[Lnc-business] Chairman's Position

Mon May 25 11:04:43 EDT 2020

Dustin, 

Apparently people on the LNC seemed concerned that a member had language
from the Orlando contract. (As witnessed at the May 24th online
convention) 

I had just written in the LPIN slack that we couldn't share what's in
the contract...and then was dumb-founded to hear numbers from the
contract being stated for all to hear on May 24th. Which meant that the
contract language wasn't a big secret like I thought.  

Then, several COC members admit that they shared the contract or
language from the contract. 

So, it would seem that an LNC member implying that the chair leaked
contract language is less of a concern, then the "who" might have leaked
it.  It's either wrong for all, or for none.  There's no it's 'ok' for
one person to leak the contract, but not others.  Which is the crux of
this discussion. 

This is neither moving forward or backward. It's being here in the
moment.  The present.  This is what is being discussed. 

---
Elizabeth Van Horn
LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)

On 2020-05-25 10:45, dustin.nanna--- via Lnc-business wrote:

> You took the words out of my mouth John. I concur. Let's move forward, not backward. 
> 
> On May 25, 2020 10:28 AM, "john.phillips--- via Lnc-business" <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> 
> Ahhh.  So we want to continue the game of distracting from the original complaint/unsubstantiated theories of things we have been told are not an actual serious concern. 
> 
> Ok.  Carry on playing games.  This crap is why there is a FB group called No Incumbents for LNC.   
> 
> Oh and EVH, you might note that neither earlier nor now did I single out a name or side. Intentionally. As I have done many times.  However, as the saying goes, anyone who feels like the shoe fits is more than welcome to continue chewing on the shoe leather. Perhaps a few that think it does not should reconsider. 
> 
> John Phillips
> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
> Cell 217-412-5973 
> 
> On May 25, 2020 8:59 AM, "joshua.smith--- via Lnc-business" <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> 
> Show proof, or you're just covering.  
> 
> Isn't that what you alaays day EVH? 
> 
> -Joshua  
> 
> On May 24, 2020 9:44 PM, Elizabeth Van Horn <elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
> 
> I've already been asked.  If I was interested in naming that person, I already would have.  The only reason I even brought it up was due to your comment.  Which implies that people finding out contract details, had to have come from Sarwark.  Yet, at least one member of the COC, shared the contract with others. (The person who told me is someone who is credible.) 
> 
> ---
> Elizabeth Van Horn
> LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY) 
> 
> On 2020-05-24 21:55, joshua.smith at lp.org wrote: 
> Please tell us what member of the COC put out a confidential contract please.  
> 
> Thanks, 
> Joshua  
> 
> On May 24, 2020 8:38 PM, Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> 
> Don't even start with me.  Smith brought up the subject. 
> 
> --- 
> Elizabeth Van Horn 
> LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY) 
> 
> On 2020-05-24 20:53, john.phillips--- via Lnc-business wrote: 
> 
>> Which has not one damn thing to do with his intentional misleading of the delegates. 
>> 
>> It is not the first thing to be leaked by any means, even in just the last 2 years. So meh, not anywhere near the top of the problems list  
>> 
>> How about we not try to change directions, or if you insist on it that should be separate from this one. 
>> 
>> John Phillips 
>> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative 
>> Cell 217-412-5973 
>> 
>> On May 24, 2020 7:22 PM, Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote: 
>> 
>>> Yes. 
>>> 
>>> --- 
>>> Elizabeth Van Horn 
>>> LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY) 
>>> 
>>> On 2020-05-24 20:20, Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business wrote: 
>>>> Did they tell you which member of the COC? 
>>>> 
>>>> --- 
>>>> Sam Goldstein, At Large Member 
>>>> Libertarian National Committee 
>>>> 317-850-0726 Cell 
>>>> 
>>>> On 2020-05-24 20:06, Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business wrote: 
>>>>> You wrote:   "Furthermore, I would like to know how the chair of his 
>>>>> state affiliate got ahold of the confidential info involving the 
>>>>> convention? 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I was just in chat with someone who said a member of the COC showed 
>>>>> them 
>>>>> the contract.  That person told me and three others.  So, I don't 
>>>>> think 
>>>>> there's some veil of secrecy, like I thought there was. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> --- 
>>>>> Elizabeth Van Horn 
>>>>> LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY) 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 2020-05-24 18:45, joshua.smith--- via Lnc-business wrote: 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'm with Sam. Quit treating the chair like he is dumb. He knows 
>>>>>> exactly what it said, and put out only what he wanted the delegates 
>>>>>> to hear. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Grave overstep. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Furthermore, I would like to know how the chair of his state 
>>>>>> affiliate got ahold of the confidential info involving the 
>>>>>> convention? 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I would also like to say thank you to our Vice Chair Alex Merced for 
>>>>>> handling the end of that convention with style and grace. Job well 
>>>>>> done sir. You will be sorely missed after this term. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Your friend in liberty 
>>>>>> Joshua 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On May 24, 2020 5:26 PM, Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business 
>>>>>> <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote: 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> It was not misleading.  It was a flat out lie. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> --- 
>>>>>>> Sam Goldstein, At Large Member 
>>>>>>> Libertarian National Committee 
>>>>>>> 317-850-0726 Cell 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 2020-05-24 17:02, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote: 
>>>>>>>> That statement by the chair on the contract was misleading.  I will 
>>>>>>>> not 
>>>>>>>> presume it was intentional.  I hope it was not. That would be bad. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 2:52 PM Caryn Ann Harlos 
>>>>>>>> <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> 
>>>>>>>> wrote: 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I agree.  And the attacks on political opponents from the virtual 
>>>>>>>>> dias 
>>>>>>>>> were an inappropriate abuse of privilege. 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 2:43 PM Whitney Bilyeu via Lnc-business < 
>>>>>>>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote: 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Mr. Sarwark should have made this known to EVERYONE on Friday 
>>>>>>>>>> night. 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> --