[Lnc-business] Convention Change of Venues

[Caryn Ann Harlos]

We should demand performance under the terms agreed and collect all the
damages we can.

We were betrayed by Rosen.

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 9:04 AM erin.adams--- via Lnc-business <
lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:

> I want to be clear that shifting this to online does not mean that costs
> will not be incurred. The convention oversight committee has received bills
> for over $12,000 for the first sitting alone. There will be costs
> regardless there is no way around that and holding a Convention of some
> type is still bylaws mandated and must still be done
>
>
> Erin Adams Region 7 alt.
>
> On Jun 30, 2020 9:50 AM, erin.adams at lp.org wrote:
>
> We will owe the AV vendor some money but we will get at least one remote
> site out of that that could be used in an online sitting and the reality is
> an online process will cost money so I'm okay with spending that. As far as
> the hotel, I think that depends and how this all "ends"
>
> Erin Adams Region 7 alt.
>
> On Jun 30, 2020 9:41 AM, Tim Hagan via Lnc-business <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
> If we cancel, will we get the deposits back from Rosen and the A/V
> vendor?
>
> ---
> Tim Hagan
> Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
>
> On 2020-06-30 07:38, erin.adams--- via Lnc-business wrote:
>
> > That is my opinion as a committee member. I do not speak for the entire
> committee. I think the Rosen group only offered us this "option" in order
> to mitigate their damages. Under force majeure its a wash but if they
> cancel they owe us damages. I dont believe that they believe they will be
> hosting an event. I feel like they want to cancel and are trying to pass
> the buck in order to mitigate damages. I belive our committee chair agrees
> with me
> >
> > Erin Adams Region 7 alt.
> >
> > On Jun 30, 2020 9:30 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Ms Adams if that is the opinion of the CoC I will support.  My current
> >> opinion is predicated on the CoC not believing that.  If they do, I
> will
> >> vote accordingly.  I cannot ask more than you guys have done.  You are
> >> heros.
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 8:27 AM Caryn Ann Harlos <
> caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Whatever happens I hope we are committed to honouring the decision of
> this
> >>> body and not trash talking disagreements on Facebook.
> >>>
> >>> The damage that was done by the failure to do that before is
> immeasurable.
> >>>
> >>> We could have been at this point unified if that practice had been
> >>> observed from the beginning.  We are all unhappy with LNC decisions at
> some
> >>> point.  I will model what I wish our chair would have done.  Imagine
> how
> >>> different things could have been.  It's sad to imagine.
> >>>
> >>> I will respect the decision of my colleagues.  That should always be
> the
> >>> practice.  That should have happened in May.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 8:03 AM Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business <
> >>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> John,
> >>>>
> >>>> My state chairs have proposed a similar outcome. Votes on elected
> >>>> positions, no deliberative work, either up and down voting on
> plat/bylaws
> >>>> or ensuring the work is preserves and visited down the road/ next
> >>>> convention. I am currently at 8-1-0-3 as of the writing of this email
> in
> >>>> favor of not signing another contract
> >>>>
> >>>> Richard Longstreth
> >>>> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
> >>>> Libertarian National Committee
> >>>> richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>>> 931.538.9300
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my Mobile Device
> >>>>
> >>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 07:50 john.phillips--- via Lnc-business <
> >>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Given everything else going on both on Florida and around the
> country,
> >>>> as
> >>>>> well as that apparently the convention center they want to put us in
> is
> >>>> one
> >>>>> of their Covid testing locations, (despite my online jokes about
> this
> >>>> maybe
> >>>>> being a feature not a flaw) we need to seriously consider this as a
> >>>> time to
> >>>>> make the decision to punt.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I am polling my state chairs/officers group right now, but my
> >>>> inclination
> >>>>> would be to move to not accept this change and cancel an in person
> >>>>> convention, moving elections online, with platform and bylaws either
> >>>> being
> >>>>> straight up down votes, or over some sort of extended time frame
> after
> >>>>> elections are over with email balloting (not partial to that, but it
> is
> >>>> a
> >>>>> possible thing).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> John Phillips
> >>>>> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
> >>>>> Cell 217-412-5973
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Jun 30, 2020 7:43 AM, "Alex Merced (LNC Vice Chair) via
> >>>> Lnc-business" <
> >>>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 100% this " Debate, vote, accept, work to make a success." 👏👏👏
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Alex Merced
> >>>>> Vice Chair of the Libertarian National Committee/LP
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Jun 30, 2020, at 7:59 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
> >>>> caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If the in person does not go forward, I do hope we decide to have
> an
> >>>>> electronic convention on the same days as people have already
> arranged
> >>>> for
> >>>>> time off work.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 5:53 AM Caryn Ann Harlos <
> >>>>> caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>> If the CoC had said they did not wish to do the work necessary I
> >>>> would
> >>>>> agree.  They have not, quite the contrary.  I think it would be
> >>>>> disrespectful of everything they have done not to let them try. (As
> >>>> well as
> >>>>> to the delegates who want to go)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> From what I understand all the same safety precautions and room
> >>>> needed
> >>>>> is accommodated.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> What this does is a second bite at the apple for those who have
> >>>> always
> >>>>> opposed.  There may be other reasons to change one's mind
> (conditions in
> >>>>> Florida for example) but this shift isn't anything major.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Everything in the compromise still holds true and the principle of
> >>>>> respecting everyone's choice does as well.  Cancelling while it is
> still
> >>>>> possible forecloses the choice of those who want to go.  I think we
> can
> >>>>> honor all choices.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> That said, we are a deliberative body, and no matter what the
> >>>> decision
> >>>>> is, I hope everyone respects it and does not work to sow sour grapes
> or
> >>>>> undermine as we have seen already over this whole thing.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Debate, vote, accept, work to make a success.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 4:15 AM Alex Merced (LNC Vice Chair) via
> >>>>> Lnc-business <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Will the OCCC have all the same precautions that the Rosen
> promised
> >>>> As
> >>>>> far safety (its not just size of the rooms).
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I've generally been in support of the compromise because it was
> >>>>> visible that there was no way the party as a whole could move in
> either
> >>>>> direction without causing major schisms but this does raise many
> >>>> concerns.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> - Even if rooms reservations are moved and a larger main hall is
> >>>>> attained the amount of planning for the space such as tables and
> >>>> breakout
> >>>>> rooms, Gala planning etc. that would need to be revisited seems like
> a
> >>>>> cruel thing to ask the CoC to revisit.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> - I have seen annecdotally noticed several supporters of live
> >>>>> convention change their mind not to go not cause their view had
> changed
> >>>> but
> >>>>> due to the pressure from family and those around them. While I
> intend
> >>>> to be
> >>>>> their if it happens, I have also seen similar levels of pressure
> from my
> >>>>> loved ones.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> - The Rosen was quite adamant about having us and was quite sure
> >>>> they
> >>>>> would be open that weekend what assurance we have that the OCCC will
> >>>> not do
> >>>>> the same in the next week and half (I know you can't control the
> future
> >>>> but
> >>>>> at this point, but there comes a point where you can only fight
> these
> >>>>> headwinds so much).
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Considering the amount of logistics and timing that is now
> >>>> reshuffled,
> >>>>> the changing health environment I think that we can safely invoke
> >>>>> impossibility/impracticality for the second sitting if we chose to.
> I
> >>>> don't
> >>>>> know if this is something we are voting on, or If this ship has
> sailed
> >>>> but
> >>>>> if it comes to a vote that is how I will vote based on current
> >>>>> circumstances.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I do have nothing but gratitude for the efforts of the CoC to
> move
> >>>>> mountains in replanning a convention in 6 weeks and don't wish them
> the
> >>>>> burden of replanning this in two weeks in a venue without the kind
> of
> >>>>> vetting that was given to the Rosen in a fraction of the time.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> If the event does happen, I plan on being there but this is where
> my
> >>>>> heart is at with the hearing of this new information.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Alex Merced
> >>>>>>>> Vice Chair of the Libertarian National Committee/LP
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> > On Jun 30, 2020, at 4:19 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
> <
> >>>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>> > We need to see an addendum or whatever sooner rather than
> later.
> >>>>> The two
> >>>>>>>> > "sides" are eating each other's faces once again on facebook,
> and
> >>>> I
> >>>>> have
> >>>>>>>> > died inside over it.
> >>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>> > People can disagree in good faith.  No matter what happens now
> or
> >>>>> whenever,
> >>>>>>>> > I believe it is our job to accept whatever decision we
> >>>> collectively
> >>>>> make
> >>>>>>>> > whether we personally agree or not and work to make whatever
> that
> >>>> is
> >>>>> a
> >>>>>>>> > success.
> >>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>> > That is what I intend to do.  I am convinced that the "all or
> >>>>> nothing"
> >>>>>>>> > spectrums on both sides are seriously damaging our party.
> There
> >>>> is
> >>>>> no
> >>>>>>>> > parity.  My position:  I want everyone to get their way.  Those
> >>>> who
> >>>>> wish to
> >>>>>>>> > attend in person and those who wish to attend remotely, and
> that
> >>>> is
> >>>>> how I
> >>>>>>>> > will vote on this body and if necessary at any in-person
> >>>>> convention.  I
> >>>>>>>> > respect all choices and that people have good faith reasons for
> >>>>> holding
> >>>>>>>> > them.  We would all be better off if we all did that IMHO.
> >>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>> > *In Liberty,*
> >>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>> > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
> >>>>> Syndrome
> >>>>>>>> > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> >>>>>>>> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.
> If
> >>>>> anyone
> >>>>>>>> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
> >>>> social
> >>>>> faux
> >>>>>>>> > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
> >>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 12:44 AM Tim Hagan via Lnc-business <
> >>>>>>>> >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>> >> Mr. Goldstein is likely already asleep at this late hour, so
> I'm
> >>>>>>>> >> forwarding his message for the LNC members who were not at
> >>>> Monday's
> >>>>> COC
> >>>>>>>> >> meeting.
> >>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>> >> Convention Update - Next to last one!
> >>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>> >> On Friday, June 26th the COC was notified by Rosen Properties
> >>>> that
> >>>>> their
> >>>>>>>> >> Shingle Creek property was not going to open until September.
> >>>> This
> >>>>> meant
> >>>>>>>> >> that our National Convention was in jeopardy and we were in
> >>>> shock.
> >>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>> >> During that initial discussion we were told that their Rosen
> >>>> Center
> >>>>>>>> >> property had never closed and they proposed moving our
> convention
> >>>>> to
> >>>>>>>> >> that venue and the adjoining Orange County Convention Center.
> As
> >>>> of
> >>>>>>>> >> today we are in possession of an outline of how that will
> happen
> >>>>> and
> >>>>>>>> >> hope to have a contract addendum ready for the LNC's approval
> >>>>> within a
> >>>>>>>> >> couple days. There will be no additional costs to the
> Libertarian
> >>>>> Party
> >>>>>>>> >> for this change in venue, all added costs for the Convention
> >>>> Center
> >>>>> will
> >>>>>>>> >> be taken care of by Rosen Properties. We will actually have a
> >>>>> larger
> >>>>>>>> >> main hall at 93k sq ft and more room for exhibits and
> breakouts.
> >>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>> >> All room reservations made for Shingle Creek will be moved to
> an
> >>>>>>>> >> equivalent room at the Rosen Center (which was the location of
> >>>> our
> >>>>> 2016
> >>>>>>>> >> National Convention). You need not contact the hotel to change
> >>>> your
> >>>>>>>> >> reservation. Also, all suite upgrades and hospitality rooms
> will
> >>>>> also
> >>>>>>>> >> have similar settings
> >>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>> >> The COC also voted tonight to approve an addendum to the
> contract
> >>>>> with
> >>>>>>>> >> AV Group that will provide a remote convention site for NY, NJ
> >>>> and
> >>>>> CT
> >>>>>>>> >> delegates at Syracuse, NY based on discussions with the three
> >>>> state
> >>>>>>>> >> chairs. This is an option we have been working on for almost
> two
> >>>>> months
> >>>>>>>> >> and had a hard deadline of today to proceed. We did with with
> no
> >>>>> surety
> >>>>>>>> >> that the delegates at Orlando will authorize remote
> participation
> >>>>> but
> >>>>>>>> >> with the faith that they will for delegates that cannot travel
> >>>> due
> >>>>> to
> >>>>>>>> >> government constraints.
> >>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>> >> We are still planning to have a great convention at Orlando
> next
> >>>>> week
> >>>>>>>> >> and look forward to seeing many of you there.
> >>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>> >> Live Free,
> >>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>> >> Sam Goldstein
> >>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>> >> --
> >>>>>>>> >> Tim Hagan
> >>>>>>>> >> Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
> >>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> In Liberty,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
> Syndrome
> >>>>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> >>>>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
> anyone
> >>>>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
> >>>> faux
> >>>>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> In Liberty,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>  Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
> Syndrome
> >>>>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> >>>>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
> anyone
> >>>>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
> >>>> faux
> >>>>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Jun 30, 2020 7:43 AM, "Alex Merced (LNC Vice Chair) via
> >>>> Lnc-business" <
> >>>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 100% this " Debate, vote, accept, work to make a success." 👏👏👏
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Alex Merced
> >>>>> Vice Chair of the Libertarian National Committee/LP
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Jun 30, 2020, at 7:59 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
> >>>> caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If the in person does not go forward, I do hope we decide to have
> an
> >>>>> electronic convention on the same days as people have already
> arranged
> >>>> for
> >>>>> time off work.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 5:53 AM Caryn Ann Harlos <
> >>>>> caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>> If the CoC had said they did not wish to do the work necessary I
> >>>> would
> >>>>> agree.  They have not, quite the contrary.  I think it would be
> >>>>> disrespectful of everything they have done not to let them try. (As
> >>>> well as
> >>>>> to the delegates who want to go)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> From what I understand all the same safety precautions and room
> >>>> needed
> >>>>> is accommodated.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> What this does is a second bite at the apple for those who have
> >>>> always
> >>>>> opposed.  There may be other reasons to change one's mind
> (conditions in
> >>>>> Florida for example) but this shift isn't anything major.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Everything in the compromise still holds true and the principle of
> >>>>> respecting everyone's choice does as well.  Cancelling while it is
> still
> >>>>> possible forecloses the choice of those who want to go.  I think we
> can
> >>>>> honor all choices.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> That said, we are a deliberative body, and no matter what the
> >>>> decision
> >>>>> is, I hope everyone respects it and does not work to sow sour grapes
> or
> >>>>> undermine as we have seen already over this whole thing.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Debate, vote, accept, work to make a success.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 4:15 AM Alex Merced (LNC Vice Chair) via
> >>>>> Lnc-business <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Will the OCCC have all the same precautions that the Rosen
> promised
> >>>> As
> >>>>> far safety (its not just size of the rooms).
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I've generally been in support of the compromise because it was
> >>>>> visible that there was no way the party as a whole could move in
> either
> >>>>> direction without causing major schisms but this does raise many
> >>>> concerns.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> - Even if rooms reservations are moved and a larger main hall is
> >>>>> attained the amount of planning for the space such as tables and
> >>>> breakout
> >>>>> rooms, Gala planning etc. that would need to be revisited seems like
> a
> >>>>> cruel thing to ask the CoC to revisit.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> - I have seen annecdotally noticed several supporters of live
> >>>>> convention change their mind not to go not cause their view had
> changed
> >>>> but
> >>>>> due to the pressure from family and those around them. While I
> intend
> >>>> to be
> >>>>> their if it happens, I have also seen similar levels of pressure
> from my
> >>>>> loved ones.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> - The Rosen was quite adamant about having us and was quite sure
> >>>> they
> >>>>> would be open that weekend what assurance we have that the OCCC will
> >>>> not do
> >>>>> the same in the next week and half (I know you can't control the
> future
> >>>> but
> >>>>> at this point, but there comes a point where you can only fight
> these
> >>>>> headwinds so much).
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Considering the amount of logistics and timing that is now
> >>>> reshuffled,
> >>>>> the changing health environment I think that we can safely invoke
> >>>>> impossibility/impracticality for the second sitting if we chose to.
> I
> >>>> don't
> >>>>> know if this is something we are voting on, or If this ship has
> sailed
> >>>> but
> >>>>> if it comes to a vote that is how I will vote based on current
> >>>>> circumstances.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I do have nothing but gratitude for the efforts of the CoC to
> move
> >>>>> mountains in replanning a convention in 6 weeks and don't wish them
> the
> >>>>> burden of replanning this in two weeks in a venue without the kind
> of
> >>>>> vetting that was given to the Rosen in a fraction of the time.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> If the event does happen, I plan on being there but this is where
> my
> >>>>> heart is at with the hearing of this new information.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Alex Merced
> >>>>>>>> Vice Chair of the Libertarian National Committee/LP
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> > On Jun 30, 2020, at 4:19 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
> <
> >>>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>> > We need to see an addendum or whatever sooner rather than
> later.
> >>>>> The two
> >>>>>>>> > "sides" are eating each other's faces once again on facebook,
> and
> >>>> I
> >>>>> have
> >>>>>>>> > died inside over it.
> >>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>> > People can disagree in good faith.  No matter what happens now
> or
> >>>>> whenever,
> >>>>>>>> > I believe it is our job to accept whatever decision we
> >>>> collectively
> >>>>> make
> >>>>>>>> > whether we personally agree or not and work to make whatever
> that
> >>>> is
> >>>>> a
> >>>>>>>> > success.
> >>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>> > That is what I intend to do.  I am convinced that the "all or
> >>>>> nothing"
> >>>>>>>> > spectrums on both sides are seriously damaging our party.
> There
> >>>> is
> >>>>> no
> >>>>>>>> > parity.  My position:  I want everyone to get their way.  Those
> >>>> who
> >>>>> wish to
> >>>>>>>> > attend in person and those who wish to attend remotely, and
> that
> >>>> is
> >>>>> how I
> >>>>>>>> > will vote on this body and if necessary at any in-person
> >>>>> convention.  I
> >>>>>>>> > respect all choices and that people have good faith reasons for
> >>>>> holding
> >>>>>>>> > them.  We would all be better off if we all did that IMHO.
> >>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>> > *In Liberty,*
> >>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>> > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
> >>>>> Syndrome
> >>>>>>>> > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> >>>>>>>> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.
> If
> >>>>> anyone
> >>>>>>>> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
> >>>> social
> >>>>> faux
> >>>>>>>> > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
> >>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 12:44 AM Tim Hagan via Lnc-business <
> >>>>>>>> >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>> >> Mr. Goldstein is likely already asleep at this late hour, so
> I'm
> >>>>>>>> >> forwarding his message for the LNC members who were not at
> >>>> Monday's
> >>>>> COC
> >>>>>>>> >> meeting.
> >>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>> >> Convention Update - Next to last one!
> >>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>> >> On Friday, June 26th the COC was notified by Rosen Properties
> >>>> that
> >>>>> their
> >>>>>>>> >> Shingle Creek property was not going to open until September.
> >>>> This
> >>>>> meant
> >>>>>>>> >> that our National Convention was in jeopardy and we were in
> >>>> shock.
> >>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>> >> During that initial discussion we were told that their Rosen
> >>>> Center
> >>>>>>>> >> property had never closed and they proposed moving our
> convention
> >>>>> to
> >>>>>>>> >> that venue and the adjoining Orange County Convention Center.
> As
> >>>> of
> >>>>>>>> >> today we are in possession of an outline of how that will
> happen
> >>>>> and
> >>>>>>>> >> hope to have a contract addendum ready for the LNC's approval
> >>>>> within a
> >>>>>>>> >> couple days. There will be no additional costs to the
> Libertarian
> >>>>> Party
> >>>>>>>> >> for this change in venue, all added costs for the Convention
> >>>> Center
> >>>>> will
> >>>>>>>> >> be taken care of by Rosen Properties. We will actually have a
> >>>>> larger
> >>>>>>>> >> main hall at 93k sq ft and more room for exhibits and
> breakouts.
> >>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>> >> All room reservations made for Shingle Creek will be moved to
> an
> >>>>>>>> >> equivalent room at the Rosen Center (which was the location of
> >>>> our
> >>>>> 2016
> >>>>>>>> >> National Convention). You need not contact the hotel to change
> >>>> your
> >>>>>>>> >> reservation. Also, all suite upgrades and hospitality rooms
> will
> >>>>> also
> >>>>>>>> >> have similar settings
> >>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>> >> The COC also voted tonight to approve an addendum to the
> contract
> >>>>> with
> >>>>>>>> >> AV Group that will provide a remote convention site for NY, NJ
> >>>> and
> >>>>> CT
> >>>>>>>> >> delegates at Syracuse, NY based on discussions with the three
> >>>> state
> >>>>>>>> >> chairs. This is an option we have been working on for almost
> two
> >>>>> months
> >>>>>>>> >> and had a hard deadline of today to proceed. We did with with
> no
> >>>>> surety
> >>>>>>>> >> that the delegates at Orlando will authorize remote
> participation
> >>>>> but
> >>>>>>>> >> with the faith that they will for delegates that cannot travel
> >>>> due
> >>>>> to
> >>>>>>>> >> government constraints.
> >>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>> >> We are still planning to have a great convention at Orlando
> next
> >>>>> week
> >>>>>>>> >> and look forward to seeing many of you there.
> >>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>> >> Live Free,
> >>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>> >> Sam Goldstein
> >>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>> >> --
> >>>>>>>> >> Tim Hagan
> >>>>>>>> >> Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
> >>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> In Liberty,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
> Syndrome
> >>>>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> >>>>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
> anyone
> >>>>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
> >>>> faux
> >>>>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> In Liberty,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>  Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
> Syndrome
> >>>>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> >>>>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
> anyone
> >>>>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
> >>>> faux
> >>>>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Jun 30, 2020 7:43 AM, "Alex Merced (LNC Vice Chair) via
> >>>> Lnc-business" <
> >>>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 100% this " Debate, vote, accept, work to make a success." 👏👏👏
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Alex Merced
> >>>>> Vice Chair of the Libertarian National Committee/LP
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Jun 30, 2020, at 7:59 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
> >>>> caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If the in person does not go forward, I do hope we decide to have
> an
> >>>>> electronic convention on the same days as people have already
> arranged
> >>>> for
> >>>>> time off work.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 5:53 AM Caryn Ann Harlos <
> >>>>> caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>> If the CoC had said they did not wish to do the work necessary I
> >>>> would
> >>>>> agree.  They have not, quite the contrary.  I think it would be
> >>>>> disrespectful of everything they have done not to let them try. (As
> >>>> well as
> >>>>> to the delegates who want to go)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> From what I understand all the same safety precautions and room
> >>>> needed
> >>>>> is accommodated.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> What this does is a second bite at the apple for those who have
> >>>> always
> >>>>> opposed.  There may be other reasons to change one's mind
> (conditions in
> >>>>> Florida for example) but this shift isn't anything major.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Everything in the compromise still holds true and the principle of
> >>>>> respecting everyone's choice does as well.  Cancelling while it is
> still
> >>>>> possible forecloses the choice of those who want to go.  I think we
> can
> >>>>> honor all choices.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> That said, we are a deliberative body, and no matter what the
> >>>> decision
> >>>>> is, I hope everyone respects it and does not work to sow sour grapes
> or
> >>>>> undermine as we have seen already over this whole thing.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Debate, vote, accept, work to make a success.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 4:15 AM Alex Merced (LNC Vice Chair) via
> >>>>> Lnc-business <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Will the OCCC have all the same precautions that the Rosen
> promised
> >>>> As
> >>>>> far safety (its not just size of the rooms).
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I've generally been in support of the compromise because it was
> >>>>> visible that there was no way the party as a whole could move in
> either
> >>>>> direction without causing major schisms but this does raise many
> >>>> concerns.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> - Even if rooms reservations are moved and a larger main hall is
> >>>>> attained the amount of planning for the space such as tables and
> >>>> breakout
> >>>>> rooms, Gala planning etc. that would need to be revisited seems like
> a
> >>>>> cruel thing to ask the CoC to revisit.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> - I have seen annecdotally noticed several supporters of live
> >>>>> convention change their mind not to go not cause their view had
> changed
> >>>> but
> >>>>> due to the pressure from family and those around them. While I
> intend
> >>>> to be
> >>>>> their if it happens, I have also seen similar levels of pressure
> from my
> >>>>> loved ones.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> - The Rosen was quite adamant about having us and was quite sure
> >>>> they
> >>>>> would be open that weekend what assurance we have that the OCCC will
> >>>> not do
> >>>>> the same in the next week and half (I know you can't control the
> future
> >>>> but
> >>>>> at this point, but there comes a point where you can only fight
> these
> >>>>> headwinds so much).
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Considering the amount of logistics and timing that is now
> >>>> reshuffled,
> >>>>> the changing health environment I think that we can safely invoke
> >>>>> impossibility/impracticality for the second sitting if we chose to.
> I
> >>>> don't
> >>>>> know if this is something we are voting on, or If this ship has
> sailed
> >>>> but
> >>>>> if it comes to a vote that is how I will vote based on current
> >>>>> circumstances.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I do have nothing but gratitude for the efforts of the CoC to
> move
> >>>>> mountains in replanning a convention in 6 weeks and don't wish them
> the
> >>>>> burden of replanning this in two weeks in a venue without the kind
> of
> >>>>> vetting that was given to the Rosen in a fraction of the time.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> If the event does happen, I plan on being there but this is where
> my
> >>>>> heart is at with the hearing of this new information.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Alex Merced
> >>>>>>>> Vice Chair of the Libertarian National Committee/LP
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> > On Jun 30, 2020, at 4:19 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
> <
> >>>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>> > We need to see an addendum or whatever sooner rather than
> later.
> >>>>> The two
> >>>>>>>> > "sides" are eating each other's faces once again on facebook,
> and
> >>>> I
> >>>>> have
> >>>>>>>> > died inside over it.
> >>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>> > People can disagree in good faith.  No matter what happens now
> or
> >>>>> whenever,
> >>>>>>>> > I believe it is our job to accept whatever decision we
> >>>> collectively
> >>>>> make
> >>>>>>>> > whether we personally agree or not and work to make whatever
> that
> >>>> is
> >>>>> a
> >>>>>>>> > success.
> >>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>> > That is what I intend to do.  I am convinced that the "all or
> >>>>> nothing"
> >>>>>>>> > spectrums on both sides are seriously damaging our party.
> There
> >>>> is
> >>>>> no
> >>>>>>>> > parity.  My position:  I want everyone to get their way.  Those
> >>>> who
> >>>>> wish to
> >>>>>>>> > attend in person and those who wish to attend remotely, and
> that
> >>>> is
> >>>>> how I
> >>>>>>>> > will vote on this body and if necessary at any in-person
> >>>>> convention.  I
> >>>>>>>> > respect all choices and that people have good faith reasons for
> >>>>> holding
> >>>>>>>> > them.  We would all be better off if we all did that IMHO.
> >>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>> > *In Liberty,*
> >>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>> > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
> >>>>> Syndrome
> >>>>>>>> > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> >>>>>>>> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.
> If
> >>>>> anyone
> >>>>>>>> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
> >>>> social
> >>>>> faux
> >>>>>>>> > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
> >>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 12:44 AM Tim Hagan via Lnc-business <
> >>>>>>>> >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>> >> Mr. Goldstein is likely already asleep at this late hour, so
> I'm
> >>>>>>>> >> forwarding his message for the LNC members who were not at
> >>>> Monday's
> >>>>> COC
> >>>>>>>> >> meeting.
> >>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>> >> Convention Update - Next to last one!
> >>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>> >> On Friday, June 26th the COC was notified by Rosen Properties
> >>>> that
> >>>>> their
> >>>>>>>> >> Shingle Creek property was not going to open until September.
> >>>> This
> >>>>> meant
> >>>>>>>> >> that our National Convention was in jeopardy and we were in
> >>>> shock.
> >>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>> >> During that initial discussion we were told that their Rosen
> >>>> Center
> >>>>>>>> >> property had never closed and they proposed moving our
> convention
> >>>>> to
> >>>>>>>> >> that venue and the adjoining Orange County Convention Center.
> As
> >>>> of
> >>>>>>>> >> today we are in possession of an outline of how that will
> happen
> >>>>> and
> >>>>>>>> >> hope to have a contract addendum ready for the LNC's approval
> >>>>> within a
> >>>>>>>> >> couple days. There will be no additional costs to the
> Libertarian
> >>>>> Party
> >>>>>>>> >> for this change in venue, all added costs for the Convention
> >>>> Center
> >>>>> will
> >>>>>>>> >> be taken care of by Rosen Properties. We will actually have a
> >>>>> larger
> >>>>>>>> >> main hall at 93k sq ft and more room for exhibits and
> breakouts.
> >>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>> >> All room reservations made for Shingle Creek will be moved to
> an
> >>>>>>>> >> equivalent room at the Rosen Center (which was the location of
> >>>> our
> >>>>> 2016
> >>>>>>>> >> National Convention). You need not contact the hotel to change
> >>>> your
> >>>>>>>> >> reservation. Also, all suite upgrades and hospitality rooms
> will
> >>>>> also
> >>>>>>>> >> have similar settings
> >>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>> >> The COC also voted tonight to approve an addendum to the
> contract
> >>>>> with
> >>>>>>>> >> AV Group that will provide a remote convention site for NY, NJ
> >>>> and
> >>>>> CT
> >>>>>>>> >> delegates at Syracuse, NY based on discussions with the three
> >>>> state
> >>>>>>>> >> chairs. This is an option we have been working on for almost
> two
> >>>>> months
> >>>>>>>> >> and had a hard deadline of today to proceed. We did with with
> no
> >>>>> surety
> >>>>>>>> >> that the delegates at Orlando will authorize remote
> participation
> >>>>> but
> >>>>>>>> >> with the faith that they will for delegates that cannot travel
> >>>> due
> >>>>> to
> >>>>>>>> >> government constraints.
> >>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>> >> We are still planning to have a great convention at Orlando
> next
> >>>>> week
> >>>>>>>> >> and look forward to seeing many of you there.
> >>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>> >> Live Free,
> >>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>> >> Sam Goldstein
> >>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>> >> --
> >>>>>>>> >> Tim Hagan
> >>>>>>>> >> Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
> >>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> In Liberty,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
> Syndrome
> >>>>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> >>>>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
> anyone
> >>>>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
> >>>> faux
> >>>>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> In Liberty,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>  Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
> Syndrome
> >>>>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> >>>>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
> anyone
> >>>>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
> >>>> faux
> >>>>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>> *In Liberty,*
> >>>
> >>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
> >>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> >>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
> anyone
> >>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
> faux
> >>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>
> >> *In Liberty,*
> >>
> >> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
> >> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> >> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
> >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
> faux
> >> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>
>
>
> --

*In Liberty,*

* Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
(part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *