[Lnc-business] Access to the Coc Zoom

Thu Jun 18 14:17:42 EDT 2020

I am giving my perspective in the off list thread.  It is extremely
inappropriate that this was on the public list.

On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 11:56 AM erin.adams--- via Lnc-business <
lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:

> Per the policy manual is not mr. Fishman's role to investigate this but
> rather the role of the chair and or the vice chair should Mr Fishman make
> that request and it appears to me that he has done so. Furthermore I do
> think it's pertinent to point out that the vice-chair was present during
> the call and as such was privy to the entirety of the information that is
> being requested, as was the secretary and the treasurer.
>
>
> Erin Adams Region 7 alt.
>
> On Jun 18, 2020 12:19 PM, Steven Nekhaila via Lnc-business <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
> Dear LNC members of the CoC,
>
> I urge the CoC to give access to our Executive Director to the meeting
> recording and proceed to assist in any ongoing investigation. I am
> asking for the LNC members of the CoC to make the steps necessary to
> grant such access.
>
> In Liberty,
>
> Steven Nekhaila
> Region 2 Representative
> Libertarian National Committee
>
> Impotentes defendere libertatum non possunt
> "Those without power cannot defend freedom"
>
> On 2020-06-18 01:05 PM, john.phillips--- via Lnc-business wrote:
> > Reading through all this what I see is that the original denial was
> > fine given the original request.  That needs to be made clear.
> >
> > For the rest I have talked to some people and with what I got sounds
> > like some people need to go revisit my email about sore thumbs ...
> >
> > Having said that, further discussion off list is appropriate at this
> > time.
> >
> > John Phillips
> > Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
> > Cell 217-412-5973
> >
> > On Jun 18, 2020 8:32 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
> > <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Okay this just took another turn.
> >>
> >> Here is what the PM says:
> >>
> >> Any violation of this policy should be brought to the attention of
> >> the
> >> Chair or the Vice Chair. In response to every complaint, the LNC
> >> will take
> >> prompt and necessary steps to investigate the matter and will
> >> protect the
> >> individual's confidentiality, as much as possible, recognizing the
> >> need to
> >> thoroughly investigate all complaints.
> >>
> >> Why are you involved here?  It is the Chair or Vice Chair that needs
> >> to be
> >> notified and the LNC that investigates.  We have no idea what you
> >> are on
> >> about.  If there is some complaint, you bringing this to the public
> >> list is
> >> highly inappropriate.  Please take this off list and either let us
> >> know
> >> what the heck is going on or have the the chair or vice chair be
> >> notified
> >> and handle.  This cloak and dagger stuff does not belong on the LNC
> >> list.
> >>
> >> *In Liberty,*
> >>
> >> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
> >> Syndrome
> >> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> >> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
> >> anyone
> >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
> >> faux
> >> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 7:16 AM Daniel Fishman
> >> <dan.fishman at lphq.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Dear LNC,
> >>>
> >>> I call your attention to the Policy Manual Section 2.01
> >> OBLIGATIONS AMONG
> >>> BOARD MEMBERS AND STAFF
> >>>
> >>> In particular to this part of subsection 4:
> >>>
> >>> "
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> *In response to every complaint, LNC will take prompt and
> >> necessarysteps
> >>> to investigate the matter and will protect the individual's
> >>> confidentiality, as much aspossible, recognizing the need to
> >> thoroughly
> >>> investigate all complaints. LNC will takecorrective and
> >> preventative
> >>> actions where necessary. LNC will not retaliate against
> >> anyindividual who
> >>> in good faith brings a complaint to the attention of LNC or
> >> participates in
> >>> aninvestigation regarding a complaint*."
> >>>
> >>> I have stated I am investigating a complaint. I am trying to
> >> protect
> >>> everyone's confidentiality as much as possible. I don't understand
> >> an
> >>> organization that impedes the investigation of a complaint by
> >> refusing to
> >>> release video.
> >>>
> >>> Please direct the CoC to release the video I am requesting.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ---
> >>> Daniel Fishman
> >>> Executive Director
> >>> The Libertarian Party
> >>> Join Us <http://www.lp.org/join>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 11:48 PM <erin.adams at lp.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> The meeting was not about delegating staff duties. The meeting
> >> was about
> >>>> tasks and things that the convention oversight committee needed
> >> to get done
> >>>> not about things that staff needed to get done. Things that staff
> >> needed to
> >>>> get done would have been communicated by email
> >>>>
> >>>> Erin Adams Region 7 alt.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Jun 17, 2020 9:04 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
> >>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> That's my issue Mr Longstreth. I feel like I have no idea what
> >> this is
> >>>> really about.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 7:58 PM Richard Longstreth via
> >> Lnc-business <
> >>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> I feel like I'm missing something here. On the surface, I don't
> >> see the
> >>>>> problem with sharing the recording, that's why it exists, for
> >> reviewing
> >>>> the
> >>>>> record.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I have no idea what the policy manual violation may be and I
> >> missed the
> >>>>> meeting so I have no opinion on that. In general, I am not sure
> >> that it
> >>>> is
> >>>>> in the party's interest to keep something from the executive
> >> director
> >>>>> except under very specific circumstances where they are the
> >> subject of
> >>>>> investigation. Especially as it relates to the convention, is
> >> staff not
> >>>>> helping with that and, by that logic, since the ExDir
> >> supervises staff
> >>>>> should they not have access to all information where staff
> >> duties are
> >>>>> discussed and delegated to ensure that employees are performing
> >> to
> >>>>> expectation?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I welcome more information and re-emphasize that I have no clue
> >> what
> >>>> all
> >>>>> this is about.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Richard Longstreth
> >>>>> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT,
> >> WA, WY)
> >>>>> Libertarian National Committee
> >>>>> richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>>>> 931.538.9300
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sent from my Mobile Device
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Wed, Jun 17, 2020, 17:28 Tim Hagan via Lnc-business <
> >>>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> > The Executive Director viewing the recording seems like a
> >> reasonable
> >>>>> > request to me.
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > ---
> >>>>> > Tim Hagan
> >>>>> > Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > On 2020-06-17 16:34, Daniel Fishman via Lnc-business wrote:
> >>>>> > > Initially I only wanted to see the software demo, but when
> >> that was
> >>>>> > > blocked
> >>>>> > > I asked someone who was there why, and then became aware
> >> of
> >>>> something
> >>>>> > > the
> >>>>> > > policy manual REQUIRES me to investigate. Actually, I
> >> believe all
> >>>>> > > members
> >>>>> > > of the LNC are charged with enforcement of the policy
> >> manual.
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>> > > If nobody thinks anything happened that should be reported
> >> as a
> >>>>> > > violation
> >>>>> > > of the policy manual, then I would like to confirm that.
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>> > > I would assume that an LNC member concerned there was an
> >> ambiguity
> >>>>> > > would
> >>>>> > > err on the side of caution, so I just need to confirm the
> >> conflict
> >>>>> > > between
> >>>>> > > many people saying that nothing happened and the other
> >> report that
> >>>> I
> >>>>> > > now
> >>>>> > > have. Having worked in an administrative position for many
> >> years, I
> >>>>> > > believe
> >>>>> > > it's very important that matters like this be handled
> >> directly.
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>> > > I am baffled by the idea that I think there is something
> >> that must
> >>>>> > > be investigated and being blocked from doing so, especially
> >> since
> >>>> this
> >>>>> > > was
> >>>>> > > a meeting ALL LNC members were invited to. I reiterate my
> >> call for
> >>>>> > > access
> >>>>> > > to the recording.
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>> > > Dan
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>> > > Dan Fishman, Executive Director,  Libertarian Party
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>> > > On Wed, Jun 17, 2020, 7:04 PM Caryn Ann Harlos
> >>>>> > > <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
> >>>>> > > wrote:
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>> > >> Can't you just confer with the CoC?
> >>>>> > >>
> >>>>> > >> On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 5:00 PM Daniel Fishman <
> >>>> dan.fishman at lphq.org>
> >>>>> > >> wrote:
> >>>>> > >>
> >>>>> > >>> I initially only wanted to see the video of the remote
> >> software
> >>>> demo,
> >>>>> > >>> but
> >>>>> > >>> now I am hearing there was a policy manual violation as
> >> well.
> >>>>> > >>>
> >>>>> > >>> Dan Fishman, Executive Director,  Libertarian Party
> >>>>> > >>>
> >>>>> > >>> On Wed, Jun 17, 2020, 6:51 PM Caryn Ann Harlos
> >>>>> > >>> <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
> >>>>> > >>> wrote:
> >>>>> > >>>
> >>>>> > >>>> Mr. Fishman why do you need the actual recording rather
> >> than
> >>>> just
> >>>>> > >>>> asking
> >>>>> > >>>> the CoC the information you need.
> >>>>> > >>>>
> >>>>> > >>>> *In Liberty,*
> >>>>> > >>>>
> >>>>> > >>>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as
> >> Asperger's
> >>>>> > >>>> Syndrome
> >>>>> > >>>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect
> >> inter-personal
> >>>>> > >>>> communication skills in both personal and electronic
> >> arenas.  If
> >>>>> > >>>> anyone
> >>>>> > >>>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some
> >> other
> >>>> social
> >>>>> > >>>> faux
> >>>>> > >>>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
> >>>>> > >>>>
> >>>>> > >>>>
> >>>>> > >>>>
> >>>>> > >>>> On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 2:42 PM Daniel Fishman via
> >> Lnc-business
> >>>> <
> >>>>> > >>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>>>> > >>>>
> >>>>> > >>>>> Dear LNC,
> >>>>> > >>>>>
> >>>>> > >>>>> I requested to view the recording of the CoC zoom from
> >> Monday
> >>>>> > >>>>> night, and
> >>>>> > >>>>> the CoC is arguing the tapes recording is confidential
> >> and that
> >>>> I
> >>>>> > >>>>> must
> >>>>> > >>>>> ask
> >>>>> > >>>>> the LNC for permission to view it.
> >>>>> > >>>>>
> >>>>> > >>>>> This highlights again the need for a data security
> >> policy --
> >>>> which
> >>>>> > >>>>> I
> >>>>> > >>>>> will
> >>>>> > >>>>> write and present to the next LNC.  In the meantime
> >> however can
> >>>> you
> >>>>> > >>>>> please
> >>>>> > >>>>> informally comment on whether or not the recording
> >> should be
> >>>> kept
> >>>>> > >>>>> confidential from me, or if I am allowed to view it?
> >>>>> > >>>>> ---
> >>>>> > >>>>> Daniel Fishman
> >>>>> > >>>>> Executive Director
> >>>>> > >>>>> The Libertarian Party
> >>>>> > >>>>> Join Us <http://www.lp.org/join>
> >>>>> > >>>>>
> >>>>> > >>>> --
> >>>>> > >>
> >>>>> > >> *In Liberty,*
> >>>>> > >>
> >>>>> > >> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as
> >> Asperger's
> >>>> Syndrome
> >>>>> > >> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect
> >> inter-personal
> >>>>> > >> communication skills in both personal and electronic
> >> arenas.  If
> >>>>> > >> anyone
> >>>>> > >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some
> >> other
> >>>> social
> >>>>> > >> faux
> >>>>> > >> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
> >>>>> > >>
> >>>>> > >>
> >>>>> >
> >>>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>>
> >>>> *In Liberty,*
> >>>>
> >>>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
> >> Syndrome
> >>>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> >>>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
> >> anyone
> >>>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
> >> social faux
> >>>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
>
>
> --

*In Liberty,*

* Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
(part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *