[Lnc-business] Fwd: Re: [COC 2018-20] number of rooms
Joe Bishop-Henchman
joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
Thu May 28 17:50:04 EDT 2020
Thank you, Sam, I'll pass that along.
Can someone forward along to me the plans you mention in the first
sentence? That might be a starting point to build from.
JBH
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Joe Bishop-Henchman
LNC Member (At-Large)
joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
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On 2020-05-28 17:41, Sam Goldstein wrote:
> Joe,
>
> The answer is that we have plans in place in the event that an entire
> state delegation is unable to travel to Orlando due to travel
> restrictions in their home state. It does not look like FL travel
> restrictions will be a problem. Even that would need a 2/3 vote of
> the delegates to approve.
>
> Otherwise we have not made any plans because what would be be planning
> for? Who would be allowed to participate remotely and to what extent?
> Just for voting on ballots and elections? Complete inclusion in
> every aspect of debate of Platform and Bylaws? Many delegates have
> stated they are going to make a floor motion to allow remote
> participation with no thought of what it would take to implement.
> That would turn into a complete disaster.
>
> I'd like to see if the Bylaws Committee can come up with a couple
> different scenarios and take it out of the hands of random delegates.
> Perhaps if that happens we can take a look at implementation.
> Depending on what might pass there might be costs involved? Who would
> pay for that? Lots of things to consider and the COC still has an
> entire convention to plan in just a few weeks.
>
>
> ---
> Sam Goldstein, At Large Member
> Libertarian National Committee
> 317-850-0726 Cell
>
> On 2020-05-28 17:27, Joe Bishop-Henchman wrote:
>> Is COC planning for remote participation by delegates who cannot
>> attend? The thread quoted below has one member saying no, while
>> several state chairs say they have been reassured by other COC members
>> that the answer is yes.
>>
>> JBH
>>
>> ------------
>> Joe Bishop-Henchman
>> LNC Member (At-Large)
>> joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>> www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
>>
>> On 2020-05-28 15:55, Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business wrote:
>>> FYi from someone who has Chaired multiple LP conventions.
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Sam Goldstein, At Large Member
>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>> 317-850-0726 Cell
>>>
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>
>>> SUBJECT:
>>> Re: [COC 2018-20] number of rooms
>>>
>>> DATE:
>>> 2020-05-28 14:57
>>>
>>> FROM:
>>> BetteRose via Conventions <conventions at hq.lp.org>
>>>
>>> TO:
>>> "conventions at hq.lp.org" <conventions at hq.lp.org>
>>>
>>> CC:
>>> BetteRose <betterose at aol.com>
>>>
>>> REPLY-TO:
>>> BetteRose <betterose at aol.com>, Convention Oversight Committee
>>> <conventions at hq.lp.org>
>>>
>>> Normally we have about an 80% attrition rate. For 1400 room nights
>>> that
>>> mean we have to fill at least 1120 room night. With this contract we
>>> have asked for 2035 room night but we have a 50% attrition which is
>>> 1018
>>> room nights to fill. That is less than a standard contract would
>>> have
>>> required. I don't see any purpose to go back to this issue. if we
>>> have
>>> 400 people stay for 3 days, we have more than enough to cover this.
>>>
>>> Yes, I know there are a lot of people who will be staying elsewhere
>>> but
>>> that always happens. We will also have a lot of people who will stay
>>> more than four nights.
>>>
>>> The room night part of this contract is excellent.
>>>
>>> BetteRose Ryan
>>> Publisher
>>> Bent Briar Publishing [1]
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Caryn Ann Harlos via Conventions <conventions at hq.lp.org>
>>> To: Erin Adams <erin.adams at lp.org>
>>> Cc: Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com>; Alex Merced
>>> <alex.merced at lp.org>; Robert S. Kraus <robert.kraus at lp.org>; Daniel
>>> Fishman <dan.fishman at lphq.org>; Convention Oversight Committee
>>> <conventions at hq.lp.org>; Tim Hagan <treasurer at lp.org>; LNC Chair
>>> <Chair at lp.org>
>>> Sent: Thu, May 28, 2020 9:00 am
>>> Subject: Re: [COC 2018-20] final survey data
>>>
>>> Erin may I see that exchange?
>>>
>>> IN LIBERTY,
>>> __
>>> _ PERSONAL NOTE: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>>> Syndrome
>>> (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
>>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If
>>> anyone
>>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
>>> faux pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me
>>> know. _
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 8:59 AM <erin.adams at lp.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The pull that was sent out used the options let Mr redpath suggested
>>>> when he asked for the poll so I'm not sure why anyone was under the
>>>> impression that it was going to be a "deeper" poll.
>>>>
>>>> Before you try to renegotiate the room night please look at the most
>>>> recent Exchange with the hotel.
>>>>
>>>> Erin Adams Region 7 alt.
>>>>
>>>> On May 28, 2020 9:47 AM, "Robert S. Kraus via Conventions"
>>>> <conventions at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Sorry, it was Susan who said she said "yes" even though she was
>>>> staying elsewhere. But my point was we were going to do a branch
>>>> survey that would dig in deeper with additional ?'s for each person
>>>> who responded. We had 816 tl room nights in Columbus BTW. I am
>>>> trying to reduce our risk & like Ms. Harlos see zero reason why we
>>>> would commit to far more rooms then we'll ever need.
>>>> The contract / terms if flexible enough that if we need more rooms,
>>>> and they are available, and there is zero reason to think they
>>>> wouldn't be available, we can get it. There is no up side to over
>>>> committing other then to increase our risk. I am providing you all
>>>> with my expert opinion that we can have a rate of $119 & lower our
>>>> rooms to 1500/300 and get everything we want. I ask for the COC's
>>>> permission to contact Doug & work out these terms before your call
>>>> today.
>>>>
>>>> In Liberty,
>>>>
>>>> Robert
>>>>
>>>> Robert S. Kraus - Operations Director
>>>> Operations at LP.org
>>>> Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
>>>> 1444 Duke Street
>>>> Alexandria, VA 22314
>>>> Phone: 202.333.0008 x 231
>>>> Direct: 571-290-5408
>>>>
>>>> Donate or Join: https://www.lp.org/leaders-staff/robert-kraus/
>>>>
>>>> Member: Association of Meeting Professionals (AMPs)
>>>> 2019 "Planner of the Year"
>>>>
>>>> On 5/28/2020 10:40 AM, Whitney Bilyeu wrote:
>>>> Can you point to somewhere I said Yes to remote participation? I
>>>> don't typically respond to FB, and I don't recall any instances of
>>>> such on that topic. Refresh my memory, if you can.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, May 28, 2020, 9:25 AM Robert S. Kraus <robert.kraus at lp.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The poll should have been done the way Ken, Bill & Dan were
>>>> planning. Which would have been structured in such a way to get more
>>>> info for the yes people such as are you planning to stay at the
>>>> venue. I strongly feel this will be more like Columbus vs. New
>>>> Orleans & Orlando esp considering we are not doing the presidential
>>>> part now - which is what my org assumptions were based on. In
>>>> addition all over FB folks are given the impression that they'll be
>>>> able to participate remotely in some fashion. Many of the comments
>>>> I've seen show that those folks, like you, answered yes even if they
>>>> do not plan on staying at the venue (because they are
>>>> participating/attending from home).
>>>>
>>>> In Liberty,
>>>>
>>>> Robert
>>>>
>>>> Robert S. Kraus - Operations Director
>>>> Operations at LP.org
>>>> Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
>>>> 1444 Duke Street
>>>> Alexandria, VA 22314
>>>> Phone: 202.333.0008 x 231
>>>> Direct: 571-290-5408
>>>>
>>>> Donate or Join: https://www.lp.org/leaders-staff/robert-kraus/
>>>>
>>>> Member: Association of Meeting Professionals (AMPs)
>>>> 2019 "Planner of the Year"
>>>>
>>>> On 5/28/2020 10:10 AM, Whitney Bilyeu wrote:
>>>> Was the poll not meant to ascertain how many are planning to attend
>>>> the in-person convention? If that was the intent, how is asking that
>>>> question biased?
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 8:44 AM Robert S. Kraus via Conventions
>>>> <conventions at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I've updated my spreadsheet to the 744. As you all know I do feel
>>>> the survey sent out was biased but despite that & the fact that most
>>>> of the maybe yes' are likely not going, I am still using the 744
>>>> number. This is in line with the examples provided for 2016/18 of
>>>> active delegates. Based on that the 1500/300 recommendation still
>>>> makes total sense. There is ZERO reason to to put more rooms in our
>>>> block then needed. This convention will not be larger / more
>>>> successful then the last 2. Anyone who thinks that is on some really
>>>> good drugs so please share.
>>>> I really feel a more detailed survey as org envisioned is needed if
>>>> you want better numbers.
>>>> In addition, I feel Daniel & I may have made an oversight in the
>>>> room rate. Below is the org offer from Shingle Creek. When we added
>>>> the $10 to master the room rate should have only gone up to $119 and
>>>> not $129. As you can see we got what we asked for in terms of space
>>>> & F&B. This rate should be adjusted, along with room nights & the
>>>> other items we talked about, on any final contract.
>>>>
>>>> In Liberty,
>>>>
>>>> Robert
>>>>
>>>> Robert S. Kraus - Operations Director
>>>> Operations at LP.org
>>>> Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
>>>> 1444 Duke Street
>>>> Alexandria, VA 22314
>>>> Phone: 202.333.0008 x 231
>>>> Direct: 571-290-5408
>>>>
>>>> Donate or Join: https://www.lp.org/leaders-staff/robert-kraus/
>>>>
>>>> Member: Association of Meeting Professionals (AMPs)
>>>> 2019 "Planner of the Year"
>>>>
>>>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>>>>
>>>> SUBJECT:
>>>> RE: Shingle Creek & LP Presidential Nominating Convention 2020
>>>>
>>>> DATE:
>>>> Thu, 30 Apr 2020 20:38:53 +0000
>>>>
>>>> FROM:
>>>> Douglas Gilstrap <DGilstrap at rosenhotels.com>
>>>>
>>>> TO:
>>>> Daniel Hayes <danielehayes at icloud.com>
>>>>
>>>> CC:
>>>> Robert Kraus <robert.kraus at lp.org>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Daniel,
>>>>
>>>> I just called, but, got your voicemail.
>>>>
>>>> I have good news. Based on the pattern and dates that we discussed
>>>> earlier this week, the Rosen Shingle Creek can offer its largest
>>>> ballroom (which is the third-largest pillar-free, carpeted ballroom
>>>> in in the US) for the LNC 2020 and has sufficient other space for
>>>> your program with the discussed social-distancing.
>>>>
>>>> We are thinking:
>>>> · Gatlin ABCD for the main room/plenary session. Gatlin ABCD
>>>> as 81,400 square-feet to be set at CR (1 at 6') with distanced rows
>>>> front-to-back. This space must be clean and clear at 11:59PM,
>>>> Sunday, July 12, 2020.
>>>> · Gatlin E1, E2, E3, E4, E5 for breakouts at 2146 square-feet
>>>> each.
>>>> · St. Johns 30/31 and St Johns 28/29, St. Johns 26/27, St.
>>>> Johns 24/25, and St. Johns 22/23 for the other five breakouts at
>>>> 2000 square-feet each.
>>>> · Meals in Panzacola F/G at 25,625 square-feet.
>>>>
>>>> The program is imagined:
>>>>
>>>> Day -2 Monday July 6, 2020 30 rooms
>>>> Day -1 Tuesday July 7, 2020 200
>>>> rooms
>>>> Day 0 Wednesday July 8, 2020 350 rooms
>>>> Day 1 Thursday July 9, 2020 400
>>>> rooms
>>>> Day 2 Friday July 10, 2020 400
>>>> rooms
>>>> Day 3 Saturday July 11, 2020 400 rooms
>>>> Day 4 Sunday July 12, 2020 325
>>>> rooms
>>>> Day 5 Monday July 13, 2020 30 rooms
>>>>
>>>> Sleeping room rate of $109 s/d, confirmed.
>>>> F&B Minimum of $40,000++ for the meeting space.
>>>>
>>>> How does this look?
>>>>
>>>> DOUGLAS GILSTRAP
>>>> Rosen Hotels & Resorts, Convention Properties
>>>> Email: dgilstrap at rosenhotels.com | Phone: 407-996-1720 | Mobile:
>>>> 407-427-3380 | Fax : 407-996-9111
>>>>
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