[Lnc-business] EMAIL BALLOT 200524-01: Authorize Signing of Orlando Contract

Sun May 31 15:38:40 EDT 2020

I change my vote to yes.
===
Because of the chair's excessive posturing and notes that he will not
follow our policy manual in terms of signing the approved contract from the
COC,

And because the chair has indicated a desire to sign an unapproved contract
despite being reminded of clear policy manual requirements,

And because we need to finalize arrangements with the hotel by tomorrow

I change my vote to yes.

I have given Mr Sarwark plenty of time to consider his duties. I have tried
to give the benefit of the doubt that a better contract would yield his
participation and adherence to our policies. I am at this point convinced
that we have the best possible contract in front of us, including the new
COC edits to empower the LNC to cancel. The risk is minimal to the party.
Whatever the game here is, I am no longer willing to give Mr. Sarwark any
more time and change my vote to yes so that obstructionist behavior can be
overcome and this party can hopefully (and finally) move forward.

Richard Longstreth
Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
Libertarian National Committee
richard.longstreth at lp.org
931.538.9300

Sent from my Mobile Device

On Sun, May 31, 2020, 12:18 Whitney Bilyeu <whitney.bilyeu at lp.org> wrote:

> Correction on my last email to Richard: typo on my part.
>
> Richard, it is my understanding that Nick stated he won't be signing the
> COC-approved version, and will only sign the one that DOES NOT require LNC
> approval for cancellation. So, I want to be sure you are aware of that when
> you vote.
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 2:00 PM Whitney Bilyeu <whitney.bilyeu at lp.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Richard, it is my understanding that Nick stated he won't be signing the
>> COC-approved version, and will only sign the one that requires LNC approval
>> for cancellation. So, I want to be sure you are aware of that when you vote.
>>
>> On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 10:08 AM Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business <
>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Region 1 has been very split on this issue with many urging to support
>>> and
>>> at least as many urging not to support. As a result of the split in the
>>> region and the vote now being moot due to the chair indicating he will
>>> sign
>>> and turn in by tomorrow, I change my vote to abstain.
>>>
>>> I would like to see and discuss a change to the policy manual for a more
>>> permanent adjustment in our practices. If a future chair becomes
>>> temporarily incapacitated, I do think it important that we have a way to
>>> continue forward on such matters and we shouldn't leave it to a future
>>> LNC
>>> to come up with the solution if we see the opportunity now.
>>>
>>> Richard Longstreth
>>> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>> richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> 931.538.9300
>>>
>>> Sent from my Mobile Device
>>>
>>> On Sat, May 30, 2020, 19:26 Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> > It is fully up to date.  If you think I missed someone please let me
>>> know.
>>> >
>>> > *In Liberty,*
>>> >
>>> > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
>>> > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>>> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
>>> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
>>> faux
>>> > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 7:27 PM <erin.adams at lp.org> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > When will the tally be updated on this vote?
>>> > >
>>> > > Erin Adams Region 7 alt.
>>> > >
>>> > > On May 29, 2020 5:10 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
>>> > > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > It is good that we will have this in pocket though it looks like the
>>> > chair
>>> > > will now do his duty and sign which is far preferable.
>>> > >
>>> > > On Fri, May 29, 2020 at 3:54 PM Steven Nekhaila via Lnc-business <
>>> > > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > > Hello All,
>>> > > >
>>> > > > For some reason my Yes vote was not recorded, I intended to vote
>>> Yes
>>> > > > when Mr. Merced offered his signature, as I believe the Vice Chair
>>> is
>>> > > > the one who ought to legally be permitted to act in lieu of the
>>> Chair.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > In Liberty,
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Steven Nekhaila
>>> > > > Region 2 Representative
>>> > > > Libertarian National Committee
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Impotentes defendere libertatum non possunt
>>> > > > "Those without power cannot defend freedom"
>>> > > >
>>> > > > On 2020-05-25 05:15 PM, Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business wrote:
>>> > > > > Yes, in case the case does not sign the contract we have a fall
>>> back
>>> > > > > procedure with buyin from the LNC.
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > ---
>>> > > > > Sam Goldstein, At Large Member
>>> > > > > Libertarian National Committee
>>> > > > > 317-850-0726 Cell
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > On 2020-05-25 15:32, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>>> > > > >> And it is not our normal procedure for the LNC to approve the
>>> > > > >> contract.
>>> > > > >> Where did that comes from?
>>> > > > >>
>>> > > > >> The prior motions all approved the venue and authorized the
>>> chair to
>>> > > > >> sign
>>> > > > >> on favorable terms.
>>> > > > >>
>>> > > > >> Are we adding new procedure now?
>>> > > > >>
>>> > > > >> On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 1:14 PM Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business <
>>> > > > >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>> > > > >>
>>> > > > >>> Richard,
>>> > > > >>>
>>> > > > >>> You will have to take my word for it since he express that
>>> thought
>>> > > to
>>> > > > >>> me
>>> > > > >>> in a private telephone conversation about two weeks ago.  And
>>> this
>>> > > > >>> motion does not preclude the Chair from signing the final
>>> version
>>> > of
>>> > > > >>> the
>>> > > > >>> contract if he changes his mind.   I am not advocating
>>> removing him
>>> > > > >>> from
>>> > > > >>> office and would have to do very hard thinking before I voted
>>> for
>>> > > > >>> such
>>> > > > >>> an extreme measure.
>>> > > > >>>
>>> > > > >>> ---
>>> > > > >>> Sam Goldstein, At Large Member
>>> > > > >>> Libertarian National Committee
>>> > > > >>> 317-850-0726 Cell
>>> > > > >>>
>>> > > > >>> On 2020-05-25 13:15, Richard Longstreth wrote:
>>> > > > >>>
>>> > > > >>> > I'm glad he told you Sam, but he didn't tell me or this
>>> body. Can
>>> > > you
>>> > > > >>> verify those discussions?
>>> > > > >>> >
>>> > > > >>> > Because I've heard a lot about what the chair will do in the
>>> last
>>> > > two
>>> > > > >>> weeks and not a lick of it has come to pass.
>>> > > > >>> >
>>> > > > >>> > * Gavel in austin, no matter what
>>> > > > >>> > * Be amash's VP, then amash dropped out and Sarwark wasn't
>>> even
>>> > > > >>> nominated with enough tokens
>>> > > > >>> > * Hijack the convention and force everything online
>>> > > > >>> > Etc
>>> > > > >>> > Etc
>>> > > > >>> > Etc
>>> > > > >>> >
>>> > > > >>> > Our chair is no saint. I can confirm some of the things that
>>> have
>>> > > > been
>>> > > > >>> put out there that atest to his character, but I am tired of
>>> fear
>>> > of
>>> > > > >>> what
>>> > > > >>> our chair might do dictating actions of this board.
>>> > > > >>> >
>>> > > > >>> > We have procedures.
>>> > > > >>> > They should be followed.
>>> > > > >>> > If they are not, the LNC can then react appropriately.
>>> > > > >>> >
>>> > > > >>> > Believe me. I will be one of the first to motion to remove
>>> Nick
>>> > > from
>>> > > > >>> office if he refuses to sign but just like we had to follow our
>>> > > rules
>>> > > > >>> to
>>> > > > >>> have an in person. We need to follow then now for contract
>>> > approval.
>>> > > > >>> >
>>> > > > >>> > Richard Longstreth
>>> > > > >>> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT,
>>> WA,
>>> > > WY)
>>> > > > >>> > Libertarian National Committee
>>> > > > >>> > richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> > > > >>> > 931.538.9300
>>> > > > >>> >
>>> > > > >>> > Sent from my Mobile Device
>>> > > > >>> >
>>> > > > >>> > On Mon, May 25, 2020, 10:04 Sam Goldstein <
>>> sam.goldstein at lp.org>
>>> > > > wrote:
>>> > > > >>> >
>>> > > > >>> > Richard,
>>> > > > >>> >
>>> > > > >>> > The Chair told me in no uncertain terms that he would not
>>> sign a
>>> > > > >>> contract for an in person convention this year.  This motion
>>> does
>>> > > not
>>> > > > >>> preclude him from changing his mind but does allow the LNC an
>>> > option
>>> > > > >>> if he
>>> > > > >>> does not.  The hotel is not going to keep a block on our rooms
>>> > > > >>> forever.
>>> > > > >>> >
>>> > > > >>> > Sincerely,
>>> > > > >>> >
>>> > > > >>> > ---
>>> > > > >>> > Sam Goldstein, At Large Member
>>> > > > >>> > Libertarian National Committee
>>> > > > >>> > 317-850-0726 Cell
>>> > > > >>> >
>>> > > > >>> > On 2020-05-25 12:24, Richard Longstreth wrote:
>>> > > > >>> > I want to be clear here:
>>> > > > >>> >
>>> > > > >>> > I read this motion  as authorizing any officer to sign the
>>> > > contract
>>> > > > that
>>> > > > >>> was recommended by the COC. So far we have only the one from
>>> > > Saturday
>>> > > > >>> as
>>> > > > >>> recommended by them and there are concerns. The time to sign
>>> is not
>>> > > > >>> yet
>>> > > > >>> ripe and the chair indicated he will not be in attendance, not
>>> that
>>> > > > >>> he will
>>> > > > >>> not sign.
>>> > > > >>> >
>>> > > > >>> > I think a better way to do this is to have the LNC approve
>>> the
>>> > > > contract
>>> > > > >>> once concerns are resolved, ask Nick to sign, if he refuses,
>>> then
>>> > do
>>> > > > >>> the
>>> > > > >>> motion we are debating now. I think we are putting the cart
>>> before
>>> > > > >>> the
>>> > > > >>> horse right now.
>>> > > > >>> > Richard Longstreth
>>> > > > >>> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT,
>>> WA,
>>> > > WY)
>>> > > > >>> > Libertarian National Committee
>>> > > > >>> > richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> > > > >>> > 931.538.9300
>>> > > > >>> >
>>> > > > >>> > Sent from my Mobile Device
>>> > > > >>> >
>>> > > > >>> > On Mon, May 25, 2020, 09:09 sam.goldstein--- via
>>> Lnc-business <
>>> > > > >>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>> > > > >>> > The motion Daniel referred to is the AV contract, not the
>>> hotel
>>> > > > >>> contract.
>>> > > > >>> >
>>> > > > >>> > Sam Goldstein
>>> > > > >>> >
>>> > > > >>> > On May 25, 2020 11:59 AM, Steven Nekhaila via Lnc-business <
>>> > > > >>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>> > > > >>> >
>>> > > > >>> > I would suggest that the LNC meet with Oliver Hall, our legal
>>> > > > council,
>>> > > > >>> > under executive session in order to be briefed on any
>>> concerns
>>> > and
>>> > > > >>> > insights that we should be made aware. At that point, the
>>> body
>>> > > could
>>> > > > >>> > consult with the CoC in a separate session, and then come to
>>> a
>>> > > > >>> > conclusion on our next course of action. Once we have all of
>>> the
>>> > > > >>> > information, from all sides, then we can make the best
>>> > > > recommendations.
>>> > > > >>> >
>>> > > > >>> > In Liberty,
>>> > > > >>> >
>>> > > > >>> > Steven Nekhaila
>>> > > > >>> > Region 2 Representative
>>> > > > >>> > Libertarian National Committee
>>> > > > >>> >
>>> > > > >>> > Impotentes defendere libertatum non possunt
>>> > > > >>> > "Those without power cannot defend freedom"
>>> > > > >>> >
>>> > > > >>> > On 2020-05-25 11:31 AM, Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business
>>> > wrote:
>>> > > > >>> >> I change my vote to no.
>>> > > > >>> >>
>>> > > > >>> >> This motion came quickly and after combing through and
>>> reviewing
>>> > > > >>> >> mountains
>>> > > > >>> >> of emails received throughout this weekend, I see the
>>> > > discrepancies
>>> > > > >>> >> noted
>>> > > > >>> >> by Mr O'Donnell. Further, I misunderstood this motion. I
>>> took it
>>> > > to
>>> > > > >>> >> read
>>> > > > >>> >> that any officer could sign when the time was appropriate,
>>> not
>>> > to
>>> > > > sign
>>> > > > >>> >> now.
>>> > > > >>> >>
>>> > > > >>> >> While Nick has made it clear that he will not sign the
>>> contract
>>> > > to
>>> > > > me
>>> > > > >>> >> based
>>> > > > >>> >> on his remarks and behavior at the e-convention, authorizing
>>> > > > anybody to
>>> > > > >>> >> do
>>> > > > >>> >> so right now is a mistake until it is fully finalized and
>>> all
>>> > > > concerns
>>> > > > >>> >> addressed. If that happens before this vote expires, I will
>>> > > change
>>> > > > back
>>> > > > >>> >> to
>>> > > > >>> >> yes. I realize the convention was busy for many and
>>> encourage
>>> > all
>>> > > on
>>> > > > >>> >> this
>>> > > > >>> >> body to read the relevant emails to gain a full
>>> understanding of
>>> > > > where
>>> > > > >>> >> we
>>> > > > >>> >> stand. I don't think we are ready to sign yet.
>>> > > > >>> >>
>>> > > > >>> >> Richard Longstreth
>>> > > > >>> >> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR,
>>> UT, WA,
>>> > > WY)
>>> > > > >>> >> Libertarian National Committee
>>> > > > >>> >> richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> > > > >>> >> 931.538.9300
>>> > > > >>> >>
>>> > > > >>> >> Sent from my Mobile Device
>>> > > > >>> >>
>>> > > > >>> >> On Mon, May 25, 2020, 08:07 justin.odonnell--- via
>>> Lnc-business
>>> > <
>>> > > > >>> >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>> > > > >>> >>
>>> > > > >>> >>> I vote No
>>> > > > >>> >>>
>>> > > > >>> >>> At 4:17 PM sunday, Mr. Hayes sent us all an email admitting
>>> > that
>>> > > > this
>>> > > > >>> >>> contract had not yet been reviewed. As the revisions had
>>> just
>>> > > been
>>> > > > >>> >>> recieved, despite his insistance while speaking during the
>>> > > > convention
>>> > > > >>> >>> that
>>> > > > >>> >>> it was rock solid and had been reviewed and cleared.
>>> > > > >>> >>>
>>> > > > >>> >>> Mr. Goldstein has been posting on social media and on this
>>> list
>>> > > > upset
>>> > > > >>> >>> about the leak of confidential contract information,
>>> claiming
>>> > > its
>>> > > > an
>>> > > > >>> >>> issue
>>> > > > >>> >>> because the contract is still being negotiated and we dont
>>> have
>>> > > a
>>> > > > >>> >>> final
>>> > > > >>> >>> version yet.
>>> > > > >>> >>>
>>> > > > >>> >>> The contract that was provided to the LNC Via Email on
>>> Saturday
>>> > > > >>> >>> morning
>>> > > > >>> >>> was quickly followed by remarks from Mr. Hall, the LNC's
>>> > > retained
>>> > > > >>> >>> council,
>>> > > > >>> >>> advising of what was in his opinion an incredibly
>>> unfavorable
>>> > > > contract
>>> > > > >>> >>> with
>>> > > > >>> >>> regards to riak assignment to the LNC given the
>>> circumstances.
>>> > > > >>> >>>
>>> > > > >>> >>> I could be convinced to change my vote to yes, but not
>>> until
>>> > the
>>> > > > >>> >>> members
>>> > > > >>> >>> of the CoC get on the same page and start spinning the same
>>> > > story
>>> > > > >>> >>> consistently at least, rather than insisting the contract
>>> is
>>> > > fine
>>> > > > and
>>> > > > >>> >>> ready
>>> > > > >>> >>> during public debate but admitting it hasnt been reviewed
>>> > > > privately.
>>> > > > >>> >>>
>>> > > > >>> >>> I will also wait until the contract is returned with a
>>> > favorable
>>> > > > >>> >>> review
>>> > > > >>> >>> from our attorney, Mr. Hall.
>>> > > > >>> >>>
>>> > > > >>> >>> On a side note, Region 8 will be holding an election for my
>>> > > > >>> >>> replacement
>>> > > > >>> >>> electronically next Week, I wish I could say it had been a
>>> > > > pleasure to
>>> > > > >>> >>> serve with everyone on this board, but unfortunately that
>>> would
>>> > > > not be
>>> > > > >>> >>> displaying the same level of honesty I'll asking of the CoC
>>> > > > members.
>>> > > > >>> >>> The
>>> > > > >>> >>> last few months this board has been torn apart with
>>> childish
>>> > > > >>> >>> factionalism
>>> > > > >>> >>> and idiotic conflicts of personal natures. Many on this
>>> board
>>> > > could
>>> > > > >>> >>> benefit
>>> > > > >>> >>> from a re-reading of Non-Violent communication, and a
>>> > > realization
>>> > > > that
>>> > > > >>> >>> you
>>> > > > >>> >>> dont need to be so quick to throw a noose over the branch
>>> at
>>> > > every
>>> > > > >>> >>> percieved slight. I'm embarrased to have been part of this
>>> > board
>>> > > > the
>>> > > > >>> >>> past
>>> > > > >>> >>> few months, and I'm ashamed for the members of our party
>>> who
>>> > > have
>>> > > > to
>>> > > > >>> >>> explain our conduct.
>>> > > > >>> >>>
>>> > > > >>> >>>
>>> > > > >>> >>> Regards,
>>> > > > >>> >>> Justin O'Donnell
>>> > > > >>> >>> LNC Region 8 Representative
>>> > > > >>> >>>
>>> > > > >>> >>> On May 25, 2020 10:38 AM, Steven Nekhaila via Lnc-business
>>> <
>>> > > > >>> >>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>> > > > >>> >>>
>>> > > > >>> >>> I vote Aye.
>>> > > > >>> >>>
>>> > > > >>> >>> In Liberty,
>>> > > > >>> >>>
>>> > > > >>> >>> Steven Nekhaila
>>> > > > >>> >>> Region 2 Representative
>>> > > > >>> >>> Libertarian National Committee
>>> > > > >>> >>>
>>> > > > >>> >>> Impotentes defendere libertatum non possunt
>>> > > > >>> >>> "Those without power cannot defend freedom"
>>> > > > >>> >>>
>>> > > > >>> >>> On 2020-05-25 09:56 AM, joshua.smith--- via Lnc-business
>>> wrote:
>>> > > > >>> >>>> I vote yes.
>>> > > > >>> >>>>
>>> > > > >>> >>>> -Joshua
>>> > > > >>> >>>>
>>> > > > >>> >>>> On May 25, 2020 12:11 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via
>>> Lnc-business
>>> > > > >>> >>>> <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>> > > > >>> >>>>
>>> > > > >>> >>>>> We have an electronic mail ballot.
>>> > > > >>> >>>>>
>>> > > > >>> >>>>> Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by May 31, 2020 at
>>> > > > 11:59:59
>>> > > > >>> >>>>> pm
>>> > > > >>> >>>>> Pacific time.
>>> > > > >>> >>>>>
>>> > > > >>> >>>>> Co-Sponsors:  Bilyeu, Goldstein, Harlos, Longstreth,
>>> Mattson,
>>> > > > >>> >>>>> Merced,
>>> > > > >>> >>>>> Nekhaila, Phillips, Smith
>>> > > > >>> >>>>>
>>> > > > >>> >>>>> =============================================
>>> > > > >>> >>>>>
>>> > > > >>> >>>>> Motion: Move to authorize any Party officer to execute
>>> the
>>> > > > Orlando
>>> > > > >>> >>>>> convention contract recommended by the Convention
>>> Oversight
>>> > > > >>> >>>>> Committee.
>>> > > > >>> >>>>>
>>> > > > >>> >>>>> =============================================
>>> > > > >>> >>>>>
>>> > > > >>> >>>>> THRESHOLD REQUIRED: Simple Majority
>>> > > > >>> >>>>>
>>> > > > >>> >>>>> You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of
>>> votes
>>> > > here:
>>> > > > >>> >>>>>
>>> > > > >>> >>>>
>>> > > > >>> >>>
>>> > > > >>>
>>> > > >
>>> > >
>>> >
>>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VntkXkkuQouUiWbt9bnI_TjSMKDiTaDDpvsYtTmJdhE/edit#gid=1074776901
>>> > > > .
>>> > > > >>>
>>> > > > >>> >>>
>>> > > > >>> >>>>> Votes are noted with a link to the actual ballot cast for
>>> > > > >>> >>>>> verification. You
>>> > > > >>> >>>>> can find the time that the manual tally was last updated
>>> at
>>> > > the
>>> > > > >>> >>>>> bottom of
>>> > > > >>> >>>>> the sheet.
>>> > > > >>> >>>>>
>>> > > > >>> >>>>> Please notify me of any discrepancies.
>>> > > > >>> >>>>>
>>> > > > >>> >>>>> *  In Liberty,*
>>> > > > >>> >>>>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as
>>> Asperger's
>>> > > > >>> >>>>> Syndrome
>>> > > > >>> >>>>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect
>>> > inter-personal
>>> > > > >>> >>>>> communication skills in both personal and electronic
>>> arenas.
>>> > > If
>>> > > > >>> >>>>> anyone
>>> > > > >>> >>>>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some
>>> other
>>> > > > social
>>> > > > >>> >>>>> faux
>>> > > > >>> >>>>> pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and
>>> let
>>> > > me
>>> > > > >>> >>>>> know.  *
>>> > > > >>> >>>
>>> > > > >>> >>>
>>> > > > >>> >>>
>>> > > > >>>
>>> > > >
>>> > > --
>>> > >
>>> > > *In Liberty,*
>>> > >
>>> > > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>>> Syndrome
>>> > > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>>> > > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
>>> anyone
>>> > > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
>>> faux
>>> > > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> >
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *Whitney Bilyeu*
>> Libertarian National Committee
>> Region 7 Representative
>> 281.433.4966
>> LP.ORG
>>
>>
>
> --
> *Whitney Bilyeu*
> Libertarian National Committee
> Region 7 Representative
> 281.433.4966
> LP.ORG
>
>