[Lnc-business] EMAIL BALLOT 200524-01: Authorize Signing of Orlando Contract

[Richard Longstreth]

I would like to if at all possible. Could you also link the social media
post, I've not seen it.

Richard Longstreth
Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
Libertarian National Committee
richard.longstreth at lp.org
931.538.9300

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On Tue, May 26, 2020, 08:37 Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
wrote:

> the Chair indicated publicly on social media yesterday he would not sign.
> Further, this expires the day before the contract must be signed.  Unless
> you say you are giving him the opportunity prior to expiration.
>
> *In Liberty,*
>
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> On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 9:17 AM Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
>> The only remaining concern I have is that Nick needs to be given the
>> opportunity to sign before I vote Yes on this, as expressed on the COC
>> call
>> last night.
>>
>> Richard Longstreth
>> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
>> Libertarian National Committee
>> richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 931.538.9300
>>
>> Sent from my Mobile Device
>>
>> On Mon, May 25, 2020, 20:43 john.phillips--- via Lnc-business <
>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>
>> > I believe my concerns have all been covered. Yes.
>> >
>> > John Phillips
>> > Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>> > Cell 217-412-5973
>> >
>> > On May 25, 2020 10:05 PM, "Alex Merced (LNC Vice Chair) via
>> Lnc-business" <
>> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > Yes
>> >
>> > Alex Merced
>> > Vice Chair of the Libertarian National Committee/LP
>> >
>> > > On May 25, 2020, at 5:15 PM, Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business <
>> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Yes, in case the case does not sign the contract we have a fall back
>> > procedure with buyin from the LNC.
>> > >
>> > > ---
>> > > Sam Goldstein, At Large Member
>> > > Libertarian National Committee
>> > > 317-850-0726 Cell
>> > >
>> > >> On 2020-05-25 15:32, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>> > >> And it is not our normal procedure for the LNC to approve the
>> contract.
>> > >> Where did that comes from?
>> > >> The prior motions all approved the venue and authorized the chair to
>> > sign
>> > >> on favorable terms.
>> > >> Are we adding new procedure now?
>> > >> On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 1:14 PM Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business <
>> > >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> > >>> Richard,
>> > >>> You will have to take my word for it since he express that thought
>> to
>> > me
>> > >>> in a private telephone conversation about two weeks ago.  And this
>> > >>> motion does not preclude the Chair from signing the final version of
>> > the
>> > >>> contract if he changes his mind.   I am not advocating removing him
>> > from
>> > >>> office and would have to do very hard thinking before I voted for
>> such
>> > >>> an extreme measure.
>> > >>> ---
>> > >>> Sam Goldstein, At Large Member
>> > >>> Libertarian National Committee
>> > >>> 317-850-0726 Cell
>> > >>>> On 2020-05-25 13:15, Richard Longstreth wrote:
>> > >>> > I'm glad he told you Sam, but he didn't tell me or this body. Can
>> > you
>> > >>> verify those discussions?
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > Because I've heard a lot about what the chair will do in the last
>> > two
>> > >>> weeks and not a lick of it has come to pass.
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > * Gavel in austin, no matter what
>> > >>> > * Be amash's VP, then amash dropped out and Sarwark wasn't even
>> > >>> nominated with enough tokens
>> > >>> > * Hijack the convention and force everything online
>> > >>> > Etc
>> > >>> > Etc
>> > >>> > Etc
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > Our chair is no saint. I can confirm some of the things that have
>> > been
>> > >>> put out there that atest to his character, but I am tired of fear of
>> > what
>> > >>> our chair might do dictating actions of this board.
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > We have procedures.
>> > >>> > They should be followed.
>> > >>> > If they are not, the LNC can then react appropriately.
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > Believe me. I will be one of the first to motion to remove Nick
>> from
>> > >>> office if he refuses to sign but just like we had to follow our
>> rules
>> > to
>> > >>> have an in person. We need to follow then now for contract approval.
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > Richard Longstreth
>> > >>> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA,
>> WY)
>> > >>> > Libertarian National Committee
>> > >>> > richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> > >>> > 931.538.9300
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > Sent from my Mobile Device
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > On Mon, May 25, 2020, 10:04 Sam Goldstein <sam.goldstein at lp.org>
>> > wrote:
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > Richard,
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > The Chair told me in no uncertain terms that he would not sign a
>> > >>> contract for an in person convention this year.  This motion does
>> not
>> > >>> preclude him from changing his mind but does allow the LNC an option
>> > if he
>> > >>> does not.  The hotel is not going to keep a block on our rooms
>> > forever.
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > Sincerely,
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > ---
>> > >>> > Sam Goldstein, At Large Member
>> > >>> > Libertarian National Committee
>> > >>> > 317-850-0726 Cell
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > On 2020-05-25 12:24, Richard Longstreth wrote:
>> > >>> > I want to be clear here:
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > I read this motion  as authorizing any officer to sign the
>> contract
>> > that
>> > >>> was recommended by the COC. So far we have only the one from
>> Saturday
>> > as
>> > >>> recommended by them and there are concerns. The time to sign is not
>> > yet
>> > >>> ripe and the chair indicated he will not be in attendance, not that
>> he
>> > will
>> > >>> not sign.
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > I think a better way to do this is to have the LNC approve the
>> > contract
>> > >>> once concerns are resolved, ask Nick to sign, if he refuses, then do
>> > the
>> > >>> motion we are debating now. I think we are putting the cart before
>> the
>> > >>> horse right now.
>> > >>> > Richard Longstreth
>> > >>> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA,
>> WY)
>> > >>> > Libertarian National Committee
>> > >>> > richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> > >>> > 931.538.9300
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > Sent from my Mobile Device
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > On Mon, May 25, 2020, 09:09 sam.goldstein--- via Lnc-business <
>> > >>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> > >>> > The motion Daniel referred to is the AV contract, not the hotel
>> > >>> contract.
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > Sam Goldstein
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > On May 25, 2020 11:59 AM, Steven Nekhaila via Lnc-business <
>> > >>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > I would suggest that the LNC meet with Oliver Hall, our legal
>> > council,
>> > >>> > under executive session in order to be briefed on any concerns and
>> > >>> > insights that we should be made aware. At that point, the body
>> could
>> > >>> > consult with the CoC in a separate session, and then come to a
>> > >>> > conclusion on our next course of action. Once we have all of the
>> > >>> > information, from all sides, then we can make the best
>> > recommendations.
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > In Liberty,
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > Steven Nekhaila
>> > >>> > Region 2 Representative
>> > >>> > Libertarian National Committee
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > Impotentes defendere libertatum non possunt
>> > >>> > "Those without power cannot defend freedom"
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > On 2020-05-25 11:31 AM, Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business wrote:
>> > >>> >> I change my vote to no.
>> > >>> >>
>> > >>> >> This motion came quickly and after combing through and reviewing
>> > >>> >> mountains
>> > >>> >> of emails received throughout this weekend, I see the
>> discrepancies
>> > >>> >> noted
>> > >>> >> by Mr O'Donnell. Further, I misunderstood this motion. I took it
>> to
>> > >>> >> read
>> > >>> >> that any officer could sign when the time was appropriate, not to
>> > sign
>> > >>> >> now.
>> > >>> >>
>> > >>> >> While Nick has made it clear that he will not sign the contract
>> to
>> > me
>> > >>> >> based
>> > >>> >> on his remarks and behavior at the e-convention, authorizing
>> > anybody to
>> > >>> >> do
>> > >>> >> so right now is a mistake until it is fully finalized and all
>> > concerns
>> > >>> >> addressed. If that happens before this vote expires, I will
>> change
>> > back
>> > >>> >> to
>> > >>> >> yes. I realize the convention was busy for many and encourage all
>> > on
>> > >>> >> this
>> > >>> >> body to read the relevant emails to gain a full understanding of
>> > where
>> > >>> >> we
>> > >>> >> stand. I don't think we are ready to sign yet.
>> > >>> >>
>> > >>> >> Richard Longstreth
>> > >>> >> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA,
>> > WY)
>> > >>> >> Libertarian National Committee
>> > >>> >> richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> > >>> >> 931.538.9300
>> > >>> >>
>> > >>> >> Sent from my Mobile Device
>> > >>> >>
>> > >>> >> On Mon, May 25, 2020, 08:07 justin.odonnell--- via Lnc-business <
>> > >>> >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> > >>> >>
>> > >>> >>> I vote No
>> > >>> >>>
>> > >>> >>> At 4:17 PM sunday, Mr. Hayes sent us all an email admitting that
>> > this
>> > >>> >>> contract had not yet been reviewed. As the revisions had just
>> been
>> > >>> >>> recieved, despite his insistance while speaking during the
>> > convention
>> > >>> >>> that
>> > >>> >>> it was rock solid and had been reviewed and cleared.
>> > >>> >>>
>> > >>> >>> Mr. Goldstein has been posting on social media and on this list
>> > upset
>> > >>> >>> about the leak of confidential contract information, claiming
>> its
>> > an
>> > >>> >>> issue
>> > >>> >>> because the contract is still being negotiated and we dont have
>> a
>> > >>> >>> final
>> > >>> >>> version yet.
>> > >>> >>>
>> > >>> >>> The contract that was provided to the LNC Via Email on Saturday
>> > >>> >>> morning
>> > >>> >>> was quickly followed by remarks from Mr. Hall, the LNC's
>> retained
>> > >>> >>> council,
>> > >>> >>> advising of what was in his opinion an incredibly unfavorable
>> > contract
>> > >>> >>> with
>> > >>> >>> regards to riak assignment to the LNC given the circumstances.
>> > >>> >>>
>> > >>> >>> I could be convinced to change my vote to yes, but not until the
>> > >>> >>> members
>> > >>> >>> of the CoC get on the same page and start spinning the same
>> story
>> > >>> >>> consistently at least, rather than insisting the contract is
>> fine
>> > and
>> > >>> >>> ready
>> > >>> >>> during public debate but admitting it hasnt been reviewed
>> > privately.
>> > >>> >>>
>> > >>> >>> I will also wait until the contract is returned with a favorable
>> > >>> >>> review
>> > >>> >>> from our attorney, Mr. Hall.
>> > >>> >>>
>> > >>> >>> On a side note, Region 8 will be holding an election for my
>> > >>> >>> replacement
>> > >>> >>> electronically next Week, I wish I could say it had been a
>> > pleasure to
>> > >>> >>> serve with everyone on this board, but unfortunately that would
>> > not be
>> > >>> >>> displaying the same level of honesty I'll asking of the CoC
>> > members.
>> > >>> >>> The
>> > >>> >>> last few months this board has been torn apart with childish
>> > >>> >>> factionalism
>> > >>> >>> and idiotic conflicts of personal natures. Many on this board
>> > could
>> > >>> >>> benefit
>> > >>> >>> from a re-reading of Non-Violent communication, and a
>> realization
>> > that
>> > >>> >>> you
>> > >>> >>> dont need to be so quick to throw a noose over the branch at
>> every
>> > >>> >>> percieved slight. I'm embarrased to have been part of this board
>> > the
>> > >>> >>> past
>> > >>> >>> few months, and I'm ashamed for the members of our party who
>> have
>> > to
>> > >>> >>> explain our conduct.
>> > >>> >>>
>> > >>> >>>
>> > >>> >>> Regards,
>> > >>> >>> Justin O'Donnell
>> > >>> >>> LNC Region 8 Representative
>> > >>> >>>
>> > >>> >>> On May 25, 2020 10:38 AM, Steven Nekhaila via Lnc-business <
>> > >>> >>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> > >>> >>>
>> > >>> >>> I vote Aye.
>> > >>> >>>
>> > >>> >>> In Liberty,
>> > >>> >>>
>> > >>> >>> Steven Nekhaila
>> > >>> >>> Region 2 Representative
>> > >>> >>> Libertarian National Committee
>> > >>> >>>
>> > >>> >>> Impotentes defendere libertatum non possunt
>> > >>> >>> "Those without power cannot defend freedom"
>> > >>> >>>
>> > >>> >>> On 2020-05-25 09:56 AM, joshua.smith--- via Lnc-business wrote:
>> > >>> >>>> I vote yes.
>> > >>> >>>>
>> > >>> >>>> -Joshua
>> > >>> >>>>
>> > >>> >>>> On May 25, 2020 12:11 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
>> > >>> >>>> <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> > >>> >>>>
>> > >>> >>>>> We have an electronic mail ballot.
>> > >>> >>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>> Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by May 31, 2020 at
>> > 11:59:59
>> > >>> >>>>> pm
>> > >>> >>>>> Pacific time.
>> > >>> >>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>> Co-Sponsors:  Bilyeu, Goldstein, Harlos, Longstreth, Mattson,
>> > >>> >>>>> Merced,
>> > >>> >>>>> Nekhaila, Phillips, Smith
>> > >>> >>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>> =============================================
>> > >>> >>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>> Motion: Move to authorize any Party officer to execute the
>> > Orlando
>> > >>> >>>>> convention contract recommended by the Convention Oversight
>> > >>> >>>>> Committee.
>> > >>> >>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>> =============================================
>> > >>> >>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>> THRESHOLD REQUIRED: Simple Majority
>> > >>> >>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>> You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes
>> > here:
>> > >>> >>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>
>> > >>> >>>
>> > >>>
>> >
>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VntkXkkuQouUiWbt9bnI_TjSMKDiTaDDpvsYtTmJdhE/edit#gid=1074776901
>> .
>> >
>> > >>> >>>
>> > >>> >>>>> Votes are noted with a link to the actual ballot cast for
>> > >>> >>>>> verification. You
>> > >>> >>>>> can find the time that the manual tally was last updated at
>> the
>> > >>> >>>>> bottom of
>> > >>> >>>>> the sheet.
>> > >>> >>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>> Please notify me of any discrepancies.
>> > >>> >>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>> *  In Liberty,*
>> > >>> >>>>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>> > >>> >>>>> Syndrome
>> > >>> >>>>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> > >>> >>>>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.
>> If
>> > >>> >>>>> anyone
>> > >>> >>>>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
>> > social
>> > >>> >>>>> faux
>> > >>> >>>>> pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let
>> me
>> > >>> >>>>> know.  *
>> > >>> >>>
>> > >>> >>>
>> > >>> >>>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
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