[Lnc-business] Access to the Coc Zoom

[Steven Nekhaila]

Dear LNC members of the CoC,

I urge the CoC to give access to our Executive Director to the meeting 
recording and proceed to assist in any ongoing investigation. I am 
asking for the LNC members of the CoC to make the steps necessary to 
grant such access.

In Liberty,

Steven Nekhaila
Region 2 Representative
Libertarian National Committee

Impotentes defendere libertatum non possunt
"Those without power cannot defend freedom"

On 2020-06-18 01:05 PM, john.phillips--- via Lnc-business wrote:
> Reading through all this what I see is that the original denial was
> fine given the original request.  That needs to be made clear.
> 
> For the rest I have talked to some people and with what I got sounds
> like some people need to go revisit my email about sore thumbs ...
> 
> Having said that, further discussion off list is appropriate at this
> time.
> 
> John Phillips
> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
> Cell 217-412-5973
> 
> On Jun 18, 2020 8:32 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
> <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> 
>> Okay this just took another turn.
>> 
>> Here is what the PM says:
>> 
>> Any violation of this policy should be brought to the attention of
>> the
>> Chair or the Vice Chair. In response to every complaint, the LNC
>> will take
>> prompt and necessary steps to investigate the matter and will
>> protect the
>> individual's confidentiality, as much as possible, recognizing the
>> need to
>> thoroughly investigate all complaints.
>> 
>> Why are you involved here?  It is the Chair or Vice Chair that needs
>> to be
>> notified and the LNC that investigates.  We have no idea what you
>> are on
>> about.  If there is some complaint, you bringing this to the public
>> list is
>> highly inappropriate.  Please take this off list and either let us
>> know
>> what the heck is going on or have the the chair or vice chair be
>> notified
>> and handle.  This cloak and dagger stuff does not belong on the LNC
>> list.
>> 
>> *In Liberty,*
>> 
>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>> Syndrome
>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
>> anyone
>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
>> faux
>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>> 
>> On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 7:16 AM Daniel Fishman
>> <dan.fishman at lphq.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> Dear LNC,
>>> 
>>> I call your attention to the Policy Manual Section 2.01
>> OBLIGATIONS AMONG
>>> BOARD MEMBERS AND STAFF
>>> 
>>> In particular to this part of subsection 4:
>>> 
>>> "
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> *In response to every complaint, LNC will take prompt and
>> necessarysteps
>>> to investigate the matter and will protect the individual's
>>> confidentiality, as much aspossible, recognizing the need to
>> thoroughly
>>> investigate all complaints. LNC will takecorrective and
>> preventative
>>> actions where necessary. LNC will not retaliate against
>> anyindividual who
>>> in good faith brings a complaint to the attention of LNC or
>> participates in
>>> aninvestigation regarding a complaint*."
>>> 
>>> I have stated I am investigating a complaint. I am trying to
>> protect
>>> everyone's confidentiality as much as possible. I don't understand
>> an
>>> organization that impedes the investigation of a complaint by
>> refusing to
>>> release video.
>>> 
>>> Please direct the CoC to release the video I am requesting.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ---
>>> Daniel Fishman
>>> Executive Director
>>> The Libertarian Party
>>> Join Us <http://www.lp.org/join>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 11:48 PM <erin.adams at lp.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> The meeting was not about delegating staff duties. The meeting
>> was about
>>>> tasks and things that the convention oversight committee needed
>> to get done
>>>> not about things that staff needed to get done. Things that staff
>> needed to
>>>> get done would have been communicated by email
>>>> 
>>>> Erin Adams Region 7 alt.
>>>> 
>>>> On Jun 17, 2020 9:04 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
>>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> That's my issue Mr Longstreth. I feel like I have no idea what
>> this is
>>>> really about.
>>>> 
>>>> On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 7:58 PM Richard Longstreth via
>> Lnc-business <
>>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I feel like I'm missing something here. On the surface, I don't
>> see the
>>>>> problem with sharing the recording, that's why it exists, for
>> reviewing
>>>> the
>>>>> record.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have no idea what the policy manual violation may be and I
>> missed the
>>>>> meeting so I have no opinion on that. In general, I am not sure
>> that it
>>>> is
>>>>> in the party's interest to keep something from the executive
>> director
>>>>> except under very specific circumstances where they are the
>> subject of
>>>>> investigation. Especially as it relates to the convention, is
>> staff not
>>>>> helping with that and, by that logic, since the ExDir
>> supervises staff
>>>>> should they not have access to all information where staff
>> duties are
>>>>> discussed and delegated to ensure that employees are performing
>> to
>>>>> expectation?
>>>>> 
>>>>> I welcome more information and re-emphasize that I have no clue
>> what
>>>> all
>>>>> this is about.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Richard Longstreth
>>>>> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT,
>> WA, WY)
>>>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>>>> richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>>>> 931.538.9300
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my Mobile Device
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Wed, Jun 17, 2020, 17:28 Tim Hagan via Lnc-business <
>>>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> > The Executive Director viewing the recording seems like a
>> reasonable
>>>>> > request to me.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > ---
>>>>> > Tim Hagan
>>>>> > Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On 2020-06-17 16:34, Daniel Fishman via Lnc-business wrote:
>>>>> > > Initially I only wanted to see the software demo, but when
>> that was
>>>>> > > blocked
>>>>> > > I asked someone who was there why, and then became aware
>> of
>>>> something
>>>>> > > the
>>>>> > > policy manual REQUIRES me to investigate. Actually, I
>> believe all
>>>>> > > members
>>>>> > > of the LNC are charged with enforcement of the policy
>> manual.
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > If nobody thinks anything happened that should be reported
>> as a
>>>>> > > violation
>>>>> > > of the policy manual, then I would like to confirm that.
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > I would assume that an LNC member concerned there was an
>> ambiguity
>>>>> > > would
>>>>> > > err on the side of caution, so I just need to confirm the
>> conflict
>>>>> > > between
>>>>> > > many people saying that nothing happened and the other
>> report that
>>>> I
>>>>> > > now
>>>>> > > have. Having worked in an administrative position for many
>> years, I
>>>>> > > believe
>>>>> > > it's very important that matters like this be handled
>> directly.
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > I am baffled by the idea that I think there is something
>> that must
>>>>> > > be investigated and being blocked from doing so, especially
>> since
>>>> this
>>>>> > > was
>>>>> > > a meeting ALL LNC members were invited to. I reiterate my
>> call for
>>>>> > > access
>>>>> > > to the recording.
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > Dan
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > Dan Fishman, Executive Director,  Libertarian Party
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > On Wed, Jun 17, 2020, 7:04 PM Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>> > > <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
>>>>> > > wrote:
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > >> Can't you just confer with the CoC?
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >> On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 5:00 PM Daniel Fishman <
>>>> dan.fishman at lphq.org>
>>>>> > >> wrote:
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >>> I initially only wanted to see the video of the remote
>> software
>>>> demo,
>>>>> > >>> but
>>>>> > >>> now I am hearing there was a policy manual violation as
>> well.
>>>>> > >>>
>>>>> > >>> Dan Fishman, Executive Director,  Libertarian Party
>>>>> > >>>
>>>>> > >>> On Wed, Jun 17, 2020, 6:51 PM Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>> > >>> <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
>>>>> > >>> wrote:
>>>>> > >>>
>>>>> > >>>> Mr. Fishman why do you need the actual recording rather
>> than
>>>> just
>>>>> > >>>> asking
>>>>> > >>>> the CoC the information you need.
>>>>> > >>>>
>>>>> > >>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>> > >>>>
>>>>> > >>>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as
>> Asperger's
>>>>> > >>>> Syndrome
>>>>> > >>>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect
>> inter-personal
>>>>> > >>>> communication skills in both personal and electronic
>> arenas.  If
>>>>> > >>>> anyone
>>>>> > >>>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some
>> other
>>>> social
>>>>> > >>>> faux
>>>>> > >>>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>>>>> > >>>>
>>>>> > >>>>
>>>>> > >>>>
>>>>> > >>>> On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 2:42 PM Daniel Fishman via
>> Lnc-business
>>>> <
>>>>> > >>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>>> > >>>>
>>>>> > >>>>> Dear LNC,
>>>>> > >>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>> I requested to view the recording of the CoC zoom from
>> Monday
>>>>> > >>>>> night, and
>>>>> > >>>>> the CoC is arguing the tapes recording is confidential
>> and that
>>>> I
>>>>> > >>>>> must
>>>>> > >>>>> ask
>>>>> > >>>>> the LNC for permission to view it.
>>>>> > >>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>> This highlights again the need for a data security
>> policy --
>>>> which
>>>>> > >>>>> I
>>>>> > >>>>> will
>>>>> > >>>>> write and present to the next LNC.  In the meantime
>> however can
>>>> you
>>>>> > >>>>> please
>>>>> > >>>>> informally comment on whether or not the recording
>> should be
>>>> kept
>>>>> > >>>>> confidential from me, or if I am allowed to view it?
>>>>> > >>>>> ---
>>>>> > >>>>> Daniel Fishman
>>>>> > >>>>> Executive Director
>>>>> > >>>>> The Libertarian Party
>>>>> > >>>>> Join Us <http://www.lp.org/join>
>>>>> > >>>>>
>>>>> > >>>> --
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >> *In Liberty,*
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as
>> Asperger's
>>>> Syndrome
>>>>> > >> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect
>> inter-personal
>>>>> > >> communication skills in both personal and electronic
>> arenas.  If
>>>>> > >> anyone
>>>>> > >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some
>> other
>>>> social
>>>>> > >> faux
>>>>> > >> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> >
>>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> 
>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>> 
>>>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>> Syndrome
>>>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>>>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
>> anyone
>>>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
>> social faux
>>>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>