[Lnc-business] LP members personal emails-How is this shared?

Wed May 27 11:39:16 EDT 2020

Mr. Smith -- can you share the list you got with me?  Based on who is in it
I can tell WHEN the copy was made.
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Daniel Fishman
Executive Director
The Libertarian Party
Join Us <http://www.lp.org/join>

On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 11:06 AM justin.odonnell--- via Lnc-business <
lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:

> Maybe it's telling that members arent3 complaining about contact from
> campaigns, or caucuses. Theyre only complaining about contact from you.
>
> Perhaps you should read the room Mr. Smith...
>
> Justin O'Donnell
> LNC Region 8 Representative
>
> On May 27, 2020 10:14 AM, "joshua.smith--- via Lnc-business" <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
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> Francis,
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> Either levy an accusation, or move on. Campaigns are allowed to share data
> (I bet we sure hope that Jo's campaign shares data with us). I have not
> worked in an unethical manner here, and I'd appreciate you either bringing
> legitimate accusation if that's what you're here to do, or desisting of
> making you're own speculations on the public business list. Seems to me
> that you're trying to get some political expediency points to cover that
> people are calling Nick out for OBVIOUS unethical tactics.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Joshua
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> On May 26, 2020 10:50 PM, Francis Wendt <francis.wendt at lp.org> wrote:
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> All,
>
> I would like to point out that I asked for the emails to the Region 1
> delegates and alternates to facilitate the survey I conducted which was
> entered into the record at our May 9 meeting.
>
> I was denied by Ms. Hogarth and I accepted that, and then worked through
> the state and delegate chairs to still garner a list of about 70 responses.
>
> Mr. Smith, did it not occur to you that the list was not public knowledge,
> and that as a member of the LNC you should have attempted to ascertain why
> confidential information was being distributed rather than use it for you
> chair campaign?
>
> You talk about the deplorable acts of the chair and his need to resign,
> but I ask in earnest, have you ever heard of a duty of loyalty required of
> non-profit boards?
>
> For convenience I find the following article informative:
>
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> https://nonprofitquarterly.org/nonprofit-board-governance-responsibilities-basic-guide/
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> If anyone else wants to take a few notes on this article I highly suggest
> it, because this is the standard of operations in any board room across the
> country. If we want to be taken seriously, we must act professionally.
>
>
> In other words Mr. Smith, if you can tell me that you have acted in all of
> these capacities referenced all of the time, I will sincerely apologize.
> Otherwise, dwellers of glass domiciles might want to desist in lobbing rock.
>
> I know I am preaching again, and I apologize to the body and the delegates
> reading this public list, but I for one will be immensely relieved when
> this LNC term ends on July 12, 2020.
>
> respectfully,
>
>
> *Francis Wendt*
> LNC Region 1 Alternate
> 406.595.5111
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>
> On 2020-05-26 21:17, joshua.smith--- via Lnc-business wrote:
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> The CAN-SPAM act applies to commercial messages from businesses
> advertising new merch. Seeing as I was offering no services on behalf of a
> business, there is no violation.
>
> Here is the actual language for reference:
>
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> https://www.ftc.gov/tips-advice/business-center/guidance/can-spam-act-compliance-guide-business
>
>
> I've shared no personally identifiable info with anyone. I recieved the
> list from a POTUS candidate who received it from another party member after
> asking for it(as I understood it). I've told relevent people about it.
>
> Furthermore, I've not used anything that I personally took from the party.
> Im not in any violation of the policy manual, and you're wrong.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Joshua D. Smith
>
>
> On May 26, 2020 9:28 PM, "justin.odonnell--- via Lnc-business" <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
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> The CAN-SPAM Act prohibits sending of mass emails to addresses that were
> not opted into the service, while falsely claiming that they were. For
> starters.
>
> Mr. Smith's email included the language "
> "You are receiving this email because you opted in via our website."
>
> This is a deliberate misrepresentation of the source of the contact
> information, and such a violation is subject to a $40,000 fine from the FCC
> should a member who recieved it choose to make a report about it.
>
> Also, per section 3.03 of the policy manual, section 2, the stipulations
> of the standard NDA we have signed prohibit the sharing of Personally
> identifiable information and data with any candidate for internal office
> that would grant an advantadge. So not only would you be in violation of
> your NDA, whoever shared the information with you would be as well, and you
> have a fiduciary duty to inform the LNC if you know the source of the
> information leaked.
>
> Furthermore, section 2.09 of the policy manual, section 6, expressly
> prohibits the use of party resources to support an internal election for
> party office, by using the information provided, you blatantly and clearly
> violated the policy manual amd abused party resources as a member of the
> National committee.
>
> I once again, ask you to name the source that leaked the information to
> you, and if you choose not to, than to tender your resignation as a member
> of this board, as you are clearly unwilling to abide by the standards we
> have agreed to set for ourselves with the policy manual, and have acted
> with gross neglect of your responsibilities as a member of the LNC.
>
> Justin O'Donnell
> LNC Region 8 Representative
>
> On May 26, 2020 9:53 PM, "john.phillips--- via Lnc-business" <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
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> I would like Mr Smith to answer the question about where the list was
> obtained.
>
> Particularly because there was a discussion in one of the delegates groups
> regarding it in which he said delegate lists were available for internal
> candidates by asking.  It was unclear whether that included email addresses
> or not.
>
> Full disclosure, I supported at least some of that statement because I
> received mail and txts from candidates preceding the convention. I can even
> point to where the data came from because it went to an address my state
> party mistakenly got hold of that is my fathers new house that I have never
> lived at, but was listed as a shipping address on my paypal that I used to
> make a donation to our state party.  Which the state then gave as my
> delegate information to national and I had to call Mr Fishman to correct
> the email.
>
> So it is apparent that some info is being given, perhaps some went out
> mistakenly I do not know, but an answer to the question IS important to
> track down the issue.
>
> John Phillips
> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
> Cell 217-412-5973
>
> On May 26, 2020 8:38 PM, Susan Hogarth via Lnc-business <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
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> I'm almost certain it was #1 (delegation chairs). I've spoken with several
> campaigns. I will write up a report if needed, but I know that the list of
> all delegates with full contact info was sent to 51 delegation chairs to be
> prepared for the convention. One or more of those chairs is almost
> certainly the person who shared the list. I'm not sure we can ever really
> trace such a leak. We should focus on what we can do moving forward.
>
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> The situation is further complicated by the fact that some campaigns
> worked very diligently to gather emails legitimately through effort and
> expense, and now they will be tarred by the same brush.
>
>
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> Susan Jane Hogarth
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>   Region 5 Alternate
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>   919-906-2106 (tel:919-906-2106)
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> > On May 26, 2020 at 9:07 PM,  <Daniel Fishman via Lnc-business (mailto:
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org)>  wrote:
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> >  Two guesses from me. #1 I shared the list with delegation chairs on
> Friday so they could validate that zoom invites and election buddy invites
> were going to the right places. #2 the email list of delegates was used by
> the CoC to send out the Vice Presidential token survey. --- Daniel Fishman
> Executive Director The Libertarian Party Join Us  <http://www.lp.org/join>
> On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 9:00 PM Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business  <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org>  wrote:  >  I've been asked by a Region 3 member
> to find out how Joshua Smith got  >  their personal email address. As this
> person got an email Sunday at  >  4:11 PM from Smith.  >   >  The same
> email came to my personal email, but had forgotten about it  >  until this
> member asked. I'm also curious as to how my personal email  >  was
> obtained, to be used for LNC campaign emails. There was also a  >  flood of
> POTUS campaign email to my personal email inbox over the  >  weekend.  >
> >  Is LP HQ sharing LP members personal emails? If so, under what  >
> circumstances?  >   >  --  >  Elizabeth Van Horn  >  LNC Region 3
> Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)  >
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