[Lnc-business] EMAIL BALLOT 200524-01: Authorize Signing of Orlando Contract
Sam Goldstein
sam.goldstein at lp.org
Mon May 25 17:15:45 EDT 2020
Yes, in case the case does not sign the contract we have a fall back
procedure with buyin from the LNC.
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Sam Goldstein, At Large Member
Libertarian National Committee
317-850-0726 Cell
On 2020-05-25 15:32, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
> And it is not our normal procedure for the LNC to approve the contract.
> Where did that comes from?
>
> The prior motions all approved the venue and authorized the chair to
> sign
> on favorable terms.
>
> Are we adding new procedure now?
>
> On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 1:14 PM Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
>> Richard,
>>
>> You will have to take my word for it since he express that thought to
>> me
>> in a private telephone conversation about two weeks ago. And this
>> motion does not preclude the Chair from signing the final version of
>> the
>> contract if he changes his mind. I am not advocating removing him
>> from
>> office and would have to do very hard thinking before I voted for such
>> an extreme measure.
>>
>> ---
>> Sam Goldstein, At Large Member
>> Libertarian National Committee
>> 317-850-0726 Cell
>>
>> On 2020-05-25 13:15, Richard Longstreth wrote:
>>
>> > I'm glad he told you Sam, but he didn't tell me or this body. Can you
>> verify those discussions?
>> >
>> > Because I've heard a lot about what the chair will do in the last two
>> weeks and not a lick of it has come to pass.
>> >
>> > * Gavel in austin, no matter what
>> > * Be amash's VP, then amash dropped out and Sarwark wasn't even
>> nominated with enough tokens
>> > * Hijack the convention and force everything online
>> > Etc
>> > Etc
>> > Etc
>> >
>> > Our chair is no saint. I can confirm some of the things that have been
>> put out there that atest to his character, but I am tired of fear of
>> what
>> our chair might do dictating actions of this board.
>> >
>> > We have procedures.
>> > They should be followed.
>> > If they are not, the LNC can then react appropriately.
>> >
>> > Believe me. I will be one of the first to motion to remove Nick from
>> office if he refuses to sign but just like we had to follow our rules
>> to
>> have an in person. We need to follow then now for contract approval.
>> >
>> > Richard Longstreth
>> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
>> > Libertarian National Committee
>> > richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> > 931.538.9300
>> >
>> > Sent from my Mobile Device
>> >
>> > On Mon, May 25, 2020, 10:04 Sam Goldstein <sam.goldstein at lp.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > Richard,
>> >
>> > The Chair told me in no uncertain terms that he would not sign a
>> contract for an in person convention this year. This motion does not
>> preclude him from changing his mind but does allow the LNC an option
>> if he
>> does not. The hotel is not going to keep a block on our rooms
>> forever.
>> >
>> > Sincerely,
>> >
>> > ---
>> > Sam Goldstein, At Large Member
>> > Libertarian National Committee
>> > 317-850-0726 Cell
>> >
>> > On 2020-05-25 12:24, Richard Longstreth wrote:
>> > I want to be clear here:
>> >
>> > I read this motion as authorizing any officer to sign the contract that
>> was recommended by the COC. So far we have only the one from Saturday
>> as
>> recommended by them and there are concerns. The time to sign is not
>> yet
>> ripe and the chair indicated he will not be in attendance, not that he
>> will
>> not sign.
>> >
>> > I think a better way to do this is to have the LNC approve the contract
>> once concerns are resolved, ask Nick to sign, if he refuses, then do
>> the
>> motion we are debating now. I think we are putting the cart before the
>> horse right now.
>> > Richard Longstreth
>> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
>> > Libertarian National Committee
>> > richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> > 931.538.9300
>> >
>> > Sent from my Mobile Device
>> >
>> > On Mon, May 25, 2020, 09:09 sam.goldstein--- via Lnc-business <
>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> > The motion Daniel referred to is the AV contract, not the hotel
>> contract.
>> >
>> > Sam Goldstein
>> >
>> > On May 25, 2020 11:59 AM, Steven Nekhaila via Lnc-business <
>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > I would suggest that the LNC meet with Oliver Hall, our legal council,
>> > under executive session in order to be briefed on any concerns and
>> > insights that we should be made aware. At that point, the body could
>> > consult with the CoC in a separate session, and then come to a
>> > conclusion on our next course of action. Once we have all of the
>> > information, from all sides, then we can make the best recommendations.
>> >
>> > In Liberty,
>> >
>> > Steven Nekhaila
>> > Region 2 Representative
>> > Libertarian National Committee
>> >
>> > Impotentes defendere libertatum non possunt
>> > "Those without power cannot defend freedom"
>> >
>> > On 2020-05-25 11:31 AM, Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business wrote:
>> >> I change my vote to no.
>> >>
>> >> This motion came quickly and after combing through and reviewing
>> >> mountains
>> >> of emails received throughout this weekend, I see the discrepancies
>> >> noted
>> >> by Mr O'Donnell. Further, I misunderstood this motion. I took it to
>> >> read
>> >> that any officer could sign when the time was appropriate, not to sign
>> >> now.
>> >>
>> >> While Nick has made it clear that he will not sign the contract to me
>> >> based
>> >> on his remarks and behavior at the e-convention, authorizing anybody to
>> >> do
>> >> so right now is a mistake until it is fully finalized and all concerns
>> >> addressed. If that happens before this vote expires, I will change back
>> >> to
>> >> yes. I realize the convention was busy for many and encourage all on
>> >> this
>> >> body to read the relevant emails to gain a full understanding of where
>> >> we
>> >> stand. I don't think we are ready to sign yet.
>> >>
>> >> Richard Longstreth
>> >> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
>> >> Libertarian National Committee
>> >> richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> >> 931.538.9300
>> >>
>> >> Sent from my Mobile Device
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, May 25, 2020, 08:07 justin.odonnell--- via Lnc-business <
>> >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> I vote No
>> >>>
>> >>> At 4:17 PM sunday, Mr. Hayes sent us all an email admitting that this
>> >>> contract had not yet been reviewed. As the revisions had just been
>> >>> recieved, despite his insistance while speaking during the convention
>> >>> that
>> >>> it was rock solid and had been reviewed and cleared.
>> >>>
>> >>> Mr. Goldstein has been posting on social media and on this list upset
>> >>> about the leak of confidential contract information, claiming its an
>> >>> issue
>> >>> because the contract is still being negotiated and we dont have a
>> >>> final
>> >>> version yet.
>> >>>
>> >>> The contract that was provided to the LNC Via Email on Saturday
>> >>> morning
>> >>> was quickly followed by remarks from Mr. Hall, the LNC's retained
>> >>> council,
>> >>> advising of what was in his opinion an incredibly unfavorable contract
>> >>> with
>> >>> regards to riak assignment to the LNC given the circumstances.
>> >>>
>> >>> I could be convinced to change my vote to yes, but not until the
>> >>> members
>> >>> of the CoC get on the same page and start spinning the same story
>> >>> consistently at least, rather than insisting the contract is fine and
>> >>> ready
>> >>> during public debate but admitting it hasnt been reviewed privately.
>> >>>
>> >>> I will also wait until the contract is returned with a favorable
>> >>> review
>> >>> from our attorney, Mr. Hall.
>> >>>
>> >>> On a side note, Region 8 will be holding an election for my
>> >>> replacement
>> >>> electronically next Week, I wish I could say it had been a pleasure to
>> >>> serve with everyone on this board, but unfortunately that would not be
>> >>> displaying the same level of honesty I'll asking of the CoC members.
>> >>> The
>> >>> last few months this board has been torn apart with childish
>> >>> factionalism
>> >>> and idiotic conflicts of personal natures. Many on this board could
>> >>> benefit
>> >>> from a re-reading of Non-Violent communication, and a realization that
>> >>> you
>> >>> dont need to be so quick to throw a noose over the branch at every
>> >>> percieved slight. I'm embarrased to have been part of this board the
>> >>> past
>> >>> few months, and I'm ashamed for the members of our party who have to
>> >>> explain our conduct.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Regards,
>> >>> Justin O'Donnell
>> >>> LNC Region 8 Representative
>> >>>
>> >>> On May 25, 2020 10:38 AM, Steven Nekhaila via Lnc-business <
>> >>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> I vote Aye.
>> >>>
>> >>> In Liberty,
>> >>>
>> >>> Steven Nekhaila
>> >>> Region 2 Representative
>> >>> Libertarian National Committee
>> >>>
>> >>> Impotentes defendere libertatum non possunt
>> >>> "Those without power cannot defend freedom"
>> >>>
>> >>> On 2020-05-25 09:56 AM, joshua.smith--- via Lnc-business wrote:
>> >>>> I vote yes.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> -Joshua
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On May 25, 2020 12:11 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
>> >>>> <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> We have an electronic mail ballot.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by May 31, 2020 at 11:59:59
>> >>>>> pm
>> >>>>> Pacific time.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Co-Sponsors: Bilyeu, Goldstein, Harlos, Longstreth, Mattson,
>> >>>>> Merced,
>> >>>>> Nekhaila, Phillips, Smith
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> =============================================
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Motion: Move to authorize any Party officer to execute the Orlando
>> >>>>> convention contract recommended by the Convention Oversight
>> >>>>> Committee.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> =============================================
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> THRESHOLD REQUIRED: Simple Majority
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes here:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VntkXkkuQouUiWbt9bnI_TjSMKDiTaDDpvsYtTmJdhE/edit#gid=1074776901.
>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>> Votes are noted with a link to the actual ballot cast for
>> >>>>> verification. You
>> >>>>> can find the time that the manual tally was last updated at the
>> >>>>> bottom of
>> >>>>> the sheet.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Please notify me of any discrepancies.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> * In Liberty,*
>> >>>>> * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>> >>>>> Syndrome
>> >>>>> (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
>> >>>>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If
>> >>>>> anyone
>> >>>>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
>> >>>>> faux
>> >>>>> pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me
>> >>>>> know. *
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>>
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