[Lnc-business] Message from the Convention Oversight Committee Chair re: the pending votes

[Alicia Mattson]

My irony meter is pegging today.  The chair demonstrates a complete lack of
personal awareness

Here's the LNC chair scolding another LNC member over his sudden interest
in decorum, yet he was the one who started this thread by posting another
person's message full of personal attacks.

Also, we're all familiar with the LNC chair's own communication style with
others on social media (which made it seem plausible that the tweet earlier
this week on the impersonation account could have been from the party
account).  He has earned the nicknames Snark-wark and Czar-wark.  We all
saw him angrily yelling at delegates and banging the gavel with all his
might during the Memorial Day weekend event.  He has done that in LNC
meetings as well this term, yelling loudly over very minor crosstalk done
to facilitate wording of a motion.  Mr. Sarwark has no room to criticize
anyone else's style.  Daniel Hayes doesn't bulldoze member rights.

I think we all see this for what it is.

-Alicia


On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 3:22 PM erin.adams--- via Lnc-business <
lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:

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> whether or not the LNC leaves Mr. Hayes on the committee has nothing to do
> with , or should not at least, “sticking it” to anyone, but rather matters
> of policy and how that policy is interpreted.
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> As a Member of the COC I have not felt abused by Mr. Hayes and I see that
> term used here as subjective. His method of communication is notably
> different than that of others however Im not a believer that communicating
> with a different tone or even yelling is abusive. Again, that is subjective
> and may be determined by other individuals differently.
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> You make a strong allegation that members have been “working to undermine
> the LNC Chair and the LNC itself” that again, is based on your subjective
> interpretations. My subjective interpretations are not in alignment with
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> While I am grateful to you for negotiating a MUCH better liquidated
> damages clause, It is disingenuous to say that Mr. Hayes negotiated a
> contract with a huge liability risk as the liability we are speaking of was
> less than half of that involved in the Austin contract. You absolutely
> negotiated a better rate, but that does not mean that Mr. Hayes was
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> I did not hear Mr. Hayes speak of bullying a hotel staffer.
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> You may be correct about Stossel and I cant speak to that because I truly
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> He did want the POTUS nom at the in person but I never heard him say that
> he didint care if some states couldnt make the ballot because it was too
> late. Quite the contrary, On a joint call with the ballot access committee,
> I heard him, repeatedly, ask for recommendations on dates that would allow
> states to still make the deadlines.
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> I have almost quit this committee as well, recently, for reasons other mr.
> hayes. I am happy to discuss my reasons with you if you are interested.
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> Erin Adams Region 7 alt.
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> On Jun 7, 2020 4:57 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
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> I find it very odd that Ms. Ryan is so zealous in this.  I also find it
> very untoward that message shitting on volunteers keep getting posted to
> the open list.  It is gross AF.
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> *In Liberty,*
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> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
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> On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 3:35 PM Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
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> > Bullshit.  We never had a chance to even discuss adding Jim to the COC
> > before Nick appointed him without the recommendation of the COC as
> > required by the policy manual.  I think we all like and respect Jim and
> > regret that Nick saw fit to use him in his litter power games without
> > his consent.
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> > Thankfully the choice is not in your hands or Nick's anymore.  The LNC
> > has voted 15-1 to change the policy manual language on COC appointments
> > and any changes to the COC are now in their hands.
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> > ---
> > Sam Goldstein, At Large Member
> > Libertarian National Committee
> > Convention Oversight Committee
> > 317-850-0726 Cell
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> > On 2020-06-07 17:23, BetteRose via Lnc-business wrote:
> > > I never said that I spoke for anyone but myself and everything I said
> > > was true to my knowledge.  I have said many times that I disagree with
> > > Daniel being on the committee for the reasons I outline.  I did say he
> > > could be a volunteer.
> > > And I asked Sam to ask Daniel, when Daniel was not speaking to me, to
> > > get the speakers' list from Daniel. I asked him three times in the
> > > meeting for that same list. He did the same thing in 2016 and sent us
> > > way over on the speakers' budget without our committee's consent. I am
> > > concern he will do the same here.
> > > Having Daniel sit in on our meetings is different then having him on
> > > the CoC which again, I have spoken against and in fact added Jim
> > > Turney as requested. Not one on the CoC objected to that.
> > > BetteRose RyanPublisherBent Briar Publishing
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> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Whitney Bilyeu <whitney.bilyeu at lp.org>
> > > To: lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> > > Cc: Nicholas Sarwark <chair at lp.org>; Bette Rose Ryan
> > > <betterose at aol.com>
> > > Sent: Sun, Jun 7, 2020 2:32 pm
> > > Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] Message from the Convention Oversight
> > > Committee Chair re: the pending votes
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> > > BetteRose Ryan does not speak for this member of the COC committee.
> > > Period. I speak for myself.
> > > BetteRose, as the Chair of the COC, should probably address these
> > > things with the actual COC....considering that we have been in
> > > conversations with her throughout every day since she was named Chair
> > > of the COC. She has not expressed this sentiment to us. On the
> > > contrary, she has said she was happy to have to Daniel continue to
> > > work with speakers, etc...
> > > So, there is clearly a disconnect between what she is saying to
> > > individual LNC members, and what she is saying to the COC (the
> > > committee she chairs now).
> > > She has the same access to this list that other non-LNC members have.
> > > I will copy her on my reply to make sure.
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> > > On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 3:06 PM Nicholas Sarwark via Lnc-business
> > > <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
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> > > Dear All,
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> > > Ms. Ryan asked me to share this with you, as she does not have posting
> > > privileges to this list, as four of her other colleagues on the
> > > Convention
> > > Oversight Committee do.
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> > > Yours in liberty,
> > > Nick
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> > > “I can't believe the LNC may actually leave Daniel Hayes on the
> > > convention
> > > committee simply to stick it to the LNC chairman.
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> > > First Daniel constantly is abusive, yelling at his committee and the
> > > staff;
> > > he yelled at a staff member mean enough he had her in tears. (I got
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> > > first hand). He yelled at a committee member who finally had enough
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> > > yell at him that she didn't give up her night to sit in on a
> > > F*&*&**meeting
> > > to be F*&*& * yelled at. He is also abusive to the people he needs to
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> > > with on our behalf.
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> > > For the last four months he and others on the committee have committee
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> > > undermine the LNC Chair and the LNC itself.
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> > > He negotiated a contract that left the party with a huge liability
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> > > even though the LNC chair and others warned about the risk.
> > > (Fortunately I
> > > was able to negotiate a much better contract.)
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> > > He also spoke about 'bullying' a hotel staffer into giving us another
> > > room
> > > recently. This is not the way to represent our party. It is not how I
> > > do
> > > business.
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> > > He said, one time, recently that he was ready to tell John Stossel's
> > > people
> > > to pound sand because he didn't like the 'tone' of voice they used.
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> > > He pushed to have the POTUS nomination at the openly said he didn't
> > > care if
> > > some states couldn't make the ballot if we elected our candidates too
> > > late.
> > > It was more important to "have a great" in person convention.
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> > > Our LNC Chairman removed someone from the convention oversight
> > > committee
> > > who is so abusive that I almost quit. Now the LNC is considering
> > > putting
> > > this person back on the committee? Are they not concerned with the
> > > liability? What happens if he yells at the wrong person? Will we be
> > > sued?”
> > > -BetteRose Ryan
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