify me of any discrepancies.
>>> >
>>> > *  In Liberty,*
>>> > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
>>> > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>>> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
>>> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
>>> faux
>>> > pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me know.
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>>> >
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>> --
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>> *In Liberty,*
>>
>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
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> *In Liberty,*
>
> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>
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