[Lnc-business] EMAIL BALLOT 200524-01: Authorize Signing of Orlando Contract
Alicia Mattson
alicia.mattson at lp.org
Mon May 25 14:39:43 EDT 2020
John, the LNC has delegated the authority for contract negotiation to the
COC. We get legal counsel review. The LNC does not typically approve the
contract. That is not part of the usual process. It wasn't part of the
process when this LNC chose Reno for 2022 and D.C. for 2024. This time COC
has chosen to expand the number of eyes on it and share the contract with
the LNC because of all the political games being played.
All:
I'm going to do another hard read of the contract and our legal counsel's
comments before the COC meeting tonight.
I know some have been trying to use scare tactics to manipulate the
delegates with fears about financial risk, etc.
When there is a clause that says our food & beverage requirement is $X, it
is the legal counsel's job to say, "I want to draw your attention to this
item, which is a financial risk." He isn't opining about whether it's a
reasonable number in the circumstances. That's for the COC to evaluate,
and we have. Our counsel is making sure we are aware of it. And we are.
And the number in this contract is very comfortable to the COC. It is
WAAAAY lower than the number in a typical convention contract. Same thing
with room block attrition. Yes, it is a non-zero risk, but the COC has
discussed it in the context of potential low-turnout due to COVID-19, in
context of historical numbers, and we're very comfortable that we can meet
these requirements. When someone portray's counsel's highlight of the
number to say, "there are concerns" well that's not really a fair
representation.
People are too willing to fan the flames of hysteria without the underlying
facts. The facts will be up for discussion on the COC meeting tonight.
We'll show you historical comparison data. Then let's get on with it
because it's only 45 days until the convention needs to call to order in
Orlando.
-Alicia
On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 11:01 AM john.phillips--- via Lnc-business <
lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> I m not reading through all that today, I did skim.
>
> Here is my suggestion.
>
> Amend the wording to say "upon LNC approval of the contract with *insert
> venue name here* we authorize execution of the contract by signature of two
> (2) elected party officers ..."
>
> Ensures contract approval first, lets us move ahead with this, and
> provides a check by requiring 2 sigs.
>
> It doesn't have to be a battle when solutions to the objections are easy.
>
> John Phillips
> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
> Cell 217-412-5973
>
> On May 25, 2020 12:15 PM, Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
> I'm glad he told you Sam, but he didn't tell me or this body. Can you
> verify those discussions?
>
> Because I've heard a lot about what the chair will do in the last two
> weeks
> and not a lick of it has come to pass.
>
> * Gavel in austin, no matter what
> * Be amash's VP, then amash dropped out and Sarwark wasn't even nominated
> with enough tokens
> * Hijack the convention and force everything online
> Etc
> Etc
> Etc
>
> Our chair is no saint. I can confirm some of the things that have been put
> out there that atest to his character, but I am tired of fear of what our
> chair might do dictating actions of this board.
>
> We have procedures.
> They should be followed.
> If they are not, the LNC can then react appropriately.
>
> Believe me. I will be one of the first to motion to remove Nick from
> office
> if he refuses to sign but just like we had to follow our rules to have an
> in person. We need to follow then now for contract approval.
>
> Richard Longstreth
> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
> Libertarian National Committee
> richard.longstreth at lp.org
> 931.538.9300
>
> Sent from my Mobile Device
>
> On Mon, May 25, 2020, 10:04 Sam Goldstein <sam.goldstein at lp.org> wrote:
>
> > Richard,
> >
> > The Chair told me in no uncertain terms that he would not sign a
> contract
> > for an in person convention this year. This motion does not preclude
> him
> > from changing his mind but does allow the LNC an option if he does not.
> > The hotel is not going to keep a block on our rooms forever.
> >
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > ---
> > Sam Goldstein, At Large Member
> > Libertarian National Committee
> > 317-850-0726 Cell
> >
> >
> > On 2020-05-25 12:24, Richard Longstreth wrote:
> >
> > I want to be clear here:
> >
> > I read this motion as authorizing any officer to sign the contract that
> > was recommended by the COC. So far we have only the one from Saturday as
> > recommended by them and there are concerns. The time to sign is not yet
> > ripe and the chair indicated he will not be in attendance, not that he
> will
> > not sign.
> >
> > I think a better way to do this is to have the LNC approve the contract
> > once concerns are resolved, ask Nick to sign, if he refuses, then do the
> > motion we are debating now. I think we are putting the cart before the
> > horse right now.
> >
> > Richard Longstreth
> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
> > Libertarian National Committee
> > richard.longstreth at lp.org
> > 931.538.9300
> >
> > Sent from my Mobile Device
> >
> > On Mon, May 25, 2020, 09:09 sam.goldstein--- via Lnc-business <
> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >
> >> The motion Daniel referred to is the AV contract, not the hotel
> contract.
> >>
> >> Sam Goldstein
> >>
> >> On May 25, 2020 11:59 AM, Steven Nekhaila via Lnc-business <
> >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> I would suggest that the LNC meet with Oliver Hall, our legal council,
> >> under executive session in order to be briefed on any concerns and
> >> insights that we should be made aware. At that point, the body could
> >> consult with the CoC in a separate session, and then come to a
> >> conclusion on our next course of action. Once we have all of the
> >> information, from all sides, then we can make the best recommendations.
> >>
> >> In Liberty,
> >>
> >> Steven Nekhaila
> >> Region 2 Representative
> >> Libertarian National Committee
> >>
> >> Impotentes defendere libertatum non possunt
> >> "Those without power cannot defend freedom"
> >>
> >> On 2020-05-25 11:31 AM, Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business wrote:
> >> > I change my vote to no.
> >> >
> >> > This motion came quickly and after combing through and reviewing
> >> > mountains
> >> > of emails received throughout this weekend, I see the discrepancies
> >> > noted
> >> > by Mr O'Donnell. Further, I misunderstood this motion. I took it to
> >> > read
> >> > that any officer could sign when the time was appropriate, not to
> sign
> >> > now.
> >> >
> >> > While Nick has made it clear that he will not sign the contract to me
> >> > based
> >> > on his remarks and behavior at the e-convention, authorizing anybody
> to
> >> > do
> >> > so right now is a mistake until it is fully finalized and all
> concerns
> >> > addressed. If that happens before this vote expires, I will change
> back
> >> > to
> >> > yes. I realize the convention was busy for many and encourage all on
> >> > this
> >> > body to read the relevant emails to gain a full understanding of
> where
> >> > we
> >> > stand. I don't think we are ready to sign yet.
> >> >
> >> > Richard Longstreth
> >> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
> >> > Libertarian National Committee
> >> > richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >> > 931.538.9300
> >> >
> >> > Sent from my Mobile Device
> >> >
> >> > On Mon, May 25, 2020, 08:07 justin.odonnell--- via Lnc-business <
> >> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> I vote No
> >> >>
> >> >> At 4:17 PM sunday, Mr. Hayes sent us all an email admitting that
> this
> >> >> contract had not yet been reviewed. As the revisions had just been
> >> >> recieved, despite his insistance while speaking during the
> convention
> >> >> that
> >> >> it was rock solid and had been reviewed and cleared.
> >> >>
> >> >> Mr. Goldstein has been posting on social media and on this list
> upset
> >> >> about the leak of confidential contract information, claiming its an
> >> >> issue
> >> >> because the contract is still being negotiated and we dont have a
> >> >> final
> >> >> version yet.
> >> >>
> >> >> The contract that was provided to the LNC Via Email on Saturday
> >> >> morning
> >> >> was quickly followed by remarks from Mr. Hall, the LNC's retained
> >> >> council,
> >> >> advising of what was in his opinion an incredibly unfavorable
> contract
> >> >> with
> >> >> regards to riak assignment to the LNC given the circumstances.
> >> >>
> >> >> I could be convinced to change my vote to yes, but not until the
> >> >> members
> >> >> of the CoC get on the same page and start spinning the same story
> >> >> consistently at least, rather than insisting the contract is fine
> and
> >> >> ready
> >> >> during public debate but admitting it hasnt been reviewed privately.
> >> >>
> >> >> I will also wait until the contract is returned with a favorable
> >> >> review
> >> >> from our attorney, Mr. Hall.
> >> >>
> >> >> On a side note, Region 8 will be holding an election for my
> >> >> replacement
> >> >> electronically next Week, I wish I could say it had been a pleasure
> to
> >> >> serve with everyone on this board, but unfortunately that would not
> be
> >> >> displaying the same level of honesty I'll asking of the CoC members.
> >> >> The
> >> >> last few months this board has been torn apart with childish
> >> >> factionalism
> >> >> and idiotic conflicts of personal natures. Many on this board could
> >> >> benefit
> >> >> from a re-reading of Non-Violent communication, and a realization
> that
> >> >> you
> >> >> dont need to be so quick to throw a noose over the branch at every
> >> >> percieved slight. I'm embarrased to have been part of this board the
> >> >> past
> >> >> few months, and I'm ashamed for the members of our party who have to
> >> >> explain our conduct.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Regards,
> >> >> Justin O'Donnell
> >> >> LNC Region 8 Representative
> >> >>
> >> >> On May 25, 2020 10:38 AM, Steven Nekhaila via Lnc-business <
> >> >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> I vote Aye.
> >> >>
> >> >> In Liberty,
> >> >>
> >> >> Steven Nekhaila
> >> >> Region 2 Representative
> >> >> Libertarian National Committee
> >> >>
> >> >> Impotentes defendere libertatum non possunt
> >> >> "Those without power cannot defend freedom"
> >> >>
> >> >> On 2020-05-25 09:56 AM, joshua.smith--- via Lnc-business wrote:
> >> >> > I vote yes.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > -Joshua
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On May 25, 2020 12:11 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
> >> >> > <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> We have an electronic mail ballot.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by May 31, 2020 at
> 11:59:59
> >> >> >> pm
> >> >> >> Pacific time.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Co-Sponsors: Bilyeu, Goldstein, Harlos, Longstreth, Mattson,
> >> >> >> Merced,
> >> >> >> Nekhaila, Phillips, Smith
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> =============================================
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Motion: Move to authorize any Party officer to execute the
> Orlando
> >> >> >> convention contract recommended by the Convention Oversight
> >> >> >> Committee.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> =============================================
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> THRESHOLD REQUIRED: Simple Majority
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes here:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >>
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VntkXkkuQouUiWbt9bnI_TjSMKDiTaDDpvsYtTmJdhE/edit#gid=1074776901.
>
> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> >> Votes are noted with a link to the actual ballot cast for
> >> >> >> verification. You
> >> >> >> can find the time that the manual tally was last updated at the
> >> >> >> bottom of
> >> >> >> the sheet.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Please notify me of any discrepancies.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> * In Liberty,*
> >> >> >> * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
> >> >> >> Syndrome
> >> >> >> (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
> >> >> >> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If
> >> >> >> anyone
> >> >> >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
> >> social
> >> >> >> faux
> >> >> >> pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me
> >> >> >> know. *
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>
> On May 25, 2020 12:15 PM, Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
> I'm glad he told you Sam, but he didn't tell me or this body. Can you
> verify those discussions?
>
> Because I've heard a lot about what the chair will do in the last two
> weeks
> and not a lick of it has come to pass.
>
> * Gavel in austin, no matter what
> * Be amash's VP, then amash dropped out and Sarwark wasn't even nominated
> with enough tokens
> * Hijack the convention and force everything online
> Etc
> Etc
> Etc
>
> Our chair is no saint. I can confirm some of the things that have been put
> out there that atest to his character, but I am tired of fear of what our
> chair might do dictating actions of this board.
>
> We have procedures.
> They should be followed.
> If they are not, the LNC can then react appropriately.
>
> Believe me. I will be one of the first to motion to remove Nick from
> office
> if he refuses to sign but just like we had to follow our rules to have an
> in person. We need to follow then now for contract approval.
>
> Richard Longstreth
> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
> Libertarian National Committee
> richard.longstreth at lp.org
> 931.538.9300
>
> Sent from my Mobile Device
>
> On Mon, May 25, 2020, 10:04 Sam Goldstein <sam.goldstein at lp.org> wrote:
>
> > Richard,
> >
> > The Chair told me in no uncertain terms that he would not sign a
> contract
> > for an in person convention this year. This motion does not preclude
> him
> > from changing his mind but does allow the LNC an option if he does not.
> > The hotel is not going to keep a block on our rooms forever.
> >
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > ---
> > Sam Goldstein, At Large Member
> > Libertarian National Committee
> > 317-850-0726 Cell
> >
> >
> > On 2020-05-25 12:24, Richard Longstreth wrote:
> >
> > I want to be clear here:
> >
> > I read this motion as authorizing any officer to sign the contract that
> > was recommended by the COC. So far we have only the one from Saturday as
> > recommended by them and there are concerns. The time to sign is not yet
> > ripe and the chair indicated he will not be in attendance, not that he
> will
> > not sign.
> >
> > I think a better way to do this is to have the LNC approve the contract
> > once concerns are resolved, ask Nick to sign, if he refuses, then do the
> > motion we are debating now. I think we are putting the cart before the
> > horse right now.
> >
> > Richard Longstreth
> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
> > Libertarian National Committee
> > richard.longstreth at lp.org
> > 931.538.9300
> >
> > Sent from my Mobile Device
> >
> > On Mon, May 25, 2020, 09:09 sam.goldstein--- via Lnc-business <
> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >
> >> The motion Daniel referred to is the AV contract, not the hotel
> contract.
> >>
> >> Sam Goldstein
> >>
> >> On May 25, 2020 11:59 AM, Steven Nekhaila via Lnc-business <
> >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> I would suggest that the LNC meet with Oliver Hall, our legal council,
> >> under executive session in order to be briefed on any concerns and
> >> insights that we should be made aware. At that point, the body could
> >> consult with the CoC in a separate session, and then come to a
> >> conclusion on our next course of action. Once we have all of the
> >> information, from all sides, then we can make the best recommendations.
> >>
> >> In Liberty,
> >>
> >> Steven Nekhaila
> >> Region 2 Representative
> >> Libertarian National Committee
> >>
> >> Impotentes defendere libertatum non possunt
> >> "Those without power cannot defend freedom"
> >>
> >> On 2020-05-25 11:31 AM, Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business wrote:
> >> > I change my vote to no.
> >> >
> >> > This motion came quickly and after combing through and reviewing
> >> > mountains
> >> > of emails received throughout this weekend, I see the discrepancies
> >> > noted
> >> > by Mr O'Donnell. Further, I misunderstood this motion. I took it to
> >> > read
> >> > that any officer could sign when the time was appropriate, not to
> sign
> >> > now.
> >> >
> >> > While Nick has made it clear that he will not sign the contract to me
> >> > based
> >> > on his remarks and behavior at the e-convention, authorizing anybody
> to
> >> > do
> >> > so right now is a mistake until it is fully finalized and all
> concerns
> >> > addressed. If that happens before this vote expires, I will change
> back
> >> > to
> >> > yes. I realize the convention was busy for many and encourage all on
> >> > this
> >> > body to read the relevant emails to gain a full understanding of
> where
> >> > we
> >> > stand. I don't think we are ready to sign yet.
> >> >
> >> > Richard Longstreth
> >> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
> >> > Libertarian National Committee
> >> > richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >> > 931.538.9300
> >> >
> >> > Sent from my Mobile Device
> >> >
> >> > On Mon, May 25, 2020, 08:07 justin.odonnell--- via Lnc-business <
> >> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> I vote No
> >> >>
> >> >> At 4:17 PM sunday, Mr. Hayes sent us all an email admitting that
> this
> >> >> contract had not yet been reviewed. As the revisions had just been
> >> >> recieved, despite his insistance while speaking during the
> convention
> >> >> that
> >> >> it was rock solid and had been reviewed and cleared.
> >> >>
> >> >> Mr. Goldstein has been posting on social media and on this list
> upset
> >> >> about the leak of confidential contract information, claiming its an
> >> >> issue
> >> >> because the contract is still being negotiated and we dont have a
> >> >> final
> >> >> version yet.
> >> >>
> >> >> The contract that was provided to the LNC Via Email on Saturday
> >> >> morning
> >> >> was quickly followed by remarks from Mr. Hall, the LNC's retained
> >> >> council,
> >> >> advising of what was in his opinion an incredibly unfavorable
> contract
> >> >> with
> >> >> regards to riak assignment to the LNC given the circumstances.
> >> >>
> >> >> I could be convinced to change my vote to yes, but not until the
> >> >> members
> >> >> of the CoC get on the same page and start spinning the same story
> >> >> consistently at least, rather than insisting the contract is fine
> and
> >> >> ready
> >> >> during public debate but admitting it hasnt been reviewed privately.
> >> >>
> >> >> I will also wait until the contract is returned with a favorable
> >> >> review
> >> >> from our attorney, Mr. Hall.
> >> >>
> >> >> On a side note, Region 8 will be holding an election for my
> >> >> replacement
> >> >> electronically next Week, I wish I could say it had been a pleasure
> to
> >> >> serve with everyone on this board, but unfortunately that would not
> be
> >> >> displaying the same level of honesty I'll asking of the CoC members.
> >> >> The
> >> >> last few months this board has been torn apart with childish
> >> >> factionalism
> >> >> and idiotic conflicts of personal natures. Many on this board could
> >> >> benefit
> >> >> from a re-reading of Non-Violent communication, and a realization
> that
> >> >> you
> >> >> dont need to be so quick to throw a noose over the branch at every
> >> >> percieved slight. I'm embarrased to have been part of this board the
> >> >> past
> >> >> few months, and I'm ashamed for the members of our party who have to
> >> >> explain our conduct.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Regards,
> >> >> Justin O'Donnell
> >> >> LNC Region 8 Representative
> >> >>
> >> >> On May 25, 2020 10:38 AM, Steven Nekhaila via Lnc-business <
> >> >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> I vote Aye.
> >> >>
> >> >> In Liberty,
> >> >>
> >> >> Steven Nekhaila
> >> >> Region 2 Representative
> >> >> Libertarian National Committee
> >> >>
> >> >> Impotentes defendere libertatum non possunt
> >> >> "Those without power cannot defend freedom"
> >> >>
> >> >> On 2020-05-25 09:56 AM, joshua.smith--- via Lnc-business wrote:
> >> >> > I vote yes.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > -Joshua
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On May 25, 2020 12:11 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
> >> >> > <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> We have an electronic mail ballot.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by May 31, 2020 at
> 11:59:59
> >> >> >> pm
> >> >> >> Pacific time.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Co-Sponsors: Bilyeu, Goldstein, Harlos, Longstreth, Mattson,
> >> >> >> Merced,
> >> >> >> Nekhaila, Phillips, Smith
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> =============================================
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Motion: Move to authorize any Party officer to execute the
> Orlando
> >> >> >> convention contract recommended by the Convention Oversight
> >> >> >> Committee.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> =============================================
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> THRESHOLD REQUIRED: Simple Majority
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes here:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >>
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VntkXkkuQouUiWbt9bnI_TjSMKDiTaDDpvsYtTmJdhE/edit#gid=1074776901.
>
> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> >> Votes are noted with a link to the actual ballot cast for
> >> >> >> verification. You
> >> >> >> can find the time that the manual tally was last updated at the
> >> >> >> bottom of
> >> >> >> the sheet.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Please notify me of any discrepancies.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> * In Liberty,*
> >> >> >> * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
> >> >> >> Syndrome
> >> >> >> (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
> >> >> >> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If
> >> >> >> anyone
> >> >> >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
> >> social
> >> >> >> faux
> >> >> >> pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me
> >> >> >> know. *
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>
> On May 25, 2020 12:15 PM, Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
> I'm glad he told you Sam, but he didn't tell me or this body. Can you
> verify those discussions?
>
> Because I've heard a lot about what the chair will do in the last two
> weeks
> and not a lick of it has come to pass.
>
> * Gavel in austin, no matter what
> * Be amash's VP, then amash dropped out and Sarwark wasn't even nominated
> with enough tokens
> * Hijack the convention and force everything online
> Etc
> Etc
> Etc
>
> Our chair is no saint. I can confirm some of the things that have been put
> out there that atest to his character, but I am tired of fear of what our
> chair might do dictating actions of this board.
>
> We have procedures.
> They should be followed.
> If they are not, the LNC can then react appropriately.
>
> Believe me. I will be one of the first to motion to remove Nick from
> office
> if he refuses to sign but just like we had to follow our rules to have an
> in person. We need to follow then now for contract approval.
>
> Richard Longstreth
> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
> Libertarian National Committee
> richard.longstreth at lp.org
> 931.538.9300
>
> Sent from my Mobile Device
>
> On Mon, May 25, 2020, 10:04 Sam Goldstein <sam.goldstein at lp.org> wrote:
>
> > Richard,
> >
> > The Chair told me in no uncertain terms that he would not sign a
> contract
> > for an in person convention this year. This motion does not preclude
> him
> > from changing his mind but does allow the LNC an option if he does not.
> > The hotel is not going to keep a block on our rooms forever.
> >
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > ---
> > Sam Goldstein, At Large Member
> > Libertarian National Committee
> > 317-850-0726 Cell
> >
> >
> > On 2020-05-25 12:24, Richard Longstreth wrote:
> >
> > I want to be clear here:
> >
> > I read this motion as authorizing any officer to sign the contract that
> > was recommended by the COC. So far we have only the one from Saturday as
> > recommended by them and there are concerns. The time to sign is not yet
> > ripe and the chair indicated he will not be in attendance, not that he
> will
> > not sign.
> >
> > I think a better way to do this is to have the LNC approve the contract
> > once concerns are resolved, ask Nick to sign, if he refuses, then do the
> > motion we are debating now. I think we are putting the cart before the
> > horse right now.
> >
> > Richard Longstreth
> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
> > Libertarian National Committee
> > richard.longstreth at lp.org
> > 931.538.9300
> >
> > Sent from my Mobile Device
> >
> > On Mon, May 25, 2020, 09:09 sam.goldstein--- via Lnc-business <
> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >
> >> The motion Daniel referred to is the AV contract, not the hotel
> contract.
> >>
> >> Sam Goldstein
> >>
> >> On May 25, 2020 11:59 AM, Steven Nekhaila via Lnc-business <
> >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> I would suggest that the LNC meet with Oliver Hall, our legal council,
> >> under executive session in order to be briefed on any concerns and
> >> insights that we should be made aware. At that point, the body could
> >> consult with the CoC in a separate session, and then come to a
> >> conclusion on our next course of action. Once we have all of the
> >> information, from all sides, then we can make the best recommendations.
> >>
> >> In Liberty,
> >>
> >> Steven Nekhaila
> >> Region 2 Representative
> >> Libertarian National Committee
> >>
> >> Impotentes defendere libertatum non possunt
> >> "Those without power cannot defend freedom"
> >>
> >> On 2020-05-25 11:31 AM, Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business wrote:
> >> > I change my vote to no.
> >> >
> >> > This motion came quickly and after combing through and reviewing
> >> > mountains
> >> > of emails received throughout this weekend, I see the discrepancies
> >> > noted
> >> > by Mr O'Donnell. Further, I misunderstood this motion. I took it to
> >> > read
> >> > that any officer could sign when the time was appropriate, not to
> sign
> >> > now.
> >> >
> >> > While Nick has made it clear that he will not sign the contract to me
> >> > based
> >> > on his remarks and behavior at the e-convention, authorizing anybody
> to
> >> > do
> >> > so right now is a mistake until it is fully finalized and all
> concerns
> >> > addressed. If that happens before this vote expires, I will change
> back
> >> > to
> >> > yes. I realize the convention was busy for many and encourage all on
> >> > this
> >> > body to read the relevant emails to gain a full understanding of
> where
> >> > we
> >> > stand. I don't think we are ready to sign yet.
> >> >
> >> > Richard Longstreth
> >> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
> >> > Libertarian National Committee
> >> > richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >> > 931.538.9300
> >> >
> >> > Sent from my Mobile Device
> >> >
> >> > On Mon, May 25, 2020, 08:07 justin.odonnell--- via Lnc-business <
> >> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> I vote No
> >> >>
> >> >> At 4:17 PM sunday, Mr. Hayes sent us all an email admitting that
> this
> >> >> contract had not yet been reviewed. As the revisions had just been
> >> >> recieved, despite his insistance while speaking during the
> convention
> >> >> that
> >> >> it was rock solid and had been reviewed and cleared.
> >> >>
> >> >> Mr. Goldstein has been posting on social media and on this list
> upset
> >> >> about the leak of confidential contract information, claiming its an
> >> >> issue
> >> >> because the contract is still being negotiated and we dont have a
> >> >> final
> >> >> version yet.
> >> >>
> >> >> The contract that was provided to the LNC Via Email on Saturday
> >> >> morning
> >> >> was quickly followed by remarks from Mr. Hall, the LNC's retained
> >> >> council,
> >> >> advising of what was in his opinion an incredibly unfavorable
> contract
> >> >> with
> >> >> regards to riak assignment to the LNC given the circumstances.
> >> >>
> >> >> I could be convinced to change my vote to yes, but not until the
> >> >> members
> >> >> of the CoC get on the same page and start spinning the same story
> >> >> consistently at least, rather than insisting the contract is fine
> and
> >> >> ready
> >> >> during public debate but admitting it hasnt been reviewed privately.
> >> >>
> >> >> I will also wait until the contract is returned with a favorable
> >> >> review
> >> >> from our attorney, Mr. Hall.
> >> >>
> >> >> On a side note, Region 8 will be holding an election for my
> >> >> replacement
> >> >> electronically next Week, I wish I could say it had been a pleasure
> to
> >> >> serve with everyone on this board, but unfortunately that would not
> be
> >> >> displaying the same level of honesty I'll asking of the CoC members.
> >> >> The
> >> >> last few months this board has been torn apart with childish
> >> >> factionalism
> >> >> and idiotic conflicts of personal natures. Many on this board could
> >> >> benefit
> >> >> from a re-reading of Non-Violent communication, and a realization
> that
> >> >> you
> >> >> dont need to be so quick to throw a noose over the branch at every
> >> >> percieved slight. I'm embarrased to have been part of this board the
> >> >> past
> >> >> few months, and I'm ashamed for the members of our party who have to
> >> >> explain our conduct.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Regards,
> >> >> Justin O'Donnell
> >> >> LNC Region 8 Representative
> >> >>
> >> >> On May 25, 2020 10:38 AM, Steven Nekhaila via Lnc-business <
> >> >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> I vote Aye.
> >> >>
> >> >> In Liberty,
> >> >>
> >> >> Steven Nekhaila
> >> >> Region 2 Representative
> >> >> Libertarian National Committee
> >> >>
> >> >> Impotentes defendere libertatum non possunt
> >> >> "Those without power cannot defend freedom"
> >> >>
> >> >> On 2020-05-25 09:56 AM, joshua.smith--- via Lnc-business wrote:
> >> >> > I vote yes.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > -Joshua
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On May 25, 2020 12:11 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
> >> >> > <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> We have an electronic mail ballot.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by May 31, 2020 at
> 11:59:59
> >> >> >> pm
> >> >> >> Pacific time.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Co-Sponsors: Bilyeu, Goldstein, Harlos, Longstreth, Mattson,
> >> >> >> Merced,
> >> >> >> Nekhaila, Phillips, Smith
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> =============================================
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Motion: Move to authorize any Party officer to execute the
> Orlando
> >> >> >> convention contract recommended by the Convention Oversight
> >> >> >> Committee.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> =============================================
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> THRESHOLD REQUIRED: Simple Majority
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes here:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >>
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VntkXkkuQouUiWbt9bnI_TjSMKDiTaDDpvsYtTmJdhE/edit#gid=1074776901.
>
> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> >> Votes are noted with a link to the actual ballot cast for
> >> >> >> verification. You
> >> >> >> can find the time that the manual tally was last updated at the
> >> >> >> bottom of
> >> >> >> the sheet.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Please notify me of any discrepancies.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> * In Liberty,*
> >> >> >> * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
> >> >> >> Syndrome
> >> >> >> (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
> >> >> >> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If
> >> >> >> anyone
> >> >> >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
> >> social
> >> >> >> faux
> >> >> >> pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me
> >> >> >> know. *
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> >>
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