[Lnc-business] Convention Change of Venues

[Caryn Ann Harlos]

Ms Adams if that is the opinion of the CoC I will support.  My current
opinion is predicated on the CoC not believing that.  If they do, I will
vote accordingly.  I cannot ask more than you guys have done.  You are
heros.

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 8:27 AM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
wrote:

> Whatever happens I hope we are committed to honouring the decision of this
> body and not trash talking disagreements on Facebook.
>
> The damage that was done by the failure to do that before is immeasurable.
>
> We could have been at this point unified if that practice had been
> observed from the beginning.  We are all unhappy with LNC decisions at some
> point.  I will model what I wish our chair would have done.  Imagine how
> different things could have been.  It’s sad to imagine.
>
> I will respect the decision of my colleagues.  That should always be the
> practice.  That should have happened in May.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 8:03 AM Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
>> John,
>>
>> My state chairs have proposed a similar outcome. Votes on elected
>> positions, no deliberative work, either up and down voting on plat/bylaws
>> or ensuring the work is preserves and visited down the road/ next
>> convention. I am currently at 8-1-0-3 as of the writing of this email in
>> favor of not signing another contract
>>
>> Richard Longstreth
>> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
>> Libertarian National Committee
>> richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 931.538.9300
>>
>> Sent from my Mobile Device
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 07:50 john.phillips--- via Lnc-business <
>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>
>> > Given everything else going on both on Florida and around the country,
>> as
>> > well as that apparently the convention center they want to put us in is
>> one
>> > of their Covid testing locations, (despite my online jokes about this
>> maybe
>> > being a feature not a flaw) we need to seriously consider this as a
>> time to
>> > make the decision to punt.
>> >
>> > I am polling my state chairs/officers group right now, but my
>> inclination
>> > would be to move to not accept this change and cancel an in person
>> > convention, moving elections online, with platform and bylaws either
>> being
>> > straight up down votes, or over some sort of extended time frame after
>> > elections are over with email balloting (not partial to that, but it is
>> a
>> > possible thing).
>> >
>> > John Phillips
>> > Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>> > Cell 217-412-5973
>> >
>> > On Jun 30, 2020 7:43 AM, "Alex Merced (LNC Vice Chair) via
>> Lnc-business" <
>> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > 100% this “ Debate, vote, accept, work to make a success.” 👏👏👏
>> >
>> > Alex Merced
>> > Vice Chair of the Libertarian National Committee/LP
>> >
>> > > On Jun 30, 2020, at 7:59 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>> caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
>> > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > 
>> > > If the in person does not go forward, I do hope we decide to have an
>> > electronic convention on the same days as people have already arranged
>> for
>> > time off work.
>> > >
>> > >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 5:53 AM Caryn Ann Harlos <
>> > caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>> > >> If the CoC had said they did not wish to do the work necessary I
>> would
>> > agree.  They have not, quite the contrary.  I think it would be
>> > disrespectful of everything they have done not to let them try. (As
>> well as
>> > to the delegates who want to go)
>> > >>
>> > >> From what I understand all the same safety precautions and room
>> needed
>> > is accommodated.
>> > >>
>> > >> What this does is a second bite at the apple for those who have
>> always
>> > opposed.  There may be other reasons to change one’s mind (conditions in
>> > Florida for example) but this shift isn’t anything major.
>> > >>
>> > >> Everything in the compromise still holds true and the principle of
>> > respecting everyone’s choice does as well.  Cancelling while it is still
>> > possible forecloses the choice of those who want to go.  I think we can
>> > honor all choices.
>> > >>
>> > >> That said, we are a deliberative body, and no matter what the
>> decision
>> > is, I hope everyone respects it and does not work to sow sour grapes or
>> > undermine as we have seen already over this whole thing.
>> > >>
>> > >> Debate, vote, accept, work to make a success.
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 4:15 AM Alex Merced (LNC Vice Chair) via
>> > Lnc-business <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> > >>> Will the OCCC have all the same precautions that the Rosen promised
>> As
>> > far safety (its not just size of the rooms).
>> > >>>
>> > >>> I’ve generally been in support of the compromise because it was
>> > visible that there was no way the party as a whole could move in either
>> > direction without causing major schisms but this does raise many
>> concerns.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> - Even if rooms reservations are moved and a larger main hall is
>> > attained the amount of planning for the space such as tables and
>> breakout
>> > rooms, Gala planning etc. that would need to be revisited seems like a
>> > cruel thing to ask the CoC to revisit.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> - I have seen annecdotally noticed several supporters of live
>> > convention change their mind not to go not cause their view had changed
>> but
>> > due to the pressure from family and those around them. While I intend
>> to be
>> > their if it happens, I have also seen similar levels of pressure from my
>> > loved ones.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> - The Rosen was quite adamant about having us and was quite sure
>> they
>> > would be open that weekend what assurance we have that the OCCC will
>> not do
>> > the same in the next week and half (I know you can’t control the future
>> but
>> > at this point, but there comes a point where you can only fight these
>> > headwinds so much).
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Considering the amount of logistics and timing that is now
>> reshuffled,
>> > the changing health environment I think that we can safely invoke
>> > impossibility/impracticality for the second sitting if we chose to. I
>> don’t
>> > know if this is something we are voting on, or If this ship has sailed
>> but
>> > if it comes to a vote that is how I will vote based on current
>> > circumstances.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> I do have nothing but gratitude for the efforts of the CoC to move
>> > mountains in replanning a convention in 6 weeks and don’t wish them the
>> > burden of replanning this in two weeks in a venue without the kind of
>> > vetting that was given to the Rosen in a fraction of the time.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> If the event does happen, I plan on being there but this is where my
>> > heart is at with the hearing of this new information.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Alex Merced
>> > >>> Vice Chair of the Libertarian National Committee/LP
>> > >>>
>> > >>> > On Jun 30, 2020, at 4:19 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
>> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > We need to see an addendum or whatever sooner rather than later.
>> > The two
>> > >>> > "sides" are eating each other's faces once again on facebook, and
>> I
>> > have
>> > >>> > died inside over it.
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > People can disagree in good faith.  No matter what happens now or
>> > whenever,
>> > >>> > I believe it is our job to accept whatever decision we
>> collectively
>> > make
>> > >>> > whether we personally agree or not and work to make whatever that
>> is
>> > a
>> > >>> > success.
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > That is what I intend to do.  I am convinced that the "all or
>> > nothing"
>> > >>> > spectrums on both sides are seriously damaging our party.  There
>> is
>> > no
>> > >>> > parity.  My position:  I want everyone to get their way.  Those
>> who
>> > wish to
>> > >>> > attend in person and those who wish to attend remotely, and that
>> is
>> > how I
>> > >>> > will vote on this body and if necessary at any in-person
>> > convention.  I
>> > >>> > respect all choices and that people have good faith reasons for
>> > holding
>> > >>> > them.  We would all be better off if we all did that IMHO.
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > *In Liberty,*
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>> > Syndrome
>> > >>> > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> > >>> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
>> > anyone
>> > >>> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
>> social
>> > faux
>> > >>> > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 12:44 AM Tim Hagan via Lnc-business <
>> > >>> >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> > >>> >>
>> > >>> >> Mr. Goldstein is likely already asleep at this late hour, so I'm
>> > >>> >> forwarding his message for the LNC members who were not at
>> Monday's
>> > COC
>> > >>> >> meeting.
>> > >>> >>
>> > >>> >> Convention Update - Next to last one!
>> > >>> >>
>> > >>> >> On Friday, June 26th the COC was notified by Rosen Properties
>> that
>> > their
>> > >>> >> Shingle Creek property was not going to open until September.
>> This
>> > meant
>> > >>> >> that our National Convention was in jeopardy and we were in
>> shock.
>> > >>> >>
>> > >>> >> During that initial discussion we were told that their Rosen
>> Center
>> > >>> >> property had never closed and they proposed moving our convention
>> > to
>> > >>> >> that venue and the adjoining Orange County Convention Center. As
>> of
>> > >>> >> today we are in possession of an outline of how that will happen
>> > and
>> > >>> >> hope to have a contract addendum ready for the LNC's approval
>> > within a
>> > >>> >> couple days. There will be no additional costs to the Libertarian
>> > Party
>> > >>> >> for this change in venue, all added costs for the Convention
>> Center
>> > will
>> > >>> >> be taken care of by Rosen Properties. We will actually have a
>> > larger
>> > >>> >> main hall at 93k sq ft and more room for exhibits and breakouts.
>> > >>> >>
>> > >>> >> All room reservations made for Shingle Creek will be moved to an
>> > >>> >> equivalent room at the Rosen Center (which was the location of
>> our
>> > 2016
>> > >>> >> National Convention). You need not contact the hotel to change
>> your
>> > >>> >> reservation. Also, all suite upgrades and hospitality rooms will
>> > also
>> > >>> >> have similar settings
>> > >>> >>
>> > >>> >> The COC also voted tonight to approve an addendum to the contract
>> > with
>> > >>> >> AV Group that will provide a remote convention site for NY, NJ
>> and
>> > CT
>> > >>> >> delegates at Syracuse, NY based on discussions with the three
>> state
>> > >>> >> chairs. This is an option we have been working on for almost two
>> > months
>> > >>> >> and had a hard deadline of today to proceed. We did with with no
>> > surety
>> > >>> >> that the delegates at Orlando will authorize remote participation
>> > but
>> > >>> >> with the faith that they will for delegates that cannot travel
>> due
>> > to
>> > >>> >> government constraints.
>> > >>> >>
>> > >>> >> We are still planning to have a great convention at Orlando next
>> > week
>> > >>> >> and look forward to seeing many of you there.
>> > >>> >>
>> > >>> >> Live Free,
>> > >>> >>
>> > >>> >> Sam Goldstein
>> > >>> >>
>> > >>> >> --
>> > >>> >> Tim Hagan
>> > >>> >> Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
>> > >>> >>
>> > >>>
>> > >> --
>> > >>
>> > >> In Liberty,
>> > >>
>> > >>  Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
>> > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
>> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
>> faux
>> > pas), please contact me privately and let me know.
>> > >>
>> > > --
>> > >
>> > > In Liberty,
>> > >
>> > >  Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
>> > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
>> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
>> faux
>> > pas), please contact me privately and let me know.
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Jun 30, 2020 7:43 AM, "Alex Merced (LNC Vice Chair) via
>> Lnc-business" <
>> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > 100% this “ Debate, vote, accept, work to make a success.” 👏👏👏
>> >
>> > Alex Merced
>> > Vice Chair of the Libertarian National Committee/LP
>> >
>> > > On Jun 30, 2020, at 7:59 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>> caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
>> > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > 
>> > > If the in person does not go forward, I do hope we decide to have an
>> > electronic convention on the same days as people have already arranged
>> for
>> > time off work.
>> > >
>> > >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 5:53 AM Caryn Ann Harlos <
>> > caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>> > >> If the CoC had said they did not wish to do the work necessary I
>> would
>> > agree.  They have not, quite the contrary.  I think it would be
>> > disrespectful of everything they have done not to let them try. (As
>> well as
>> > to the delegates who want to go)
>> > >>
>> > >> From what I understand all the same safety precautions and room
>> needed
>> > is accommodated.
>> > >>
>> > >> What this does is a second bite at the apple for those who have
>> always
>> > opposed.  There may be other reasons to change one’s mind (conditions in
>> > Florida for example) but this shift isn’t anything major.
>> > >>
>> > >> Everything in the compromise still holds true and the principle of
>> > respecting everyone’s choice does as well.  Cancelling while it is still
>> > possible forecloses the choice of those who want to go.  I think we can
>> > honor all choices.
>> > >>
>> > >> That said, we are a deliberative body, and no matter what the
>> decision
>> > is, I hope everyone respects it and does not work to sow sour grapes or
>> > undermine as we have seen already over this whole thing.
>> > >>
>> > >> Debate, vote, accept, work to make a success.
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 4:15 AM Alex Merced (LNC Vice Chair) via
>> > Lnc-business <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> > >>> Will the OCCC have all the same precautions that the Rosen promised
>> As
>> > far safety (its not just size of the rooms).
>> > >>>
>> > >>> I’ve generally been in support of the compromise because it was
>> > visible that there was no way the party as a whole could move in either
>> > direction without causing major schisms but this does raise many
>> concerns.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> - Even if rooms reservations are moved and a larger main hall is
>> > attained the amount of planning for the space such as tables and
>> breakout
>> > rooms, Gala planning etc. that would need to be revisited seems like a
>> > cruel thing to ask the CoC to revisit.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> - I have seen annecdotally noticed several supporters of live
>> > convention change their mind not to go not cause their view had changed
>> but
>> > due to the pressure from family and those around them. While I intend
>> to be
>> > their if it happens, I have also seen similar levels of pressure from my
>> > loved ones.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> - The Rosen was quite adamant about having us and was quite sure
>> they
>> > would be open that weekend what assurance we have that the OCCC will
>> not do
>> > the same in the next week and half (I know you can’t control the future
>> but
>> > at this point, but there comes a point where you can only fight these
>> > headwinds so much).
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Considering the amount of logistics and timing that is now
>> reshuffled,
>> > the changing health environment I think that we can safely invoke
>> > impossibility/impracticality for the second sitting if we chose to. I
>> don’t
>> > know if this is something we are voting on, or If this ship has sailed
>> but
>> > if it comes to a vote that is how I will vote based on current
>> > circumstances.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> I do have nothing but gratitude for the efforts of the CoC to move
>> > mountains in replanning a convention in 6 weeks and don’t wish them the
>> > burden of replanning this in two weeks in a venue without the kind of
>> > vetting that was given to the Rosen in a fraction of the time.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> If the event does happen, I plan on being there but this is where my
>> > heart is at with the hearing of this new information.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Alex Merced
>> > >>> Vice Chair of the Libertarian National Committee/LP
>> > >>>
>> > >>> > On Jun 30, 2020, at 4:19 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
>> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > We need to see an addendum or whatever sooner rather than later.
>> > The two
>> > >>> > "sides" are eating each other's faces once again on facebook, and
>> I
>> > have
>> > >>> > died inside over it.
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > People can disagree in good faith.  No matter what happens now or
>> > whenever,
>> > >>> > I believe it is our job to accept whatever decision we
>> collectively
>> > make
>> > >>> > whether we personally agree or not and work to make whatever that
>> is
>> > a
>> > >>> > success.
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > That is what I intend to do.  I am convinced that the "all or
>> > nothing"
>> > >>> > spectrums on both sides are seriously damaging our party.  There
>> is
>> > no
>> > >>> > parity.  My position:  I want everyone to get their way.  Those
>> who
>> > wish to
>> > >>> > attend in person and those who wish to attend remotely, and that
>> is
>> > how I
>> > >>> > will vote on this body and if necessary at any in-person
>> > convention.  I
>> > >>> > respect all choices and that people have good faith reasons for
>> > holding
>> > >>> > them.  We would all be better off if we all did that IMHO.
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > *In Liberty,*
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>> > Syndrome
>> > >>> > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> > >>> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
>> > anyone
>> > >>> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
>> social
>> > faux
>> > >>> > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 12:44 AM Tim Hagan via Lnc-business <
>> > >>> >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> > >>> >>
>> > >>> >> Mr. Goldstein is likely already asleep at this late hour, so I'm
>> > >>> >> forwarding his message for the LNC members who were not at
>> Monday's
>> > COC
>> > >>> >> meeting.
>> > >>> >>
>> > >>> >> Convention Update - Next to last one!
>> > >>> >>
>> > >>> >> On Friday, June 26th the COC was notified by Rosen Properties
>> that
>> > their
>> > >>> >> Shingle Creek property was not going to open until September.
>> This
>> > meant
>> > >>> >> that our National Convention was in jeopardy and we were in
>> shock.
>> > >>> >>
>> > >>> >> During that initial discussion we were told that their Rosen
>> Center
>> > >>> >> property had never closed and they proposed moving our convention
>> > to
>> > >>> >> that venue and the adjoining Orange County Convention Center. As
>> of
>> > >>> >> today we are in possession of an outline of how that will happen
>> > and
>> > >>> >> hope to have a contract addendum ready for the LNC's approval
>> > within a
>> > >>> >> couple days. There will be no additional costs to the Libertarian
>> > Party
>> > >>> >> for this change in venue, all added costs for the Convention
>> Center
>> > will
>> > >>> >> be taken care of by Rosen Properties. We will actually have a
>> > larger
>> > >>> >> main hall at 93k sq ft and more room for exhibits and breakouts.
>> > >>> >>
>> > >>> >> All room reservations made for Shingle Creek will be moved to an
>> > >>> >> equivalent room at the Rosen Center (which was the location of
>> our
>> > 2016
>> > >>> >> National Convention). You need not contact the hotel to change
>> your
>> > >>> >> reservation. Also, all suite upgrades and hospitality rooms will
>> > also
>> > >>> >> have similar settings
>> > >>> >>
>> > >>> >> The COC also voted tonight to approve an addendum to the contract
>> > with
>> > >>> >> AV Group that will provide a remote convention site for NY, NJ
>> and
>> > CT
>> > >>> >> delegates at Syracuse, NY based on discussions with the three
>> state
>> > >>> >> chairs. This is an option we have been working on for almost two
>> > months
>> > >>> >> and had a hard deadline of today to proceed. We did with with no
>> > surety
>> > >>> >> that the delegates at Orlando will authorize remote participation
>> > but
>> > >>> >> with the faith that they will for delegates that cannot travel
>> due
>> > to
>> > >>> >> government constraints.
>> > >>> >>
>> > >>> >> We are still planning to have a great convention at Orlando next
>> > week
>> > >>> >> and look forward to seeing many of you there.
>> > >>> >>
>> > >>> >> Live Free,
>> > >>> >>
>> > >>> >> Sam Goldstein
>> > >>> >>
>> > >>> >> --
>> > >>> >> Tim Hagan
>> > >>> >> Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
>> > >>> >>
>> > >>>
>> > >> --
>> > >>
>> > >> In Liberty,
>> > >>
>> > >>  Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
>> > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
>> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
>> faux
>> > pas), please contact me privately and let me know.
>> > >>
>> > > --
>> > >
>> > > In Liberty,
>> > >
>> > >  Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
>> > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
>> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
>> faux
>> > pas), please contact me privately and let me know.
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Jun 30, 2020 7:43 AM, "Alex Merced (LNC Vice Chair) via
>> Lnc-business" <
>> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > 100% this “ Debate, vote, accept, work to make a success.” 👏👏👏
>> >
>> > Alex Merced
>> > Vice Chair of the Libertarian National Committee/LP
>> >
>> > > On Jun 30, 2020, at 7:59 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>> caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
>> > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > 
>> > > If the in person does not go forward, I do hope we decide to have an
>> > electronic convention on the same days as people have already arranged
>> for
>> > time off work.
>> > >
>> > >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 5:53 AM Caryn Ann Harlos <
>> > caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>> > >> If the CoC had said they did not wish to do the work necessary I
>> would
>> > agree.  They have not, quite the contrary.  I think it would be
>> > disrespectful of everything they have done not to let them try. (As
>> well as
>> > to the delegates who want to go)
>> > >>
>> > >> From what I understand all the same safety precautions and room
>> needed
>> > is accommodated.
>> > >>
>> > >> What this does is a second bite at the apple for those who have
>> always
>> > opposed.  There may be other reasons to change one’s mind (conditions in
>> > Florida for example) but this shift isn’t anything major.
>> > >>
>> > >> Everything in the compromise still holds true and the principle of
>> > respecting everyone’s choice does as well.  Cancelling while it is still
>> > possible forecloses the choice of those who want to go.  I think we can
>> > honor all choices.
>> > >>
>> > >> That said, we are a deliberative body, and no matter what the
>> decision
>> > is, I hope everyone respects it and does not work to sow sour grapes or
>> > undermine as we have seen already over this whole thing.
>> > >>
>> > >> Debate, vote, accept, work to make a success.
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 4:15 AM Alex Merced (LNC Vice Chair) via
>> > Lnc-business <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> > >>> Will the OCCC have all the same precautions that the Rosen promised
>> As
>> > far safety (its not just size of the rooms).
>> > >>>
>> > >>> I’ve generally been in support of the compromise because it was
>> > visible that there was no way the party as a whole could move in either
>> > direction without causing major schisms but this does raise many
>> concerns.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> - Even if rooms reservations are moved and a larger main hall is
>> > attained the amount of planning for the space such as tables and
>> breakout
>> > rooms, Gala planning etc. that would need to be revisited seems like a
>> > cruel thing to ask the CoC to revisit.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> - I have seen annecdotally noticed several supporters of live
>> > convention change their mind not to go not cause their view had changed
>> but
>> > due to the pressure from family and those around them. While I intend
>> to be
>> > their if it happens, I have also seen similar levels of pressure from my
>> > loved ones.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> - The Rosen was quite adamant about having us and was quite sure
>> they
>> > would be open that weekend what assurance we have that the OCCC will
>> not do
>> > the same in the next week and half (I know you can’t control the future
>> but
>> > at this point, but there comes a point where you can only fight these
>> > headwinds so much).
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Considering the amount of logistics and timing that is now
>> reshuffled,
>> > the changing health environment I think that we can safely invoke
>> > impossibility/impracticality for the second sitting if we chose to. I
>> don’t
>> > know if this is something we are voting on, or If this ship has sailed
>> but
>> > if it comes to a vote that is how I will vote based on current
>> > circumstances.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> I do have nothing but gratitude for the efforts of the CoC to move
>> > mountains in replanning a convention in 6 weeks and don’t wish them the
>> > burden of replanning this in two weeks in a venue without the kind of
>> > vetting that was given to the Rosen in a fraction of the time.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> If the event does happen, I plan on being there but this is where my
>> > heart is at with the hearing of this new information.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Alex Merced
>> > >>> Vice Chair of the Libertarian National Committee/LP
>> > >>>
>> > >>> > On Jun 30, 2020, at 4:19 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
>> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > We need to see an addendum or whatever sooner rather than later.
>> > The two
>> > >>> > "sides" are eating each other's faces once again on facebook, and
>> I
>> > have
>> > >>> > died inside over it.
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > People can disagree in good faith.  No matter what happens now or
>> > whenever,
>> > >>> > I believe it is our job to accept whatever decision we
>> collectively
>> > make
>> > >>> > whether we personally agree or not and work to make whatever that
>> is
>> > a
>> > >>> > success.
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > That is what I intend to do.  I am convinced that the "all or
>> > nothing"
>> > >>> > spectrums on both sides are seriously damaging our party.  There
>> is
>> > no
>> > >>> > parity.  My position:  I want everyone to get their way.  Those
>> who
>> > wish to
>> > >>> > attend in person and those who wish to attend remotely, and that
>> is
>> > how I
>> > >>> > will vote on this body and if necessary at any in-person
>> > convention.  I
>> > >>> > respect all choices and that people have good faith reasons for
>> > holding
>> > >>> > them.  We would all be better off if we all did that IMHO.
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > *In Liberty,*
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>> > Syndrome
>> > >>> > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> > >>> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
>> > anyone
>> > >>> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
>> social
>> > faux
>> > >>> > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 12:44 AM Tim Hagan via Lnc-business <
>> > >>> >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> > >>> >>
>> > >>> >> Mr. Goldstein is likely already asleep at this late hour, so I'm
>> > >>> >> forwarding his message for the LNC members who were not at
>> Monday's
>> > COC
>> > >>> >> meeting.
>> > >>> >>
>> > >>> >> Convention Update - Next to last one!
>> > >>> >>
>> > >>> >> On Friday, June 26th the COC was notified by Rosen Properties
>> that
>> > their
>> > >>> >> Shingle Creek property was not going to open until September.
>> This
>> > meant
>> > >>> >> that our National Convention was in jeopardy and we were in
>> shock.
>> > >>> >>
>> > >>> >> During that initial discussion we were told that their Rosen
>> Center
>> > >>> >> property had never closed and they proposed moving our convention
>> > to
>> > >>> >> that venue and the adjoining Orange County Convention Center. As
>> of
>> > >>> >> today we are in possession of an outline of how that will happen
>> > and
>> > >>> >> hope to have a contract addendum ready for the LNC's approval
>> > within a
>> > >>> >> couple days. There will be no additional costs to the Libertarian
>> > Party
>> > >>> >> for this change in venue, all added costs for the Convention
>> Center
>> > will
>> > >>> >> be taken care of by Rosen Properties. We will actually have a
>> > larger
>> > >>> >> main hall at 93k sq ft and more room for exhibits and breakouts.
>> > >>> >>
>> > >>> >> All room reservations made for Shingle Creek will be moved to an
>> > >>> >> equivalent room at the Rosen Center (which was the location of
>> our
>> > 2016
>> > >>> >> National Convention). You need not contact the hotel to change
>> your
>> > >>> >> reservation. Also, all suite upgrades and hospitality rooms will
>> > also
>> > >>> >> have similar settings
>> > >>> >>
>> > >>> >> The COC also voted tonight to approve an addendum to the contract
>> > with
>> > >>> >> AV Group that will provide a remote convention site for NY, NJ
>> and
>> > CT
>> > >>> >> delegates at Syracuse, NY based on discussions with the three
>> state
>> > >>> >> chairs. This is an option we have been working on for almost two
>> > months
>> > >>> >> and had a hard deadline of today to proceed. We did with with no
>> > surety
>> > >>> >> that the delegates at Orlando will authorize remote participation
>> > but
>> > >>> >> with the faith that they will for delegates that cannot travel
>> due
>> > to
>> > >>> >> government constraints.
>> > >>> >>
>> > >>> >> We are still planning to have a great convention at Orlando next
>> > week
>> > >>> >> and look forward to seeing many of you there.
>> > >>> >>
>> > >>> >> Live Free,
>> > >>> >>
>> > >>> >> Sam Goldstein
>> > >>> >>
>> > >>> >> --
>> > >>> >> Tim Hagan
>> > >>> >> Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
>> > >>> >>
>> > >>>
>> > >> --
>> > >>
>> > >> In Liberty,
>> > >>
>> > >>  Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
>> > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
>> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
>> faux
>> > pas), please contact me privately and let me know.
>> > >>
>> > > --
>> > >
>> > > In Liberty,
>> > >
>> > >  Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
>> > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
>> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
>> faux
>> > pas), please contact me privately and let me know.
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
> --
>
> *In Liberty,*
>
> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>
> --

*In Liberty,*

* Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
(part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *