[Lnc-business] EMAIL BALLOT 200513-1 MOTION TO RESCIND MAY 9 MOTION DESCRIBED BELOW

Thu May 14 15:27:43 EDT 2020

I thought that perhaps members might want this information.

Here is the Policy Manual provision:

*1) ElectronicMailBallots*

Notification of an electronic mail ballot shall be made by the Secretary by
electronic mail within three (3) days of the question being submitted by
the Chair or cosponsored by a sufficient number of LNC members. This
notification shall not include an accompanying argument for or against
passage of the motion. An LNC Member may change their vote on an electronic
mail ballot, provided that the change is received by the Secretary by the
deadline for return of ballots.

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Note, only the first email (the ballot) cannot contain debate.  The LNC
considered extending this to the whole ballot chain and rejected it.    See
page 45 of these minutes for the change:

https://www.lp.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/2018_09_29-30_LNC_Minutes-approved.pdf

You can watch the meeting and hear the arguments for yourself here:

https://lpedia.org/wiki/LNC_Meeting_29-30_September_2018

I trust this answers your questions.  This decision was made on my watch,
and I am pretty meticulous about my record keeping.

*In Liberty,*

* Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
(part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *

On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 1:18 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
wrote:

> You are incorrect.  We are allowed to debate on email ballots and anyone
> may debate.  If you go back through the history of email ballots (look at
> voting tally spreadsheet for links) you will see.
>
> If you would like the Policy Manual provision that addresses this and a
> link to the video of a very recent LNC meeting where this was discussed I
> can provide that to you.  Let me know.
>
> On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 1:05 PM Francis Wendt <francis.wendt at lp.org>
> wrote:
>
>> I thought there wasn't supposed to be debate on email ballots. I may be
>> wrong, but as the Secretary is actually the one tabulating the ballot is
>> it not improper to engage in debate as an active motion is out for vote?
>> There have been calls on the chairs actions. The Secretary is a little
>> over the line in my opinion.
>>
>> ---
>> FRANCIS WENDT
>> LNC Region 1 Alternate
>>   406.595.5111
>>
>> On 2020-05-14 12:59, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>> > The state chairs in general I have spoken to object to the entire
>> > process
>> > even if it worked properly.
>> >
>> > They are self-organizing to present the LNC a resolution that I will
>> > support pretty much no matter what it says.
>> >
>> > Since we do not have a viable alternative that will give a solution and
>> > this would bring us back to zero I withdraw my vote and change to
>> > abstain .
>> >
>> > I do not support the procedure we are using.  I do however support the
>> > compromise.
>> >
>> > I can’t go back to zero without having a plan b.  But I also cannot
>> > grant
>> > my approval to the process we are now doing which the state chairs also
>> > oppose.
>> >
>> > An abstain at this point represents my feelings.
>> >
>> > I do not believe the LNC is capable (nor at this point terribly
>> > concerned
>> > about) member rights.  I don’t think what the state chairs will propose
>> > is
>> > perfect either.
>> >
>> > But I do know that the state chairs know what’s best for their
>> > delegations
>> > more than we do.
>> >
>> > A yes vote without an alternative destroys the compromise and I gave my
>> > word.
>> >
>> > A no vote supports the status quo and that is equally abhorrent as
>> > breaking
>> > my word.
>> >
>> > My abstain is my vote FOR the state chairs and telling us to back off
>> > and
>> > let them lead.
>> >
>> > On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 12:47 PM Tim Hagan via Lnc-business <
>> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I vote no.
>> >>
>> >> We have to remember that these test runs are just that, tests. We're
>> >> finding out what works for us and what doesn't (the Yes/No buttons),
>> >> and
>> >> I expect the next test will be more fine-tuned using the experiences
>> >> gathered from the previous test runs.
>> >>
>> >> ---
>> >> Tim Hagan
>> >> Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
>> >>
>> >> On 2020-05-13 21:36, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>> >> > We have an electronic mail ballot.
>> >> >
>> >> > Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by May 20 2020 at 11:59:59 pm
>> >> > Pacific time.
>> >> >
>> >> > Co-Sponsors:  Bilyeu, Harlos, Hewitt, Mattson, Smith
>> >> >
>> >> > =============================================
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Motion: Rescind in its entirety the motion adopted during the May 9,
>> >> > 2020
>> >> > LNC
>> >> >
>> >> > meeting, which called for a convention to begin on May 22, 2020 with
>> >> >
>> >> > business conducted online.  Instead, in accordance with Bylaw Article
>> >> > 10.1,
>> >> >
>> >> > the LNC calls an in-person convention to occur during the dates of
>> July
>> >> >
>> >> > 8-12, 2020 at Rosen Shingle Creek in Orlando, Florida.
>> >> >
>> >> > =============================================
>> >> >
>> >> > THRESHOLD REQUIRED:
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes here:
>> >> > https://tinyurl.com/ballot200513-1.  Votes are noted with a link to
>> the
>> >> > actual ballot cast for verification. You can find the time that the
>> >> > manual
>> >> > tally was last updated at the bottom of the sheet.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Please notify me of any discrepancies.
>> >> >
>> >> > *  In Liberty,*
>> >> > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>> Syndrome
>> >> > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> >> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
>> anyone
>> >> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
>> >> > faux
>> >> > pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me know.
>> >> > *
>> >>
>>
> --
>
> *In Liberty,*
>
> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>
>