[Lnc-business] Update on Convention A/V Contract

[Caryn Ann Harlos]

Mr Nanna there are two things that concern me:

1.  The time delay
2.  Most of the CoC learned of this when Nick posted here - they were
totally in the dark

That second item should be unacceptable to everyone.

In isolation, the more bids the better.  Twelfth hour end runs around the
CoC are another thing.

We talk a lot about distaste for micromanagement.  This in micromanagement
in a macro scale and is demoralizing to volunteers.

On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 1:17 PM <dustin.nanna at lp.org> wrote:

> The deposit is refundable and I see no harm in at least exploring a bid. I
> spoke to a CoC member today who seems to think that we are probably getting
> the best deal already as PSAV (the company the Rosen has in house) is very
> good, but also very pricey.
>
> I have looked into their services and they do provide a lot of stuff that
> could help us pull off a successful hybrid meeting, but again it'll all
> come down to cost and value.
>
> On Jun 10, 2020 1:37 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
> It is not the idea of obtaining bids that is the issue.  It’s the
> interference over the heads of the CoC and the twelve hour actions.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 11:23 AM Steven Nekhaila via Lnc-business <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
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> >
> >         I am satisfied with taking competing bids provided the level of
> > quality meets or exceeds the current bid and the price is competitive,
> and
> > provided our deposit is returned.
> > Sincerely,
> > Steven Nekhaila
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> > On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 1:06 PM -0400, "Elizabeth Van Horn via
> > Lnc-business" <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >
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> > I am not Mrs. Van Horn.  I've made it clear that I do not use titles
> > before my name.  Please make a note.
> >
> > The rest of your scolding commentary make no sense.  Just stop.
> >
> > ---
> > Elizabeth Van Horn
> > LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)
> >
> > On 2020-06-10 12:57, john.phillips at lp.org wrote:
> >
> > > Terms that you and others continue to fail to mention that the COC had
> > already agreed to ask for Mrs Van Horn.  You were in that meeting, took
> > part in the discussion, and yet I have seen your responses to questions
> > feigning ignorance of the answers despite being part of the discussion,
> and
> > doing so here again. Speaking of spreading misinformation.
> > >
> > > You might also note that I also said I did not object to taking bids,
> > just to make sure we are comparing apples to apples - as Ms Adams also
> > brought attention to, or are you conveniently ignoring that part too?
> > >
> > > And yes, at some point quibbling over these things can be penny wise
> and
> > pound foolish when they cause more friction, problems, and damage to
> morale
> > which can greatly damage fundraising long term over a short term price
> > difference.
> > >
> > > John Phillips
> > > Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
> > > Cell 217-412-5973
> > >
> > > On Jun 10, 2020 11:34 AM, Elizabeth Van Horn  wrote:
> > >
> > > You wrote:  "being pennywise and pound foolish is ridiculous and a
> > disservice to our members."
> > >
> > > A BETTER contract was negotiated.  Not a worse one.  That's not being
> > "pennywise and pound foolish", nor is it a disservice to our members.
> Just
> > the opposite.
> > >
> > > ---
> > > Elizabeth Van Horn
> > > LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)
> > >
> > > On 2020-06-10 12:17, john.phillips at lp.org wrote:
> > >
> > > I m not going to say whether it is or isn't.  Given the lack of
> > information being shared, conclusions happen either way.
> > >
> > > I will say that accusations of spreading misinformation and playing
> > games go both ways.  So I suggest being very careful about opening that
> can
> > of worms and derailing this process and making it more ugly than it is
> > already.
> > >
> > > I do not object to bids being taken, but make sure we compare apples
> to
> > apples as I know the current AV company had provisions in place for our
> > states that may not be able to travel due to government.  Can the in
> house
> > AV provide that?  Most cannot or will not.
> > >
> > > I will also say that perhaps if we let the COC do the job they were
> > already doing and just move on we would be better off.
> > > Yes being careful with money is important, but this constantly getting
> > in the way, gamesmanship, and being pennywise and pound foolish is
> > ridiculous and a disservice to our members.
> > >
> > > John Phillips
> > > Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
> > > Cell 217-412-5973
> > >
> > > On Jun 10, 2020 10:50 AM, Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business  wrote:
> > >
> > > I don't think it looks effort to derail, nor to any hypothetical
> purpose
> > > of not having a convention.  I know you like to write that, as it's
> what
> > > you've spread all over FB, but I think you're purposefully spreading
> > > misinformation.
> > >
> > > ---
> > > Elizabeth Van Horn
> > > LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)
> > >
> > > On 2020-06-10 11:29, Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business wrote:
> > >> This is clearly an effort on the part of the Chair to derail the
> > >> planning of the COC due to his stated purpose of not having an in
> > >> person convention this year.  I will be seeking sponsors once again
> to
> > >> authorize another officer to sign the COC approved AV contract if the
> > >> Chair does not sign it by the end of business tomororw.
> > >>
> > >> The Chair does not run the COC nor give directive to us.  That is the
> > >> responsibility of the LNC>
> > >>
> > >> ---
> > >> Sam Goldstein, At Large Member
> > >> Libertarian National Committee
> > >> Convention Oversight Committee
> > >> 317-850-0726 Cell
> > >>
> > >> On 2020-06-10 11:03, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
> > >>> This concerns me.  The CoC already approved the other, and it is my
> > >>> understanding that this email here is how the rest of the CoC heard
> of
> > >>> this.  Why are things being done without the rest of the CoC being
> > >>> consulted?  This seems like interference that is slowing things
> down.
> > >>> It
> > >>> is too late to keep putting delays in this process.  How long is
> this
> > >>> going
> > >>> to take?  And the CoC has already worked with the current guy on
> > >>> remote
> > >>> connections that many delegates are demanding, and this seems to be
> > >>> sabotaging that.
> > >>>
> > >>> *In Liberty,*
> > >>>
> > >>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
> Syndrome
> > >>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> > >>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
> > >>> anyone
> > >>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
> > >>> faux
> > >>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 8:23 AM Nicholas Sarwark via Lnc-business <
> > >>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Dear All,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Since some members of the LNC have been asking our special counsel
> > >>>> privately about the status of contracts under review, I thought it
> > >>>> best to
> > >>>> provide the entire committee an update.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> There is an A/V contract proposed by the Convention Oversight
> > >>>> Committee
> > >>>> that was negotiated before the site was finalized with the same
> > >>>> company
> > >>>> that was going to handle A/V in Austin.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Given the number of changes that have occurred between now and
> then,
> > >>>> and
> > >>>> given the commitment the Rosen Hotel Group has made to make our
> > >>>> convention
> > >>>> a success, I have asked BetteRose Ryan, Chair of the Convention
> > >>>> Oversight
> > >>>> Committee, to solicit a bid from the Rosen Group's in-house A/V
> > >>>> provider.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Yours truly,
> > >>>> Nick
> > >>>>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
>
> *In Liberty,*
>
> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>
>
> --

*In Liberty,*

* Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
(part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *