[Lnc-business] Convention Change of Venues
Tim Hagan
tim.hagan at lp.org
Tue Jun 30 10:41:55 EDT 2020
If we cancel, will we get the deposits back from Rosen and the A/V
vendor?
---
Tim Hagan
Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
On 2020-06-30 07:38, erin.adams--- via Lnc-business wrote:
> That is my opinion as a committee member. I do not speak for the entire committee. I think the Rosen group only offered us this "option" in order to mitigate their damages. Under force majeure its a wash but if they cancel they owe us damages. I dont believe that they believe they will be hosting an event. I feel like they want to cancel and are trying to pass the buck in order to mitigate damages. I belive our committee chair agrees with me
>
> Erin Adams Region 7 alt.
>
> On Jun 30, 2020 9:30 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
>> Ms Adams if that is the opinion of the CoC I will support. My current
>> opinion is predicated on the CoC not believing that. If they do, I will
>> vote accordingly. I cannot ask more than you guys have done. You are
>> heros.
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 8:27 AM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Whatever happens I hope we are committed to honouring the decision of this
>>> body and not trash talking disagreements on Facebook.
>>>
>>> The damage that was done by the failure to do that before is immeasurable.
>>>
>>> We could have been at this point unified if that practice had been
>>> observed from the beginning. We are all unhappy with LNC decisions at some
>>> point. I will model what I wish our chair would have done. Imagine how
>>> different things could have been. It's sad to imagine.
>>>
>>> I will respect the decision of my colleagues. That should always be the
>>> practice. That should have happened in May.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 8:03 AM Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business <
>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> John,
>>>>
>>>> My state chairs have proposed a similar outcome. Votes on elected
>>>> positions, no deliberative work, either up and down voting on plat/bylaws
>>>> or ensuring the work is preserves and visited down the road/ next
>>>> convention. I am currently at 8-1-0-3 as of the writing of this email in
>>>> favor of not signing another contract
>>>>
>>>> Richard Longstreth
>>>> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
>>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>>> richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>>> 931.538.9300
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my Mobile Device
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 07:50 john.phillips--- via Lnc-business <
>>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Given everything else going on both on Florida and around the country,
>>>> as
>>>>> well as that apparently the convention center they want to put us in is
>>>> one
>>>>> of their Covid testing locations, (despite my online jokes about this
>>>> maybe
>>>>> being a feature not a flaw) we need to seriously consider this as a
>>>> time to
>>>>> make the decision to punt.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am polling my state chairs/officers group right now, but my
>>>> inclination
>>>>> would be to move to not accept this change and cancel an in person
>>>>> convention, moving elections online, with platform and bylaws either
>>>> being
>>>>> straight up down votes, or over some sort of extended time frame after
>>>>> elections are over with email balloting (not partial to that, but it is
>>>> a
>>>>> possible thing).
>>>>>
>>>>> John Phillips
>>>>> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>>>>> Cell 217-412-5973
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 30, 2020 7:43 AM, "Alex Merced (LNC Vice Chair) via
>>>> Lnc-business" <
>>>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> 100% this " Debate, vote, accept, work to make a success." 👏👏👏
>>>>>
>>>>> Alex Merced
>>>>> Vice Chair of the Libertarian National Committee/LP
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jun 30, 2020, at 7:59 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>> caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If the in person does not go forward, I do hope we decide to have an
>>>>> electronic convention on the same days as people have already arranged
>>>> for
>>>>> time off work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 5:53 AM Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>> caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> If the CoC had said they did not wish to do the work necessary I
>>>> would
>>>>> agree. They have not, quite the contrary. I think it would be
>>>>> disrespectful of everything they have done not to let them try. (As
>>>> well as
>>>>> to the delegates who want to go)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From what I understand all the same safety precautions and room
>>>> needed
>>>>> is accommodated.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What this does is a second bite at the apple for those who have
>>>> always
>>>>> opposed. There may be other reasons to change one's mind (conditions in
>>>>> Florida for example) but this shift isn't anything major.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Everything in the compromise still holds true and the principle of
>>>>> respecting everyone's choice does as well. Cancelling while it is still
>>>>> possible forecloses the choice of those who want to go. I think we can
>>>>> honor all choices.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That said, we are a deliberative body, and no matter what the
>>>> decision
>>>>> is, I hope everyone respects it and does not work to sow sour grapes or
>>>>> undermine as we have seen already over this whole thing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Debate, vote, accept, work to make a success.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 4:15 AM Alex Merced (LNC Vice Chair) via
>>>>> Lnc-business <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Will the OCCC have all the same precautions that the Rosen promised
>>>> As
>>>>> far safety (its not just size of the rooms).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've generally been in support of the compromise because it was
>>>>> visible that there was no way the party as a whole could move in either
>>>>> direction without causing major schisms but this does raise many
>>>> concerns.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - Even if rooms reservations are moved and a larger main hall is
>>>>> attained the amount of planning for the space such as tables and
>>>> breakout
>>>>> rooms, Gala planning etc. that would need to be revisited seems like a
>>>>> cruel thing to ask the CoC to revisit.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - I have seen annecdotally noticed several supporters of live
>>>>> convention change their mind not to go not cause their view had changed
>>>> but
>>>>> due to the pressure from family and those around them. While I intend
>>>> to be
>>>>> their if it happens, I have also seen similar levels of pressure from my
>>>>> loved ones.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - The Rosen was quite adamant about having us and was quite sure
>>>> they
>>>>> would be open that weekend what assurance we have that the OCCC will
>>>> not do
>>>>> the same in the next week and half (I know you can't control the future
>>>> but
>>>>> at this point, but there comes a point where you can only fight these
>>>>> headwinds so much).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Considering the amount of logistics and timing that is now
>>>> reshuffled,
>>>>> the changing health environment I think that we can safely invoke
>>>>> impossibility/impracticality for the second sitting if we chose to. I
>>>> don't
>>>>> know if this is something we are voting on, or If this ship has sailed
>>>> but
>>>>> if it comes to a vote that is how I will vote based on current
>>>>> circumstances.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I do have nothing but gratitude for the efforts of the CoC to move
>>>>> mountains in replanning a convention in 6 weeks and don't wish them the
>>>>> burden of replanning this in two weeks in a venue without the kind of
>>>>> vetting that was given to the Rosen in a fraction of the time.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If the event does happen, I plan on being there but this is where my
>>>>> heart is at with the hearing of this new information.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Alex Merced
>>>>>>>> Vice Chair of the Libertarian National Committee/LP
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > On Jun 30, 2020, at 4:19 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
>>>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > We need to see an addendum or whatever sooner rather than later.
>>>>> The two
>>>>>>>> > "sides" are eating each other's faces once again on facebook, and
>>>> I
>>>>> have
>>>>>>>> > died inside over it.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > People can disagree in good faith. No matter what happens now or
>>>>> whenever,
>>>>>>>> > I believe it is our job to accept whatever decision we
>>>> collectively
>>>>> make
>>>>>>>> > whether we personally agree or not and work to make whatever that
>>>> is
>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> > success.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > That is what I intend to do. I am convinced that the "all or
>>>>> nothing"
>>>>>>>> > spectrums on both sides are seriously damaging our party. There
>>>> is
>>>>> no
>>>>>>>> > parity. My position: I want everyone to get their way. Those
>>>> who
>>>>> wish to
>>>>>>>> > attend in person and those who wish to attend remotely, and that
>>>> is
>>>>> how I
>>>>>>>> > will vote on this body and if necessary at any in-person
>>>>> convention. I
>>>>>>>> > respect all choices and that people have good faith reasons for
>>>>> holding
>>>>>>>> > them. We would all be better off if we all did that IMHO.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>>>>> Syndrome
>>>>>>>> > (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
>>>>>>>> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If
>>>>> anyone
>>>>>>>> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
>>>> social
>>>>> faux
>>>>>>>> > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 12:44 AM Tim Hagan via Lnc-business <
>>>>>>>> >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> Mr. Goldstein is likely already asleep at this late hour, so I'm
>>>>>>>> >> forwarding his message for the LNC members who were not at
>>>> Monday's
>>>>> COC
>>>>>>>> >> meeting.
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> Convention Update - Next to last one!
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> On Friday, June 26th the COC was notified by Rosen Properties
>>>> that
>>>>> their
>>>>>>>> >> Shingle Creek property was not going to open until September.
>>>> This
>>>>> meant
>>>>>>>> >> that our National Convention was in jeopardy and we were in
>>>> shock.
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> During that initial discussion we were told that their Rosen
>>>> Center
>>>>>>>> >> property had never closed and they proposed moving our convention
>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> >> that venue and the adjoining Orange County Convention Center. As
>>>> of
>>>>>>>> >> today we are in possession of an outline of how that will happen
>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> >> hope to have a contract addendum ready for the LNC's approval
>>>>> within a
>>>>>>>> >> couple days. There will be no additional costs to the Libertarian
>>>>> Party
>>>>>>>> >> for this change in venue, all added costs for the Convention
>>>> Center
>>>>> will
>>>>>>>> >> be taken care of by Rosen Properties. We will actually have a
>>>>> larger
>>>>>>>> >> main hall at 93k sq ft and more room for exhibits and breakouts.
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> All room reservations made for Shingle Creek will be moved to an
>>>>>>>> >> equivalent room at the Rosen Center (which was the location of
>>>> our
>>>>> 2016
>>>>>>>> >> National Convention). You need not contact the hotel to change
>>>> your
>>>>>>>> >> reservation. Also, all suite upgrades and hospitality rooms will
>>>>> also
>>>>>>>> >> have similar settings
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> The COC also voted tonight to approve an addendum to the contract
>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> >> AV Group that will provide a remote convention site for NY, NJ
>>>> and
>>>>> CT
>>>>>>>> >> delegates at Syracuse, NY based on discussions with the three
>>>> state
>>>>>>>> >> chairs. This is an option we have been working on for almost two
>>>>> months
>>>>>>>> >> and had a hard deadline of today to proceed. We did with with no
>>>>> surety
>>>>>>>> >> that the delegates at Orlando will authorize remote participation
>>>>> but
>>>>>>>> >> with the faith that they will for delegates that cannot travel
>>>> due
>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> >> government constraints.
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> We are still planning to have a great convention at Orlando next
>>>>> week
>>>>>>>> >> and look forward to seeing many of you there.
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> Live Free,
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> Sam Goldstein
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> --
>>>>>>>> >> Tim Hagan
>>>>>>>> >> Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In Liberty,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
>>>>> (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
>>>>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone
>>>>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
>>>> faux
>>>>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In Liberty,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
>>>>> (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
>>>>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone
>>>>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
>>>> faux
>>>>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 30, 2020 7:43 AM, "Alex Merced (LNC Vice Chair) via
>>>> Lnc-business" <
>>>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> 100% this " Debate, vote, accept, work to make a success." 👏👏👏
>>>>>
>>>>> Alex Merced
>>>>> Vice Chair of the Libertarian National Committee/LP
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jun 30, 2020, at 7:59 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>> caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If the in person does not go forward, I do hope we decide to have an
>>>>> electronic convention on the same days as people have already arranged
>>>> for
>>>>> time off work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 5:53 AM Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>> caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> If the CoC had said they did not wish to do the work necessary I
>>>> would
>>>>> agree. They have not, quite the contrary. I think it would be
>>>>> disrespectful of everything they have done not to let them try. (As
>>>> well as
>>>>> to the delegates who want to go)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From what I understand all the same safety precautions and room
>>>> needed
>>>>> is accommodated.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What this does is a second bite at the apple for those who have
>>>> always
>>>>> opposed. There may be other reasons to change one's mind (conditions in
>>>>> Florida for example) but this shift isn't anything major.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Everything in the compromise still holds true and the principle of
>>>>> respecting everyone's choice does as well. Cancelling while it is still
>>>>> possible forecloses the choice of those who want to go. I think we can
>>>>> honor all choices.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That said, we are a deliberative body, and no matter what the
>>>> decision
>>>>> is, I hope everyone respects it and does not work to sow sour grapes or
>>>>> undermine as we have seen already over this whole thing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Debate, vote, accept, work to make a success.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 4:15 AM Alex Merced (LNC Vice Chair) via
>>>>> Lnc-business <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Will the OCCC have all the same precautions that the Rosen promised
>>>> As
>>>>> far safety (its not just size of the rooms).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've generally been in support of the compromise because it was
>>>>> visible that there was no way the party as a whole could move in either
>>>>> direction without causing major schisms but this does raise many
>>>> concerns.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - Even if rooms reservations are moved and a larger main hall is
>>>>> attained the amount of planning for the space such as tables and
>>>> breakout
>>>>> rooms, Gala planning etc. that would need to be revisited seems like a
>>>>> cruel thing to ask the CoC to revisit.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - I have seen annecdotally noticed several supporters of live
>>>>> convention change their mind not to go not cause their view had changed
>>>> but
>>>>> due to the pressure from family and those around them. While I intend
>>>> to be
>>>>> their if it happens, I have also seen similar levels of pressure from my
>>>>> loved ones.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - The Rosen was quite adamant about having us and was quite sure
>>>> they
>>>>> would be open that weekend what assurance we have that the OCCC will
>>>> not do
>>>>> the same in the next week and half (I know you can't control the future
>>>> but
>>>>> at this point, but there comes a point where you can only fight these
>>>>> headwinds so much).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Considering the amount of logistics and timing that is now
>>>> reshuffled,
>>>>> the changing health environment I think that we can safely invoke
>>>>> impossibility/impracticality for the second sitting if we chose to. I
>>>> don't
>>>>> know if this is something we are voting on, or If this ship has sailed
>>>> but
>>>>> if it comes to a vote that is how I will vote based on current
>>>>> circumstances.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I do have nothing but gratitude for the efforts of the CoC to move
>>>>> mountains in replanning a convention in 6 weeks and don't wish them the
>>>>> burden of replanning this in two weeks in a venue without the kind of
>>>>> vetting that was given to the Rosen in a fraction of the time.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If the event does happen, I plan on being there but this is where my
>>>>> heart is at with the hearing of this new information.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Alex Merced
>>>>>>>> Vice Chair of the Libertarian National Committee/LP
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > On Jun 30, 2020, at 4:19 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
>>>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > We need to see an addendum or whatever sooner rather than later.
>>>>> The two
>>>>>>>> > "sides" are eating each other's faces once again on facebook, and
>>>> I
>>>>> have
>>>>>>>> > died inside over it.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > People can disagree in good faith. No matter what happens now or
>>>>> whenever,
>>>>>>>> > I believe it is our job to accept whatever decision we
>>>> collectively
>>>>> make
>>>>>>>> > whether we personally agree or not and work to make whatever that
>>>> is
>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> > success.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > That is what I intend to do. I am convinced that the "all or
>>>>> nothing"
>>>>>>>> > spectrums on both sides are seriously damaging our party. There
>>>> is
>>>>> no
>>>>>>>> > parity. My position: I want everyone to get their way. Those
>>>> who
>>>>> wish to
>>>>>>>> > attend in person and those who wish to attend remotely, and that
>>>> is
>>>>> how I
>>>>>>>> > will vote on this body and if necessary at any in-person
>>>>> convention. I
>>>>>>>> > respect all choices and that people have good faith reasons for
>>>>> holding
>>>>>>>> > them. We would all be better off if we all did that IMHO.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>>>>> Syndrome
>>>>>>>> > (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
>>>>>>>> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If
>>>>> anyone
>>>>>>>> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
>>>> social
>>>>> faux
>>>>>>>> > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 12:44 AM Tim Hagan via Lnc-business <
>>>>>>>> >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> Mr. Goldstein is likely already asleep at this late hour, so I'm
>>>>>>>> >> forwarding his message for the LNC members who were not at
>>>> Monday's
>>>>> COC
>>>>>>>> >> meeting.
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> Convention Update - Next to last one!
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> On Friday, June 26th the COC was notified by Rosen Properties
>>>> that
>>>>> their
>>>>>>>> >> Shingle Creek property was not going to open until September.
>>>> This
>>>>> meant
>>>>>>>> >> that our National Convention was in jeopardy and we were in
>>>> shock.
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> During that initial discussion we were told that their Rosen
>>>> Center
>>>>>>>> >> property had never closed and they proposed moving our convention
>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> >> that venue and the adjoining Orange County Convention Center. As
>>>> of
>>>>>>>> >> today we are in possession of an outline of how that will happen
>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> >> hope to have a contract addendum ready for the LNC's approval
>>>>> within a
>>>>>>>> >> couple days. There will be no additional costs to the Libertarian
>>>>> Party
>>>>>>>> >> for this change in venue, all added costs for the Convention
>>>> Center
>>>>> will
>>>>>>>> >> be taken care of by Rosen Properties. We will actually have a
>>>>> larger
>>>>>>>> >> main hall at 93k sq ft and more room for exhibits and breakouts.
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> All room reservations made for Shingle Creek will be moved to an
>>>>>>>> >> equivalent room at the Rosen Center (which was the location of
>>>> our
>>>>> 2016
>>>>>>>> >> National Convention). You need not contact the hotel to change
>>>> your
>>>>>>>> >> reservation. Also, all suite upgrades and hospitality rooms will
>>>>> also
>>>>>>>> >> have similar settings
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> The COC also voted tonight to approve an addendum to the contract
>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> >> AV Group that will provide a remote convention site for NY, NJ
>>>> and
>>>>> CT
>>>>>>>> >> delegates at Syracuse, NY based on discussions with the three
>>>> state
>>>>>>>> >> chairs. This is an option we have been working on for almost two
>>>>> months
>>>>>>>> >> and had a hard deadline of today to proceed. We did with with no
>>>>> surety
>>>>>>>> >> that the delegates at Orlando will authorize remote participation
>>>>> but
>>>>>>>> >> with the faith that they will for delegates that cannot travel
>>>> due
>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> >> government constraints.
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> We are still planning to have a great convention at Orlando next
>>>>> week
>>>>>>>> >> and look forward to seeing many of you there.
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> Live Free,
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> Sam Goldstein
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> --
>>>>>>>> >> Tim Hagan
>>>>>>>> >> Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In Liberty,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
>>>>> (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
>>>>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone
>>>>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
>>>> faux
>>>>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In Liberty,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
>>>>> (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
>>>>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone
>>>>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
>>>> faux
>>>>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 30, 2020 7:43 AM, "Alex Merced (LNC Vice Chair) via
>>>> Lnc-business" <
>>>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> 100% this " Debate, vote, accept, work to make a success." 👏👏👏
>>>>>
>>>>> Alex Merced
>>>>> Vice Chair of the Libertarian National Committee/LP
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jun 30, 2020, at 7:59 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>> caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If the in person does not go forward, I do hope we decide to have an
>>>>> electronic convention on the same days as people have already arranged
>>>> for
>>>>> time off work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 5:53 AM Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>> caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> If the CoC had said they did not wish to do the work necessary I
>>>> would
>>>>> agree. They have not, quite the contrary. I think it would be
>>>>> disrespectful of everything they have done not to let them try. (As
>>>> well as
>>>>> to the delegates who want to go)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From what I understand all the same safety precautions and room
>>>> needed
>>>>> is accommodated.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What this does is a second bite at the apple for those who have
>>>> always
>>>>> opposed. There may be other reasons to change one's mind (conditions in
>>>>> Florida for example) but this shift isn't anything major.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Everything in the compromise still holds true and the principle of
>>>>> respecting everyone's choice does as well. Cancelling while it is still
>>>>> possible forecloses the choice of those who want to go. I think we can
>>>>> honor all choices.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That said, we are a deliberative body, and no matter what the
>>>> decision
>>>>> is, I hope everyone respects it and does not work to sow sour grapes or
>>>>> undermine as we have seen already over this whole thing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Debate, vote, accept, work to make a success.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 4:15 AM Alex Merced (LNC Vice Chair) via
>>>>> Lnc-business <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Will the OCCC have all the same precautions that the Rosen promised
>>>> As
>>>>> far safety (its not just size of the rooms).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've generally been in support of the compromise because it was
>>>>> visible that there was no way the party as a whole could move in either
>>>>> direction without causing major schisms but this does raise many
>>>> concerns.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - Even if rooms reservations are moved and a larger main hall is
>>>>> attained the amount of planning for the space such as tables and
>>>> breakout
>>>>> rooms, Gala planning etc. that would need to be revisited seems like a
>>>>> cruel thing to ask the CoC to revisit.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - I have seen annecdotally noticed several supporters of live
>>>>> convention change their mind not to go not cause their view had changed
>>>> but
>>>>> due to the pressure from family and those around them. While I intend
>>>> to be
>>>>> their if it happens, I have also seen similar levels of pressure from my
>>>>> loved ones.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - The Rosen was quite adamant about having us and was quite sure
>>>> they
>>>>> would be open that weekend what assurance we have that the OCCC will
>>>> not do
>>>>> the same in the next week and half (I know you can't control the future
>>>> but
>>>>> at this point, but there comes a point where you can only fight these
>>>>> headwinds so much).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Considering the amount of logistics and timing that is now
>>>> reshuffled,
>>>>> the changing health environment I think that we can safely invoke
>>>>> impossibility/impracticality for the second sitting if we chose to. I
>>>> don't
>>>>> know if this is something we are voting on, or If this ship has sailed
>>>> but
>>>>> if it comes to a vote that is how I will vote based on current
>>>>> circumstances.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I do have nothing but gratitude for the efforts of the CoC to move
>>>>> mountains in replanning a convention in 6 weeks and don't wish them the
>>>>> burden of replanning this in two weeks in a venue without the kind of
>>>>> vetting that was given to the Rosen in a fraction of the time.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If the event does happen, I plan on being there but this is where my
>>>>> heart is at with the hearing of this new information.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Alex Merced
>>>>>>>> Vice Chair of the Libertarian National Committee/LP
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > On Jun 30, 2020, at 4:19 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
>>>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > We need to see an addendum or whatever sooner rather than later.
>>>>> The two
>>>>>>>> > "sides" are eating each other's faces once again on facebook, and
>>>> I
>>>>> have
>>>>>>>> > died inside over it.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > People can disagree in good faith. No matter what happens now or
>>>>> whenever,
>>>>>>>> > I believe it is our job to accept whatever decision we
>>>> collectively
>>>>> make
>>>>>>>> > whether we personally agree or not and work to make whatever that
>>>> is
>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> > success.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > That is what I intend to do. I am convinced that the "all or
>>>>> nothing"
>>>>>>>> > spectrums on both sides are seriously damaging our party. There
>>>> is
>>>>> no
>>>>>>>> > parity. My position: I want everyone to get their way. Those
>>>> who
>>>>> wish to
>>>>>>>> > attend in person and those who wish to attend remotely, and that
>>>> is
>>>>> how I
>>>>>>>> > will vote on this body and if necessary at any in-person
>>>>> convention. I
>>>>>>>> > respect all choices and that people have good faith reasons for
>>>>> holding
>>>>>>>> > them. We would all be better off if we all did that IMHO.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>>>>> Syndrome
>>>>>>>> > (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
>>>>>>>> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If
>>>>> anyone
>>>>>>>> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
>>>> social
>>>>> faux
>>>>>>>> > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 12:44 AM Tim Hagan via Lnc-business <
>>>>>>>> >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> Mr. Goldstein is likely already asleep at this late hour, so I'm
>>>>>>>> >> forwarding his message for the LNC members who were not at
>>>> Monday's
>>>>> COC
>>>>>>>> >> meeting.
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> Convention Update - Next to last one!
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> On Friday, June 26th the COC was notified by Rosen Properties
>>>> that
>>>>> their
>>>>>>>> >> Shingle Creek property was not going to open until September.
>>>> This
>>>>> meant
>>>>>>>> >> that our National Convention was in jeopardy and we were in
>>>> shock.
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> During that initial discussion we were told that their Rosen
>>>> Center
>>>>>>>> >> property had never closed and they proposed moving our convention
>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> >> that venue and the adjoining Orange County Convention Center. As
>>>> of
>>>>>>>> >> today we are in possession of an outline of how that will happen
>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> >> hope to have a contract addendum ready for the LNC's approval
>>>>> within a
>>>>>>>> >> couple days. There will be no additional costs to the Libertarian
>>>>> Party
>>>>>>>> >> for this change in venue, all added costs for the Convention
>>>> Center
>>>>> will
>>>>>>>> >> be taken care of by Rosen Properties. We will actually have a
>>>>> larger
>>>>>>>> >> main hall at 93k sq ft and more room for exhibits and breakouts.
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> All room reservations made for Shingle Creek will be moved to an
>>>>>>>> >> equivalent room at the Rosen Center (which was the location of
>>>> our
>>>>> 2016
>>>>>>>> >> National Convention). You need not contact the hotel to change
>>>> your
>>>>>>>> >> reservation. Also, all suite upgrades and hospitality rooms will
>>>>> also
>>>>>>>> >> have similar settings
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> The COC also voted tonight to approve an addendum to the contract
>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> >> AV Group that will provide a remote convention site for NY, NJ
>>>> and
>>>>> CT
>>>>>>>> >> delegates at Syracuse, NY based on discussions with the three
>>>> state
>>>>>>>> >> chairs. This is an option we have been working on for almost two
>>>>> months
>>>>>>>> >> and had a hard deadline of today to proceed. We did with with no
>>>>> surety
>>>>>>>> >> that the delegates at Orlando will authorize remote participation
>>>>> but
>>>>>>>> >> with the faith that they will for delegates that cannot travel
>>>> due
>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> >> government constraints.
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> We are still planning to have a great convention at Orlando next
>>>>> week
>>>>>>>> >> and look forward to seeing many of you there.
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> Live Free,
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> Sam Goldstein
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> --
>>>>>>>> >> Tim Hagan
>>>>>>>> >> Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In Liberty,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
>>>>> (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
>>>>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone
>>>>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
>>>> faux
>>>>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In Liberty,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
>>>>> (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
>>>>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone
>>>>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
>>>> faux
>>>>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>
>>> * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
>>> (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
>>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone
>>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
>>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>>>
>>> --
>>
>> *In Liberty,*
>>
>> * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
>> (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone
>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
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