[Lnc-business] EMAIL BALLOT 200524-01: Authorize Signing of Orlando Contract

Sun May 31 11:08:07 EDT 2020

Region 1 has been very split on this issue with many urging to support and
at least as many urging not to support. As a result of the split in the
region and the vote now being moot due to the chair indicating he will sign
and turn in by tomorrow, I change my vote to abstain.

I would like to see and discuss a change to the policy manual for a more
permanent adjustment in our practices. If a future chair becomes
temporarily incapacitated, I do think it important that we have a way to
continue forward on such matters and we shouldn't leave it to a future LNC
to come up with the solution if we see the opportunity now.

Richard Longstreth
Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
Libertarian National Committee
richard.longstreth at lp.org
931.538.9300

Sent from my Mobile Device

On Sat, May 30, 2020, 19:26 Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:

> It is fully up to date.  If you think I missed someone please let me know.
>
> *In Liberty,*
>
> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>
>
>
> On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 7:27 PM <erin.adams at lp.org> wrote:
>
> > When will the tally be updated on this vote?
> >
> > Erin Adams Region 7 alt.
> >
> > On May 29, 2020 5:10 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >
> > It is good that we will have this in pocket though it looks like the
> chair
> > will now do his duty and sign which is far preferable.
> >
> > On Fri, May 29, 2020 at 3:54 PM Steven Nekhaila via Lnc-business <
> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Hello All,
> > >
> > > For some reason my Yes vote was not recorded, I intended to vote Yes
> > > when Mr. Merced offered his signature, as I believe the Vice Chair is
> > > the one who ought to legally be permitted to act in lieu of the Chair.
> > >
> > > In Liberty,
> > >
> > > Steven Nekhaila
> > > Region 2 Representative
> > > Libertarian National Committee
> > >
> > > Impotentes defendere libertatum non possunt
> > > "Those without power cannot defend freedom"
> > >
> > > On 2020-05-25 05:15 PM, Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business wrote:
> > > > Yes, in case the case does not sign the contract we have a fall back
> > > > procedure with buyin from the LNC.
> > > >
> > > > ---
> > > > Sam Goldstein, At Large Member
> > > > Libertarian National Committee
> > > > 317-850-0726 Cell
> > > >
> > > > On 2020-05-25 15:32, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
> > > >> And it is not our normal procedure for the LNC to approve the
> > > >> contract.
> > > >> Where did that comes from?
> > > >>
> > > >> The prior motions all approved the venue and authorized the chair to
> > > >> sign
> > > >> on favorable terms.
> > > >>
> > > >> Are we adding new procedure now?
> > > >>
> > > >> On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 1:14 PM Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business <
> > > >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> Richard,
> > > >>>
> > > >>> You will have to take my word for it since he express that thought
> > to
> > > >>> me
> > > >>> in a private telephone conversation about two weeks ago.  And this
> > > >>> motion does not preclude the Chair from signing the final version
> of
> > > >>> the
> > > >>> contract if he changes his mind.   I am not advocating removing him
> > > >>> from
> > > >>> office and would have to do very hard thinking before I voted for
> > > >>> such
> > > >>> an extreme measure.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> ---
> > > >>> Sam Goldstein, At Large Member
> > > >>> Libertarian National Committee
> > > >>> 317-850-0726 Cell
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On 2020-05-25 13:15, Richard Longstreth wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> > I'm glad he told you Sam, but he didn't tell me or this body. Can
> > you
> > > >>> verify those discussions?
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > Because I've heard a lot about what the chair will do in the last
> > two
> > > >>> weeks and not a lick of it has come to pass.
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > * Gavel in austin, no matter what
> > > >>> > * Be amash's VP, then amash dropped out and Sarwark wasn't even
> > > >>> nominated with enough tokens
> > > >>> > * Hijack the convention and force everything online
> > > >>> > Etc
> > > >>> > Etc
> > > >>> > Etc
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > Our chair is no saint. I can confirm some of the things that have
> > > been
> > > >>> put out there that atest to his character, but I am tired of fear
> of
> > > >>> what
> > > >>> our chair might do dictating actions of this board.
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > We have procedures.
> > > >>> > They should be followed.
> > > >>> > If they are not, the LNC can then react appropriately.
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > Believe me. I will be one of the first to motion to remove Nick
> > from
> > > >>> office if he refuses to sign but just like we had to follow our
> > rules
> > > >>> to
> > > >>> have an in person. We need to follow then now for contract
> approval.
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > Richard Longstreth
> > > >>> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA,
> > WY)
> > > >>> > Libertarian National Committee
> > > >>> > richard.longstreth at lp.org
> > > >>> > 931.538.9300
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > Sent from my Mobile Device
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > On Mon, May 25, 2020, 10:04 Sam Goldstein <sam.goldstein at lp.org>
> > > wrote:
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > Richard,
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > The Chair told me in no uncertain terms that he would not sign a
> > > >>> contract for an in person convention this year.  This motion does
> > not
> > > >>> preclude him from changing his mind but does allow the LNC an
> option
> > > >>> if he
> > > >>> does not.  The hotel is not going to keep a block on our rooms
> > > >>> forever.
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > Sincerely,
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > ---
> > > >>> > Sam Goldstein, At Large Member
> > > >>> > Libertarian National Committee
> > > >>> > 317-850-0726 Cell
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > On 2020-05-25 12:24, Richard Longstreth wrote:
> > > >>> > I want to be clear here:
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > I read this motion  as authorizing any officer to sign the
> > contract
> > > that
> > > >>> was recommended by the COC. So far we have only the one from
> > Saturday
> > > >>> as
> > > >>> recommended by them and there are concerns. The time to sign is not
> > > >>> yet
> > > >>> ripe and the chair indicated he will not be in attendance, not that
> > > >>> he will
> > > >>> not sign.
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > I think a better way to do this is to have the LNC approve the
> > > contract
> > > >>> once concerns are resolved, ask Nick to sign, if he refuses, then
> do
> > > >>> the
> > > >>> motion we are debating now. I think we are putting the cart before
> > > >>> the
> > > >>> horse right now.
> > > >>> > Richard Longstreth
> > > >>> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA,
> > WY)
> > > >>> > Libertarian National Committee
> > > >>> > richard.longstreth at lp.org
> > > >>> > 931.538.9300
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > Sent from my Mobile Device
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > On Mon, May 25, 2020, 09:09 sam.goldstein--- via Lnc-business <
> > > >>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> > > >>> > The motion Daniel referred to is the AV contract, not the hotel
> > > >>> contract.
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > Sam Goldstein
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > On May 25, 2020 11:59 AM, Steven Nekhaila via Lnc-business <
> > > >>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > I would suggest that the LNC meet with Oliver Hall, our legal
> > > council,
> > > >>> > under executive session in order to be briefed on any concerns
> and
> > > >>> > insights that we should be made aware. At that point, the body
> > could
> > > >>> > consult with the CoC in a separate session, and then come to a
> > > >>> > conclusion on our next course of action. Once we have all of the
> > > >>> > information, from all sides, then we can make the best
> > > recommendations.
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > In Liberty,
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > Steven Nekhaila
> > > >>> > Region 2 Representative
> > > >>> > Libertarian National Committee
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > Impotentes defendere libertatum non possunt
> > > >>> > "Those without power cannot defend freedom"
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > On 2020-05-25 11:31 AM, Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business
> wrote:
> > > >>> >> I change my vote to no.
> > > >>> >>
> > > >>> >> This motion came quickly and after combing through and reviewing
> > > >>> >> mountains
> > > >>> >> of emails received throughout this weekend, I see the
> > discrepancies
> > > >>> >> noted
> > > >>> >> by Mr O'Donnell. Further, I misunderstood this motion. I took it
> > to
> > > >>> >> read
> > > >>> >> that any officer could sign when the time was appropriate, not
> to
> > > sign
> > > >>> >> now.
> > > >>> >>
> > > >>> >> While Nick has made it clear that he will not sign the contract
> > to
> > > me
> > > >>> >> based
> > > >>> >> on his remarks and behavior at the e-convention, authorizing
> > > anybody to
> > > >>> >> do
> > > >>> >> so right now is a mistake until it is fully finalized and all
> > > concerns
> > > >>> >> addressed. If that happens before this vote expires, I will
> > change
> > > back
> > > >>> >> to
> > > >>> >> yes. I realize the convention was busy for many and encourage
> all
> > on
> > > >>> >> this
> > > >>> >> body to read the relevant emails to gain a full understanding of
> > > where
> > > >>> >> we
> > > >>> >> stand. I don't think we are ready to sign yet.
> > > >>> >>
> > > >>> >> Richard Longstreth
> > > >>> >> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA,
> > WY)
> > > >>> >> Libertarian National Committee
> > > >>> >> richard.longstreth at lp.org
> > > >>> >> 931.538.9300
> > > >>> >>
> > > >>> >> Sent from my Mobile Device
> > > >>> >>
> > > >>> >> On Mon, May 25, 2020, 08:07 justin.odonnell--- via Lnc-business
> <
> > > >>> >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> > > >>> >>
> > > >>> >>> I vote No
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>> At 4:17 PM sunday, Mr. Hayes sent us all an email admitting
> that
> > > this
> > > >>> >>> contract had not yet been reviewed. As the revisions had just
> > been
> > > >>> >>> recieved, despite his insistance while speaking during the
> > > convention
> > > >>> >>> that
> > > >>> >>> it was rock solid and had been reviewed and cleared.
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>> Mr. Goldstein has been posting on social media and on this list
> > > upset
> > > >>> >>> about the leak of confidential contract information, claiming
> > its
> > > an
> > > >>> >>> issue
> > > >>> >>> because the contract is still being negotiated and we dont have
> > a
> > > >>> >>> final
> > > >>> >>> version yet.
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>> The contract that was provided to the LNC Via Email on Saturday
> > > >>> >>> morning
> > > >>> >>> was quickly followed by remarks from Mr. Hall, the LNC's
> > retained
> > > >>> >>> council,
> > > >>> >>> advising of what was in his opinion an incredibly unfavorable
> > > contract
> > > >>> >>> with
> > > >>> >>> regards to riak assignment to the LNC given the circumstances.
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>> I could be convinced to change my vote to yes, but not until
> the
> > > >>> >>> members
> > > >>> >>> of the CoC get on the same page and start spinning the same
> > story
> > > >>> >>> consistently at least, rather than insisting the contract is
> > fine
> > > and
> > > >>> >>> ready
> > > >>> >>> during public debate but admitting it hasnt been reviewed
> > > privately.
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>> I will also wait until the contract is returned with a
> favorable
> > > >>> >>> review
> > > >>> >>> from our attorney, Mr. Hall.
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>> On a side note, Region 8 will be holding an election for my
> > > >>> >>> replacement
> > > >>> >>> electronically next Week, I wish I could say it had been a
> > > pleasure to
> > > >>> >>> serve with everyone on this board, but unfortunately that would
> > > not be
> > > >>> >>> displaying the same level of honesty I'll asking of the CoC
> > > members.
> > > >>> >>> The
> > > >>> >>> last few months this board has been torn apart with childish
> > > >>> >>> factionalism
> > > >>> >>> and idiotic conflicts of personal natures. Many on this board
> > could
> > > >>> >>> benefit
> > > >>> >>> from a re-reading of Non-Violent communication, and a
> > realization
> > > that
> > > >>> >>> you
> > > >>> >>> dont need to be so quick to throw a noose over the branch at
> > every
> > > >>> >>> percieved slight. I'm embarrased to have been part of this
> board
> > > the
> > > >>> >>> past
> > > >>> >>> few months, and I'm ashamed for the members of our party who
> > have
> > > to
> > > >>> >>> explain our conduct.
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>> Regards,
> > > >>> >>> Justin O'Donnell
> > > >>> >>> LNC Region 8 Representative
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>> On May 25, 2020 10:38 AM, Steven Nekhaila via Lnc-business <
> > > >>> >>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>> I vote Aye.
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>> In Liberty,
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>> Steven Nekhaila
> > > >>> >>> Region 2 Representative
> > > >>> >>> Libertarian National Committee
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>> Impotentes defendere libertatum non possunt
> > > >>> >>> "Those without power cannot defend freedom"
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>> On 2020-05-25 09:56 AM, joshua.smith--- via Lnc-business wrote:
> > > >>> >>>> I vote yes.
> > > >>> >>>>
> > > >>> >>>> -Joshua
> > > >>> >>>>
> > > >>> >>>> On May 25, 2020 12:11 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
> > > >>> >>>> <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> > > >>> >>>>
> > > >>> >>>>> We have an electronic mail ballot.
> > > >>> >>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>> Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by May 31, 2020 at
> > > 11:59:59
> > > >>> >>>>> pm
> > > >>> >>>>> Pacific time.
> > > >>> >>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>> Co-Sponsors:  Bilyeu, Goldstein, Harlos, Longstreth, Mattson,
> > > >>> >>>>> Merced,
> > > >>> >>>>> Nekhaila, Phillips, Smith
> > > >>> >>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>> =============================================
> > > >>> >>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>> Motion: Move to authorize any Party officer to execute the
> > > Orlando
> > > >>> >>>>> convention contract recommended by the Convention Oversight
> > > >>> >>>>> Committee.
> > > >>> >>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>> =============================================
> > > >>> >>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>> THRESHOLD REQUIRED: Simple Majority
> > > >>> >>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>> You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes
> > here:
> > > >>> >>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>>
> > >
> >
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VntkXkkuQouUiWbt9bnI_TjSMKDiTaDDpvsYtTmJdhE/edit#gid=1074776901
> > > .
> > > >>>
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>>>> Votes are noted with a link to the actual ballot cast for
> > > >>> >>>>> verification. You
> > > >>> >>>>> can find the time that the manual tally was last updated at
> > the
> > > >>> >>>>> bottom of
> > > >>> >>>>> the sheet.
> > > >>> >>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>> Please notify me of any discrepancies.
> > > >>> >>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>> *  In Liberty,*
> > > >>> >>>>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
> > > >>> >>>>> Syndrome
> > > >>> >>>>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect
> inter-personal
> > > >>> >>>>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.
> > If
> > > >>> >>>>> anyone
> > > >>> >>>>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
> > > social
> > > >>> >>>>> faux
> > > >>> >>>>> pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let
> > me
> > > >>> >>>>> know.  *
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>>
> > >
> > --
> >
> > *In Liberty,*
> >
> > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
> > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
> > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
> >
> >
> >
>