[Lnc-business] Convention Change of Venues

Tim Hagan tim.hagan at lp.org
Tue Jun 30 10:41:55 EDT 2020


If we cancel, will we get the deposits back from Rosen and the A/V
vendor?

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Tim Hagan
Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee 

On 2020-06-30 07:38, erin.adams--- via Lnc-business wrote:

> That is my opinion as a committee member. I do not speak for the entire committee. I think the Rosen group only offered us this "option" in order to mitigate their damages. Under force majeure its a wash but if they cancel they owe us damages. I dont believe that they believe they will be hosting an event. I feel like they want to cancel and are trying to pass the buck in order to mitigate damages. I belive our committee chair agrees with me
> 
> Erin Adams Region 7 alt. 
> 
> On Jun 30, 2020 9:30 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> 
>> Ms Adams if that is the opinion of the CoC I will support.  My current 
>> opinion is predicated on the CoC not believing that.  If they do, I will 
>> vote accordingly.  I cannot ask more than you guys have done.  You are 
>> heros. 
>> 
>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 8:27 AM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> 
>> wrote: 
>> 
>>> Whatever happens I hope we are committed to honouring the decision of this 
>>> body and not trash talking disagreements on Facebook. 
>>> 
>>> The damage that was done by the failure to do that before is immeasurable. 
>>> 
>>> We could have been at this point unified if that practice had been 
>>> observed from the beginning.  We are all unhappy with LNC decisions at some 
>>> point.  I will model what I wish our chair would have done.  Imagine how 
>>> different things could have been.  It's sad to imagine. 
>>> 
>>> I will respect the decision of my colleagues.  That should always be the 
>>> practice.  That should have happened in May. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 8:03 AM Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business < 
>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote: 
>>> 
>>>> John, 
>>>> 
>>>> My state chairs have proposed a similar outcome. Votes on elected 
>>>> positions, no deliberative work, either up and down voting on plat/bylaws 
>>>> or ensuring the work is preserves and visited down the road/ next 
>>>> convention. I am currently at 8-1-0-3 as of the writing of this email in 
>>>> favor of not signing another contract 
>>>> 
>>>> Richard Longstreth 
>>>> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY) 
>>>> Libertarian National Committee 
>>>> richard.longstreth at lp.org 
>>>> 931.538.9300 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my Mobile Device 
>>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 07:50 john.phillips--- via Lnc-business < 
>>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote: 
>>>> 
>>>>> Given everything else going on both on Florida and around the country, 
>>>> as 
>>>>> well as that apparently the convention center they want to put us in is 
>>>> one 
>>>>> of their Covid testing locations, (despite my online jokes about this 
>>>> maybe 
>>>>> being a feature not a flaw) we need to seriously consider this as a 
>>>> time to 
>>>>> make the decision to punt. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am polling my state chairs/officers group right now, but my 
>>>> inclination 
>>>>> would be to move to not accept this change and cancel an in person 
>>>>> convention, moving elections online, with platform and bylaws either 
>>>> being 
>>>>> straight up down votes, or over some sort of extended time frame after 
>>>>> elections are over with email balloting (not partial to that, but it is 
>>>> a 
>>>>> possible thing). 
>>>>> 
>>>>> John Phillips 
>>>>> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative 
>>>>> Cell 217-412-5973 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 30, 2020 7:43 AM, "Alex Merced (LNC Vice Chair) via 
>>>> Lnc-business" < 
>>>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote: 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 100% this " Debate, vote, accept, work to make a success." 👏👏👏 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Alex Merced 
>>>>> Vice Chair of the Libertarian National Committee/LP 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 30, 2020, at 7:59 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos < 
>>>> caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> 
>>>>> wrote: 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If the in person does not go forward, I do hope we decide to have an 
>>>>> electronic convention on the same days as people have already arranged 
>>>> for 
>>>>> time off work. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 5:53 AM Caryn Ann Harlos < 
>>>>> caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote: 
>>>>>>> If the CoC had said they did not wish to do the work necessary I 
>>>> would 
>>>>> agree.  They have not, quite the contrary.  I think it would be 
>>>>> disrespectful of everything they have done not to let them try. (As 
>>>> well as 
>>>>> to the delegates who want to go) 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> From what I understand all the same safety precautions and room 
>>>> needed 
>>>>> is accommodated. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> What this does is a second bite at the apple for those who have 
>>>> always 
>>>>> opposed.  There may be other reasons to change one's mind (conditions in 
>>>>> Florida for example) but this shift isn't anything major. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Everything in the compromise still holds true and the principle of 
>>>>> respecting everyone's choice does as well.  Cancelling while it is still 
>>>>> possible forecloses the choice of those who want to go.  I think we can 
>>>>> honor all choices. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> That said, we are a deliberative body, and no matter what the 
>>>> decision 
>>>>> is, I hope everyone respects it and does not work to sow sour grapes or 
>>>>> undermine as we have seen already over this whole thing. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Debate, vote, accept, work to make a success. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 4:15 AM Alex Merced (LNC Vice Chair) via 
>>>>> Lnc-business <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote: 
>>>>>>>> Will the OCCC have all the same precautions that the Rosen promised 
>>>> As 
>>>>> far safety (its not just size of the rooms). 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I've generally been in support of the compromise because it was 
>>>>> visible that there was no way the party as a whole could move in either 
>>>>> direction without causing major schisms but this does raise many 
>>>> concerns. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> - Even if rooms reservations are moved and a larger main hall is 
>>>>> attained the amount of planning for the space such as tables and 
>>>> breakout 
>>>>> rooms, Gala planning etc. that would need to be revisited seems like a 
>>>>> cruel thing to ask the CoC to revisit. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> - I have seen annecdotally noticed several supporters of live 
>>>>> convention change their mind not to go not cause their view had changed 
>>>> but 
>>>>> due to the pressure from family and those around them. While I intend 
>>>> to be 
>>>>> their if it happens, I have also seen similar levels of pressure from my 
>>>>> loved ones. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> - The Rosen was quite adamant about having us and was quite sure 
>>>> they 
>>>>> would be open that weekend what assurance we have that the OCCC will 
>>>> not do 
>>>>> the same in the next week and half (I know you can't control the future 
>>>> but 
>>>>> at this point, but there comes a point where you can only fight these 
>>>>> headwinds so much). 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Considering the amount of logistics and timing that is now 
>>>> reshuffled, 
>>>>> the changing health environment I think that we can safely invoke 
>>>>> impossibility/impracticality for the second sitting if we chose to. I 
>>>> don't 
>>>>> know if this is something we are voting on, or If this ship has sailed 
>>>> but 
>>>>> if it comes to a vote that is how I will vote based on current 
>>>>> circumstances. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I do have nothing but gratitude for the efforts of the CoC to move 
>>>>> mountains in replanning a convention in 6 weeks and don't wish them the 
>>>>> burden of replanning this in two weeks in a venue without the kind of 
>>>>> vetting that was given to the Rosen in a fraction of the time. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> If the event does happen, I plan on being there but this is where my 
>>>>> heart is at with the hearing of this new information. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Alex Merced 
>>>>>>>> Vice Chair of the Libertarian National Committee/LP 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> > On Jun 30, 2020, at 4:19 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business < 
>>>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote: 
>>>>>>>> > 
>>>>>>>> > We need to see an addendum or whatever sooner rather than later. 
>>>>> The two 
>>>>>>>> > "sides" are eating each other's faces once again on facebook, and 
>>>> I 
>>>>> have 
>>>>>>>> > died inside over it. 
>>>>>>>> > 
>>>>>>>> > People can disagree in good faith.  No matter what happens now or 
>>>>> whenever, 
>>>>>>>> > I believe it is our job to accept whatever decision we 
>>>> collectively 
>>>>> make 
>>>>>>>> > whether we personally agree or not and work to make whatever that 
>>>> is 
>>>>> a 
>>>>>>>> > success. 
>>>>>>>> > 
>>>>>>>> > That is what I intend to do.  I am convinced that the "all or 
>>>>> nothing" 
>>>>>>>> > spectrums on both sides are seriously damaging our party.  There 
>>>> is 
>>>>> no 
>>>>>>>> > parity.  My position:  I want everyone to get their way.  Those 
>>>> who 
>>>>> wish to 
>>>>>>>> > attend in person and those who wish to attend remotely, and that 
>>>> is 
>>>>> how I 
>>>>>>>> > will vote on this body and if necessary at any in-person 
>>>>> convention.  I 
>>>>>>>> > respect all choices and that people have good faith reasons for 
>>>>> holding 
>>>>>>>> > them.  We would all be better off if we all did that IMHO. 
>>>>>>>> > 
>>>>>>>> > 
>>>>>>>> > 
>>>>>>>> > *In Liberty,* 
>>>>>>>> > 
>>>>>>>> > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's 
>>>>> Syndrome 
>>>>>>>> > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal 
>>>>>>>> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If 
>>>>> anyone 
>>>>>>>> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other 
>>>> social 
>>>>> faux 
>>>>>>>> > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. * 
>>>>>>>> > 
>>>>>>>> > 
>>>>>>>> > 
>>>>>>>> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 12:44 AM Tim Hagan via Lnc-business < 
>>>>>>>> >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote: 
>>>>>>>> >> 
>>>>>>>> >> Mr. Goldstein is likely already asleep at this late hour, so I'm 
>>>>>>>> >> forwarding his message for the LNC members who were not at 
>>>> Monday's 
>>>>> COC 
>>>>>>>> >> meeting. 
>>>>>>>> >> 
>>>>>>>> >> Convention Update - Next to last one! 
>>>>>>>> >> 
>>>>>>>> >> On Friday, June 26th the COC was notified by Rosen Properties 
>>>> that 
>>>>> their 
>>>>>>>> >> Shingle Creek property was not going to open until September. 
>>>> This 
>>>>> meant 
>>>>>>>> >> that our National Convention was in jeopardy and we were in 
>>>> shock. 
>>>>>>>> >> 
>>>>>>>> >> During that initial discussion we were told that their Rosen 
>>>> Center 
>>>>>>>> >> property had never closed and they proposed moving our convention 
>>>>> to 
>>>>>>>> >> that venue and the adjoining Orange County Convention Center. As 
>>>> of 
>>>>>>>> >> today we are in possession of an outline of how that will happen 
>>>>> and 
>>>>>>>> >> hope to have a contract addendum ready for the LNC's approval 
>>>>> within a 
>>>>>>>> >> couple days. There will be no additional costs to the Libertarian 
>>>>> Party 
>>>>>>>> >> for this change in venue, all added costs for the Convention 
>>>> Center 
>>>>> will 
>>>>>>>> >> be taken care of by Rosen Properties. We will actually have a 
>>>>> larger 
>>>>>>>> >> main hall at 93k sq ft and more room for exhibits and breakouts. 
>>>>>>>> >> 
>>>>>>>> >> All room reservations made for Shingle Creek will be moved to an 
>>>>>>>> >> equivalent room at the Rosen Center (which was the location of 
>>>> our 
>>>>> 2016 
>>>>>>>> >> National Convention). You need not contact the hotel to change 
>>>> your 
>>>>>>>> >> reservation. Also, all suite upgrades and hospitality rooms will 
>>>>> also 
>>>>>>>> >> have similar settings 
>>>>>>>> >> 
>>>>>>>> >> The COC also voted tonight to approve an addendum to the contract 
>>>>> with 
>>>>>>>> >> AV Group that will provide a remote convention site for NY, NJ 
>>>> and 
>>>>> CT 
>>>>>>>> >> delegates at Syracuse, NY based on discussions with the three 
>>>> state 
>>>>>>>> >> chairs. This is an option we have been working on for almost two 
>>>>> months 
>>>>>>>> >> and had a hard deadline of today to proceed. We did with with no 
>>>>> surety 
>>>>>>>> >> that the delegates at Orlando will authorize remote participation 
>>>>> but 
>>>>>>>> >> with the faith that they will for delegates that cannot travel 
>>>> due 
>>>>> to 
>>>>>>>> >> government constraints. 
>>>>>>>> >> 
>>>>>>>> >> We are still planning to have a great convention at Orlando next 
>>>>> week 
>>>>>>>> >> and look forward to seeing many of you there. 
>>>>>>>> >> 
>>>>>>>> >> Live Free, 
>>>>>>>> >> 
>>>>>>>> >> Sam Goldstein 
>>>>>>>> >> 
>>>>>>>> >> -- 
>>>>>>>> >> Tim Hagan 
>>>>>>>> >> Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee 
>>>>>>>> >> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> In Liberty, 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome 
>>>>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal 
>>>>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone 
>>>>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social 
>>>> faux 
>>>>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> In Liberty, 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome 
>>>>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal 
>>>>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone 
>>>>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social 
>>>> faux 
>>>>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 30, 2020 7:43 AM, "Alex Merced (LNC Vice Chair) via 
>>>> Lnc-business" < 
>>>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote: 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 100% this " Debate, vote, accept, work to make a success." 👏👏👏 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Alex Merced 
>>>>> Vice Chair of the Libertarian National Committee/LP 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 30, 2020, at 7:59 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos < 
>>>> caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> 
>>>>> wrote: 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If the in person does not go forward, I do hope we decide to have an 
>>>>> electronic convention on the same days as people have already arranged 
>>>> for 
>>>>> time off work. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 5:53 AM Caryn Ann Harlos < 
>>>>> caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote: 
>>>>>>> If the CoC had said they did not wish to do the work necessary I 
>>>> would 
>>>>> agree.  They have not, quite the contrary.  I think it would be 
>>>>> disrespectful of everything they have done not to let them try. (As 
>>>> well as 
>>>>> to the delegates who want to go) 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> From what I understand all the same safety precautions and room 
>>>> needed 
>>>>> is accommodated. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> What this does is a second bite at the apple for those who have 
>>>> always 
>>>>> opposed.  There may be other reasons to change one's mind (conditions in 
>>>>> Florida for example) but this shift isn't anything major. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Everything in the compromise still holds true and the principle of 
>>>>> respecting everyone's choice does as well.  Cancelling while it is still 
>>>>> possible forecloses the choice of those who want to go.  I think we can 
>>>>> honor all choices. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> That said, we are a deliberative body, and no matter what the 
>>>> decision 
>>>>> is, I hope everyone respects it and does not work to sow sour grapes or 
>>>>> undermine as we have seen already over this whole thing. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Debate, vote, accept, work to make a success. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 4:15 AM Alex Merced (LNC Vice Chair) via 
>>>>> Lnc-business <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote: 
>>>>>>>> Will the OCCC have all the same precautions that the Rosen promised 
>>>> As 
>>>>> far safety (its not just size of the rooms). 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I've generally been in support of the compromise because it was 
>>>>> visible that there was no way the party as a whole could move in either 
>>>>> direction without causing major schisms but this does raise many 
>>>> concerns. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> - Even if rooms reservations are moved and a larger main hall is 
>>>>> attained the amount of planning for the space such as tables and 
>>>> breakout 
>>>>> rooms, Gala planning etc. that would need to be revisited seems like a 
>>>>> cruel thing to ask the CoC to revisit. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> - I have seen annecdotally noticed several supporters of live 
>>>>> convention change their mind not to go not cause their view had changed 
>>>> but 
>>>>> due to the pressure from family and those around them. While I intend 
>>>> to be 
>>>>> their if it happens, I have also seen similar levels of pressure from my 
>>>>> loved ones. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> - The Rosen was quite adamant about having us and was quite sure 
>>>> they 
>>>>> would be open that weekend what assurance we have that the OCCC will 
>>>> not do 
>>>>> the same in the next week and half (I know you can't control the future 
>>>> but 
>>>>> at this point, but there comes a point where you can only fight these 
>>>>> headwinds so much). 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Considering the amount of logistics and timing that is now 
>>>> reshuffled, 
>>>>> the changing health environment I think that we can safely invoke 
>>>>> impossibility/impracticality for the second sitting if we chose to. I 
>>>> don't 
>>>>> know if this is something we are voting on, or If this ship has sailed 
>>>> but 
>>>>> if it comes to a vote that is how I will vote based on current 
>>>>> circumstances. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I do have nothing but gratitude for the efforts of the CoC to move 
>>>>> mountains in replanning a convention in 6 weeks and don't wish them the 
>>>>> burden of replanning this in two weeks in a venue without the kind of 
>>>>> vetting that was given to the Rosen in a fraction of the time. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> If the event does happen, I plan on being there but this is where my 
>>>>> heart is at with the hearing of this new information. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Alex Merced 
>>>>>>>> Vice Chair of the Libertarian National Committee/LP 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> > On Jun 30, 2020, at 4:19 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business < 
>>>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote: 
>>>>>>>> > 
>>>>>>>> > We need to see an addendum or whatever sooner rather than later. 
>>>>> The two 
>>>>>>>> > "sides" are eating each other's faces once again on facebook, and 
>>>> I 
>>>>> have 
>>>>>>>> > died inside over it. 
>>>>>>>> > 
>>>>>>>> > People can disagree in good faith.  No matter what happens now or 
>>>>> whenever, 
>>>>>>>> > I believe it is our job to accept whatever decision we 
>>>> collectively 
>>>>> make 
>>>>>>>> > whether we personally agree or not and work to make whatever that 
>>>> is 
>>>>> a 
>>>>>>>> > success. 
>>>>>>>> > 
>>>>>>>> > That is what I intend to do.  I am convinced that the "all or 
>>>>> nothing" 
>>>>>>>> > spectrums on both sides are seriously damaging our party.  There 
>>>> is 
>>>>> no 
>>>>>>>> > parity.  My position:  I want everyone to get their way.  Those 
>>>> who 
>>>>> wish to 
>>>>>>>> > attend in person and those who wish to attend remotely, and that 
>>>> is 
>>>>> how I 
>>>>>>>> > will vote on this body and if necessary at any in-person 
>>>>> convention.  I 
>>>>>>>> > respect all choices and that people have good faith reasons for 
>>>>> holding 
>>>>>>>> > them.  We would all be better off if we all did that IMHO. 
>>>>>>>> > 
>>>>>>>> > 
>>>>>>>> > 
>>>>>>>> > *In Liberty,* 
>>>>>>>> > 
>>>>>>>> > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's 
>>>>> Syndrome 
>>>>>>>> > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal 
>>>>>>>> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If 
>>>>> anyone 
>>>>>>>> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other 
>>>> social 
>>>>> faux 
>>>>>>>> > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. * 
>>>>>>>> > 
>>>>>>>> > 
>>>>>>>> > 
>>>>>>>> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 12:44 AM Tim Hagan via Lnc-business < 
>>>>>>>> >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote: 
>>>>>>>> >> 
>>>>>>>> >> Mr. Goldstein is likely already asleep at this late hour, so I'm 
>>>>>>>> >> forwarding his message for the LNC members who were not at 
>>>> Monday's 
>>>>> COC 
>>>>>>>> >> meeting. 
>>>>>>>> >> 
>>>>>>>> >> Convention Update - Next to last one! 
>>>>>>>> >> 
>>>>>>>> >> On Friday, June 26th the COC was notified by Rosen Properties 
>>>> that 
>>>>> their 
>>>>>>>> >> Shingle Creek property was not going to open until September. 
>>>> This 
>>>>> meant 
>>>>>>>> >> that our National Convention was in jeopardy and we were in 
>>>> shock. 
>>>>>>>> >> 
>>>>>>>> >> During that initial discussion we were told that their Rosen 
>>>> Center 
>>>>>>>> >> property had never closed and they proposed moving our convention 
>>>>> to 
>>>>>>>> >> that venue and the adjoining Orange County Convention Center. As 
>>>> of 
>>>>>>>> >> today we are in possession of an outline of how that will happen 
>>>>> and 
>>>>>>>> >> hope to have a contract addendum ready for the LNC's approval 
>>>>> within a 
>>>>>>>> >> couple days. There will be no additional costs to the Libertarian 
>>>>> Party 
>>>>>>>> >> for this change in venue, all added costs for the Convention 
>>>> Center 
>>>>> will 
>>>>>>>> >> be taken care of by Rosen Properties. We will actually have a 
>>>>> larger 
>>>>>>>> >> main hall at 93k sq ft and more room for exhibits and breakouts. 
>>>>>>>> >> 
>>>>>>>> >> All room reservations made for Shingle Creek will be moved to an 
>>>>>>>> >> equivalent room at the Rosen Center (which was the location of 
>>>> our 
>>>>> 2016 
>>>>>>>> >> National Convention). You need not contact the hotel to change 
>>>> your 
>>>>>>>> >> reservation. Also, all suite upgrades and hospitality rooms will 
>>>>> also 
>>>>>>>> >> have similar settings 
>>>>>>>> >> 
>>>>>>>> >> The COC also voted tonight to approve an addendum to the contract 
>>>>> with 
>>>>>>>> >> AV Group that will provide a remote convention site for NY, NJ 
>>>> and 
>>>>> CT 
>>>>>>>> >> delegates at Syracuse, NY based on discussions with the three 
>>>> state 
>>>>>>>> >> chairs. This is an option we have been working on for almost two 
>>>>> months 
>>>>>>>> >> and had a hard deadline of today to proceed. We did with with no 
>>>>> surety 
>>>>>>>> >> that the delegates at Orlando will authorize remote participation 
>>>>> but 
>>>>>>>> >> with the faith that they will for delegates that cannot travel 
>>>> due 
>>>>> to 
>>>>>>>> >> government constraints. 
>>>>>>>> >> 
>>>>>>>> >> We are still planning to have a great convention at Orlando next 
>>>>> week 
>>>>>>>> >> and look forward to seeing many of you there. 
>>>>>>>> >> 
>>>>>>>> >> Live Free, 
>>>>>>>> >> 
>>>>>>>> >> Sam Goldstein 
>>>>>>>> >> 
>>>>>>>> >> -- 
>>>>>>>> >> Tim Hagan 
>>>>>>>> >> Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee 
>>>>>>>> >> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> In Liberty, 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome 
>>>>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal 
>>>>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone 
>>>>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social 
>>>> faux 
>>>>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> In Liberty, 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome 
>>>>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal 
>>>>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone 
>>>>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social 
>>>> faux 
>>>>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 30, 2020 7:43 AM, "Alex Merced (LNC Vice Chair) via 
>>>> Lnc-business" < 
>>>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote: 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 100% this " Debate, vote, accept, work to make a success." 👏👏👏 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Alex Merced 
>>>>> Vice Chair of the Libertarian National Committee/LP 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 30, 2020, at 7:59 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos < 
>>>> caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> 
>>>>> wrote: 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If the in person does not go forward, I do hope we decide to have an 
>>>>> electronic convention on the same days as people have already arranged 
>>>> for 
>>>>> time off work. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 5:53 AM Caryn Ann Harlos < 
>>>>> caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote: 
>>>>>>> If the CoC had said they did not wish to do the work necessary I 
>>>> would 
>>>>> agree.  They have not, quite the contrary.  I think it would be 
>>>>> disrespectful of everything they have done not to let them try. (As 
>>>> well as 
>>>>> to the delegates who want to go) 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> From what I understand all the same safety precautions and room 
>>>> needed 
>>>>> is accommodated. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> What this does is a second bite at the apple for those who have 
>>>> always 
>>>>> opposed.  There may be other reasons to change one's mind (conditions in 
>>>>> Florida for example) but this shift isn't anything major. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Everything in the compromise still holds true and the principle of 
>>>>> respecting everyone's choice does as well.  Cancelling while it is still 
>>>>> possible forecloses the choice of those who want to go.  I think we can 
>>>>> honor all choices. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> That said, we are a deliberative body, and no matter what the 
>>>> decision 
>>>>> is, I hope everyone respects it and does not work to sow sour grapes or 
>>>>> undermine as we have seen already over this whole thing. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Debate, vote, accept, work to make a success. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 4:15 AM Alex Merced (LNC Vice Chair) via 
>>>>> Lnc-business <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote: 
>>>>>>>> Will the OCCC have all the same precautions that the Rosen promised 
>>>> As 
>>>>> far safety (its not just size of the rooms). 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I've generally been in support of the compromise because it was 
>>>>> visible that there was no way the party as a whole could move in either 
>>>>> direction without causing major schisms but this does raise many 
>>>> concerns. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> - Even if rooms reservations are moved and a larger main hall is 
>>>>> attained the amount of planning for the space such as tables and 
>>>> breakout 
>>>>> rooms, Gala planning etc. that would need to be revisited seems like a 
>>>>> cruel thing to ask the CoC to revisit. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> - I have seen annecdotally noticed several supporters of live 
>>>>> convention change their mind not to go not cause their view had changed 
>>>> but 
>>>>> due to the pressure from family and those around them. While I intend 
>>>> to be 
>>>>> their if it happens, I have also seen similar levels of pressure from my 
>>>>> loved ones. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> - The Rosen was quite adamant about having us and was quite sure 
>>>> they 
>>>>> would be open that weekend what assurance we have that the OCCC will 
>>>> not do 
>>>>> the same in the next week and half (I know you can't control the future 
>>>> but 
>>>>> at this point, but there comes a point where you can only fight these 
>>>>> headwinds so much). 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Considering the amount of logistics and timing that is now 
>>>> reshuffled, 
>>>>> the changing health environment I think that we can safely invoke 
>>>>> impossibility/impracticality for the second sitting if we chose to. I 
>>>> don't 
>>>>> know if this is something we are voting on, or If this ship has sailed 
>>>> but 
>>>>> if it comes to a vote that is how I will vote based on current 
>>>>> circumstances. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I do have nothing but gratitude for the efforts of the CoC to move 
>>>>> mountains in replanning a convention in 6 weeks and don't wish them the 
>>>>> burden of replanning this in two weeks in a venue without the kind of 
>>>>> vetting that was given to the Rosen in a fraction of the time. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> If the event does happen, I plan on being there but this is where my 
>>>>> heart is at with the hearing of this new information. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Alex Merced 
>>>>>>>> Vice Chair of the Libertarian National Committee/LP 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> > On Jun 30, 2020, at 4:19 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business < 
>>>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote: 
>>>>>>>> > 
>>>>>>>> > We need to see an addendum or whatever sooner rather than later. 
>>>>> The two 
>>>>>>>> > "sides" are eating each other's faces once again on facebook, and 
>>>> I 
>>>>> have 
>>>>>>>> > died inside over it. 
>>>>>>>> > 
>>>>>>>> > People can disagree in good faith.  No matter what happens now or 
>>>>> whenever, 
>>>>>>>> > I believe it is our job to accept whatever decision we 
>>>> collectively 
>>>>> make 
>>>>>>>> > whether we personally agree or not and work to make whatever that 
>>>> is 
>>>>> a 
>>>>>>>> > success. 
>>>>>>>> > 
>>>>>>>> > That is what I intend to do.  I am convinced that the "all or 
>>>>> nothing" 
>>>>>>>> > spectrums on both sides are seriously damaging our party.  There 
>>>> is 
>>>>> no 
>>>>>>>> > parity.  My position:  I want everyone to get their way.  Those 
>>>> who 
>>>>> wish to 
>>>>>>>> > attend in person and those who wish to attend remotely, and that 
>>>> is 
>>>>> how I 
>>>>>>>> > will vote on this body and if necessary at any in-person 
>>>>> convention.  I 
>>>>>>>> > respect all choices and that people have good faith reasons for 
>>>>> holding 
>>>>>>>> > them.  We would all be better off if we all did that IMHO. 
>>>>>>>> > 
>>>>>>>> > 
>>>>>>>> > 
>>>>>>>> > *In Liberty,* 
>>>>>>>> > 
>>>>>>>> > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's 
>>>>> Syndrome 
>>>>>>>> > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal 
>>>>>>>> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If 
>>>>> anyone 
>>>>>>>> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other 
>>>> social 
>>>>> faux 
>>>>>>>> > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. * 
>>>>>>>> > 
>>>>>>>> > 
>>>>>>>> > 
>>>>>>>> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 12:44 AM Tim Hagan via Lnc-business < 
>>>>>>>> >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote: 
>>>>>>>> >> 
>>>>>>>> >> Mr. Goldstein is likely already asleep at this late hour, so I'm 
>>>>>>>> >> forwarding his message for the LNC members who were not at 
>>>> Monday's 
>>>>> COC 
>>>>>>>> >> meeting. 
>>>>>>>> >> 
>>>>>>>> >> Convention Update - Next to last one! 
>>>>>>>> >> 
>>>>>>>> >> On Friday, June 26th the COC was notified by Rosen Properties 
>>>> that 
>>>>> their 
>>>>>>>> >> Shingle Creek property was not going to open until September. 
>>>> This 
>>>>> meant 
>>>>>>>> >> that our National Convention was in jeopardy and we were in 
>>>> shock. 
>>>>>>>> >> 
>>>>>>>> >> During that initial discussion we were told that their Rosen 
>>>> Center 
>>>>>>>> >> property had never closed and they proposed moving our convention 
>>>>> to 
>>>>>>>> >> that venue and the adjoining Orange County Convention Center. As 
>>>> of 
>>>>>>>> >> today we are in possession of an outline of how that will happen 
>>>>> and 
>>>>>>>> >> hope to have a contract addendum ready for the LNC's approval 
>>>>> within a 
>>>>>>>> >> couple days. There will be no additional costs to the Libertarian 
>>>>> Party 
>>>>>>>> >> for this change in venue, all added costs for the Convention 
>>>> Center 
>>>>> will 
>>>>>>>> >> be taken care of by Rosen Properties. We will actually have a 
>>>>> larger 
>>>>>>>> >> main hall at 93k sq ft and more room for exhibits and breakouts. 
>>>>>>>> >> 
>>>>>>>> >> All room reservations made for Shingle Creek will be moved to an 
>>>>>>>> >> equivalent room at the Rosen Center (which was the location of 
>>>> our 
>>>>> 2016 
>>>>>>>> >> National Convention). You need not contact the hotel to change 
>>>> your 
>>>>>>>> >> reservation. Also, all suite upgrades and hospitality rooms will 
>>>>> also 
>>>>>>>> >> have similar settings 
>>>>>>>> >> 
>>>>>>>> >> The COC also voted tonight to approve an addendum to the contract 
>>>>> with 
>>>>>>>> >> AV Group that will provide a remote convention site for NY, NJ 
>>>> and 
>>>>> CT 
>>>>>>>> >> delegates at Syracuse, NY based on discussions with the three 
>>>> state 
>>>>>>>> >> chairs. This is an option we have been working on for almost two 
>>>>> months 
>>>>>>>> >> and had a hard deadline of today to proceed. We did with with no 
>>>>> surety 
>>>>>>>> >> that the delegates at Orlando will authorize remote participation 
>>>>> but 
>>>>>>>> >> with the faith that they will for delegates that cannot travel 
>>>> due 
>>>>> to 
>>>>>>>> >> government constraints. 
>>>>>>>> >> 
>>>>>>>> >> We are still planning to have a great convention at Orlando next 
>>>>> week 
>>>>>>>> >> and look forward to seeing many of you there. 
>>>>>>>> >> 
>>>>>>>> >> Live Free, 
>>>>>>>> >> 
>>>>>>>> >> Sam Goldstein 
>>>>>>>> >> 
>>>>>>>> >> -- 
>>>>>>>> >> Tim Hagan 
>>>>>>>> >> Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee 
>>>>>>>> >> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> In Liberty, 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome 
>>>>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal 
>>>>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone 
>>>>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social 
>>>> faux 
>>>>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> In Liberty, 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome 
>>>>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal 
>>>>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone 
>>>>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social 
>>>> faux 
>>>>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> 
>>> *In Liberty,* 
>>> 
>>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome 
>>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal 
>>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone 
>>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux 
>>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. * 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>> 
>> *In Liberty,* 
>> 
>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome 
>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal 
>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone 
>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux 
>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *


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