[Lnc-business] Convention Change of Venues

[Caryn Ann Harlos]

If the in person does not go forward, I do hope we decide to have an
electronic convention on the same days as people have already arranged for
time off work.

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 5:53 AM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
wrote:

> If the CoC had said they did not wish to do the work necessary I would
> agree.  They have not, quite the contrary.  I think it would be
> disrespectful of everything they have done not to let them try. (As well as
> to the delegates who want to go)
>
> From what I understand all the same safety precautions and room needed is
> accommodated.
>
> What this does is a second bite at the apple for those who have always
> opposed.  There may be other reasons to change one’s mind (conditions in
> Florida for example) but this shift isn’t anything major.
>
> Everything in the compromise still holds true and the principle of
> respecting everyone’s choice does as well.  Cancelling while it is still
> possible forecloses the choice of those who want to go.  I think we can
> honor all choices.
>
> That said, we are a deliberative body, and no matter what the decision is,
> I hope everyone respects it and does not work to sow sour grapes or
> undermine as we have seen already over this whole thing.
>
> Debate, vote, accept, work to make a success.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 4:15 AM Alex Merced (LNC Vice Chair) via
> Lnc-business <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
>> Will the OCCC have all the same precautions that the Rosen promised As
>> far safety (its not just size of the rooms).
>>
>> I’ve generally been in support of the compromise because it was visible
>> that there was no way the party as a whole could move in either direction
>> without causing major schisms but this does raise many concerns.
>>
>> - Even if rooms reservations are moved and a larger main hall is attained
>> the amount of planning for the space such as tables and breakout rooms,
>> Gala planning etc. that would need to be revisited seems like a cruel thing
>> to ask the CoC to revisit.
>>
>> - I have seen annecdotally noticed several supporters of live convention
>> change their mind not to go not cause their view had changed but due to the
>> pressure from family and those around them. While I intend to be their if
>> it happens, I have also seen similar levels of pressure from my loved ones.
>>
>> - The Rosen was quite adamant about having us and was quite sure they
>> would be open that weekend what assurance we have that the OCCC will not do
>> the same in the next week and half (I know you can’t control the future but
>> at this point, but there comes a point where you can only fight these
>> headwinds so much).
>>
>> Considering the amount of logistics and timing that is now reshuffled,
>> the changing health environment I think that we can safely invoke
>> impossibility/impracticality for the second sitting if we chose to. I don’t
>> know if this is something we are voting on, or If this ship has sailed but
>> if it comes to a vote that is how I will vote based on current
>> circumstances.
>>
>> I do have nothing but gratitude for the efforts of the CoC to move
>> mountains in replanning a convention in 6 weeks and don’t wish them the
>> burden of replanning this in two weeks in a venue without the kind of
>> vetting that was given to the Rosen in a fraction of the time.
>>
>> If the event does happen, I plan on being there but this is where my
>> heart is at with the hearing of this new information.
>>
>> Alex Merced
>> Vice Chair of the Libertarian National Committee/LP
>>
>> > On Jun 30, 2020, at 4:19 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > We need to see an addendum or whatever sooner rather than later.  The
>> two
>> > "sides" are eating each other's faces once again on facebook, and I have
>> > died inside over it.
>> >
>> > People can disagree in good faith.  No matter what happens now or
>> whenever,
>> > I believe it is our job to accept whatever decision we collectively make
>> > whether we personally agree or not and work to make whatever that is a
>> > success.
>> >
>> > That is what I intend to do.  I am convinced that the "all or nothing"
>> > spectrums on both sides are seriously damaging our party.  There is no
>> > parity.  My position:  I want everyone to get their way.  Those who
>> wish to
>> > attend in person and those who wish to attend remotely, and that is how
>> I
>> > will vote on this body and if necessary at any in-person convention.  I
>> > respect all choices and that people have good faith reasons for holding
>> > them.  We would all be better off if we all did that IMHO.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > *In Liberty,*
>> >
>> > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
>> > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
>> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
>> faux
>> > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 12:44 AM Tim Hagan via Lnc-business <
>> >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Mr. Goldstein is likely already asleep at this late hour, so I'm
>> >> forwarding his message for the LNC members who were not at Monday's COC
>> >> meeting.
>> >>
>> >> Convention Update - Next to last one!
>> >>
>> >> On Friday, June 26th the COC was notified by Rosen Properties that
>> their
>> >> Shingle Creek property was not going to open until September. This
>> meant
>> >> that our National Convention was in jeopardy and we were in shock.
>> >>
>> >> During that initial discussion we were told that their Rosen Center
>> >> property had never closed and they proposed moving our convention to
>> >> that venue and the adjoining Orange County Convention Center. As of
>> >> today we are in possession of an outline of how that will happen and
>> >> hope to have a contract addendum ready for the LNC's approval within a
>> >> couple days. There will be no additional costs to the Libertarian Party
>> >> for this change in venue, all added costs for the Convention Center
>> will
>> >> be taken care of by Rosen Properties. We will actually have a larger
>> >> main hall at 93k sq ft and more room for exhibits and breakouts.
>> >>
>> >> All room reservations made for Shingle Creek will be moved to an
>> >> equivalent room at the Rosen Center (which was the location of our 2016
>> >> National Convention). You need not contact the hotel to change your
>> >> reservation. Also, all suite upgrades and hospitality rooms will also
>> >> have similar settings
>> >>
>> >> The COC also voted tonight to approve an addendum to the contract with
>> >> AV Group that will provide a remote convention site for NY, NJ and CT
>> >> delegates at Syracuse, NY based on discussions with the three state
>> >> chairs. This is an option we have been working on for almost two months
>> >> and had a hard deadline of today to proceed. We did with with no surety
>> >> that the delegates at Orlando will authorize remote participation but
>> >> with the faith that they will for delegates that cannot travel due to
>> >> government constraints.
>> >>
>> >> We are still planning to have a great convention at Orlando next week
>> >> and look forward to seeing many of you there.
>> >>
>> >> Live Free,
>> >>
>> >> Sam Goldstein
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Tim Hagan
>> >> Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
>> >>
>>
>> --
>
> *In Liberty,*
>
> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>
> --

*In Liberty,*

* Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
(part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *