[Lnc-business] EMAIL BALLOT 200524-01: Authorize Signing of Orlando Contract

Tue May 26 11:17:15 EDT 2020

The only remaining concern I have is that Nick needs to be given the
opportunity to sign before I vote Yes on this, as expressed on the COC call
last night.

Richard Longstreth
Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
Libertarian National Committee
richard.longstreth at lp.org
931.538.9300

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On Mon, May 25, 2020, 20:43 john.phillips--- via Lnc-business <
lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:

> I believe my concerns have all been covered. Yes.
>
> John Phillips
> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
> Cell 217-412-5973
>
> On May 25, 2020 10:05 PM, "Alex Merced (LNC Vice Chair) via Lnc-business" <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
> Yes
>
> Alex Merced
> Vice Chair of the Libertarian National Committee/LP
>
> > On May 25, 2020, at 5:15 PM, Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >
> > Yes, in case the case does not sign the contract we have a fall back
> procedure with buyin from the LNC.
> >
> > ---
> > Sam Goldstein, At Large Member
> > Libertarian National Committee
> > 317-850-0726 Cell
> >
> >> On 2020-05-25 15:32, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
> >> And it is not our normal procedure for the LNC to approve the contract.
> >> Where did that comes from?
> >> The prior motions all approved the venue and authorized the chair to
> sign
> >> on favorable terms.
> >> Are we adding new procedure now?
> >> On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 1:14 PM Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business <
> >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>> Richard,
> >>> You will have to take my word for it since he express that thought to
> me
> >>> in a private telephone conversation about two weeks ago.  And this
> >>> motion does not preclude the Chair from signing the final version of
> the
> >>> contract if he changes his mind.   I am not advocating removing him
> from
> >>> office and would have to do very hard thinking before I voted for such
> >>> an extreme measure.
> >>> ---
> >>> Sam Goldstein, At Large Member
> >>> Libertarian National Committee
> >>> 317-850-0726 Cell
> >>>> On 2020-05-25 13:15, Richard Longstreth wrote:
> >>> > I'm glad he told you Sam, but he didn't tell me or this body. Can
> you
> >>> verify those discussions?
> >>> >
> >>> > Because I've heard a lot about what the chair will do in the last
> two
> >>> weeks and not a lick of it has come to pass.
> >>> >
> >>> > * Gavel in austin, no matter what
> >>> > * Be amash's VP, then amash dropped out and Sarwark wasn't even
> >>> nominated with enough tokens
> >>> > * Hijack the convention and force everything online
> >>> > Etc
> >>> > Etc
> >>> > Etc
> >>> >
> >>> > Our chair is no saint. I can confirm some of the things that have
> been
> >>> put out there that atest to his character, but I am tired of fear of
> what
> >>> our chair might do dictating actions of this board.
> >>> >
> >>> > We have procedures.
> >>> > They should be followed.
> >>> > If they are not, the LNC can then react appropriately.
> >>> >
> >>> > Believe me. I will be one of the first to motion to remove Nick from
> >>> office if he refuses to sign but just like we had to follow our rules
> to
> >>> have an in person. We need to follow then now for contract approval.
> >>> >
> >>> > Richard Longstreth
> >>> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
> >>> > Libertarian National Committee
> >>> > richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> > 931.538.9300
> >>> >
> >>> > Sent from my Mobile Device
> >>> >
> >>> > On Mon, May 25, 2020, 10:04 Sam Goldstein <sam.goldstein at lp.org>
> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > Richard,
> >>> >
> >>> > The Chair told me in no uncertain terms that he would not sign a
> >>> contract for an in person convention this year.  This motion does not
> >>> preclude him from changing his mind but does allow the LNC an option
> if he
> >>> does not.  The hotel is not going to keep a block on our rooms
> forever.
> >>> >
> >>> > Sincerely,
> >>> >
> >>> > ---
> >>> > Sam Goldstein, At Large Member
> >>> > Libertarian National Committee
> >>> > 317-850-0726 Cell
> >>> >
> >>> > On 2020-05-25 12:24, Richard Longstreth wrote:
> >>> > I want to be clear here:
> >>> >
> >>> > I read this motion  as authorizing any officer to sign the contract
> that
> >>> was recommended by the COC. So far we have only the one from Saturday
> as
> >>> recommended by them and there are concerns. The time to sign is not
> yet
> >>> ripe and the chair indicated he will not be in attendance, not that he
> will
> >>> not sign.
> >>> >
> >>> > I think a better way to do this is to have the LNC approve the
> contract
> >>> once concerns are resolved, ask Nick to sign, if he refuses, then do
> the
> >>> motion we are debating now. I think we are putting the cart before the
> >>> horse right now.
> >>> > Richard Longstreth
> >>> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
> >>> > Libertarian National Committee
> >>> > richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> > 931.538.9300
> >>> >
> >>> > Sent from my Mobile Device
> >>> >
> >>> > On Mon, May 25, 2020, 09:09 sam.goldstein--- via Lnc-business <
> >>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>> > The motion Daniel referred to is the AV contract, not the hotel
> >>> contract.
> >>> >
> >>> > Sam Goldstein
> >>> >
> >>> > On May 25, 2020 11:59 AM, Steven Nekhaila via Lnc-business <
> >>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > I would suggest that the LNC meet with Oliver Hall, our legal
> council,
> >>> > under executive session in order to be briefed on any concerns and
> >>> > insights that we should be made aware. At that point, the body could
> >>> > consult with the CoC in a separate session, and then come to a
> >>> > conclusion on our next course of action. Once we have all of the
> >>> > information, from all sides, then we can make the best
> recommendations.
> >>> >
> >>> > In Liberty,
> >>> >
> >>> > Steven Nekhaila
> >>> > Region 2 Representative
> >>> > Libertarian National Committee
> >>> >
> >>> > Impotentes defendere libertatum non possunt
> >>> > "Those without power cannot defend freedom"
> >>> >
> >>> > On 2020-05-25 11:31 AM, Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business wrote:
> >>> >> I change my vote to no.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> This motion came quickly and after combing through and reviewing
> >>> >> mountains
> >>> >> of emails received throughout this weekend, I see the discrepancies
> >>> >> noted
> >>> >> by Mr O'Donnell. Further, I misunderstood this motion. I took it to
> >>> >> read
> >>> >> that any officer could sign when the time was appropriate, not to
> sign
> >>> >> now.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> While Nick has made it clear that he will not sign the contract to
> me
> >>> >> based
> >>> >> on his remarks and behavior at the e-convention, authorizing
> anybody to
> >>> >> do
> >>> >> so right now is a mistake until it is fully finalized and all
> concerns
> >>> >> addressed. If that happens before this vote expires, I will change
> back
> >>> >> to
> >>> >> yes. I realize the convention was busy for many and encourage all
> on
> >>> >> this
> >>> >> body to read the relevant emails to gain a full understanding of
> where
> >>> >> we
> >>> >> stand. I don't think we are ready to sign yet.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Richard Longstreth
> >>> >> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA,
> WY)
> >>> >> Libertarian National Committee
> >>> >> richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> >> 931.538.9300
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Sent from my Mobile Device
> >>> >>
> >>> >> On Mon, May 25, 2020, 08:07 justin.odonnell--- via Lnc-business <
> >>> >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >>> I vote No
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> At 4:17 PM sunday, Mr. Hayes sent us all an email admitting that
> this
> >>> >>> contract had not yet been reviewed. As the revisions had just been
> >>> >>> recieved, despite his insistance while speaking during the
> convention
> >>> >>> that
> >>> >>> it was rock solid and had been reviewed and cleared.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Mr. Goldstein has been posting on social media and on this list
> upset
> >>> >>> about the leak of confidential contract information, claiming its
> an
> >>> >>> issue
> >>> >>> because the contract is still being negotiated and we dont have a
> >>> >>> final
> >>> >>> version yet.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> The contract that was provided to the LNC Via Email on Saturday
> >>> >>> morning
> >>> >>> was quickly followed by remarks from Mr. Hall, the LNC's retained
> >>> >>> council,
> >>> >>> advising of what was in his opinion an incredibly unfavorable
> contract
> >>> >>> with
> >>> >>> regards to riak assignment to the LNC given the circumstances.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> I could be convinced to change my vote to yes, but not until the
> >>> >>> members
> >>> >>> of the CoC get on the same page and start spinning the same story
> >>> >>> consistently at least, rather than insisting the contract is fine
> and
> >>> >>> ready
> >>> >>> during public debate but admitting it hasnt been reviewed
> privately.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> I will also wait until the contract is returned with a favorable
> >>> >>> review
> >>> >>> from our attorney, Mr. Hall.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> On a side note, Region 8 will be holding an election for my
> >>> >>> replacement
> >>> >>> electronically next Week, I wish I could say it had been a
> pleasure to
> >>> >>> serve with everyone on this board, but unfortunately that would
> not be
> >>> >>> displaying the same level of honesty I'll asking of the CoC
> members.
> >>> >>> The
> >>> >>> last few months this board has been torn apart with childish
> >>> >>> factionalism
> >>> >>> and idiotic conflicts of personal natures. Many on this board
> could
> >>> >>> benefit
> >>> >>> from a re-reading of Non-Violent communication, and a realization
> that
> >>> >>> you
> >>> >>> dont need to be so quick to throw a noose over the branch at every
> >>> >>> percieved slight. I'm embarrased to have been part of this board
> the
> >>> >>> past
> >>> >>> few months, and I'm ashamed for the members of our party who have
> to
> >>> >>> explain our conduct.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Regards,
> >>> >>> Justin O'Donnell
> >>> >>> LNC Region 8 Representative
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> On May 25, 2020 10:38 AM, Steven Nekhaila via Lnc-business <
> >>> >>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> I vote Aye.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> In Liberty,
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Steven Nekhaila
> >>> >>> Region 2 Representative
> >>> >>> Libertarian National Committee
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Impotentes defendere libertatum non possunt
> >>> >>> "Those without power cannot defend freedom"
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> On 2020-05-25 09:56 AM, joshua.smith--- via Lnc-business wrote:
> >>> >>>> I vote yes.
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> -Joshua
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> On May 25, 2020 12:11 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
> >>> >>>> <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>>> We have an electronic mail ballot.
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>> Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by May 31, 2020 at
> 11:59:59
> >>> >>>>> pm
> >>> >>>>> Pacific time.
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>> Co-Sponsors:  Bilyeu, Goldstein, Harlos, Longstreth, Mattson,
> >>> >>>>> Merced,
> >>> >>>>> Nekhaila, Phillips, Smith
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>> =============================================
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>> Motion: Move to authorize any Party officer to execute the
> Orlando
> >>> >>>>> convention contract recommended by the Convention Oversight
> >>> >>>>> Committee.
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>> =============================================
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>> THRESHOLD REQUIRED: Simple Majority
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>> You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes
> here:
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>
> >>>
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VntkXkkuQouUiWbt9bnI_TjSMKDiTaDDpvsYtTmJdhE/edit#gid=1074776901.
>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>>> Votes are noted with a link to the actual ballot cast for
> >>> >>>>> verification. You
> >>> >>>>> can find the time that the manual tally was last updated at the
> >>> >>>>> bottom of
> >>> >>>>> the sheet.
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>> Please notify me of any discrepancies.
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>> *  In Liberty,*
> >>> >>>>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
> >>> >>>>> Syndrome
> >>> >>>>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> >>> >>>>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
> >>> >>>>> anyone
> >>> >>>>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
> social
> >>> >>>>> faux
> >>> >>>>> pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me
> >>> >>>>> know.  *
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
>
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