[Lnc-business] Update from Illinois

[Caryn Ann Harlos]

I will also add that jobs are in flux right now.  People moved heaven and
earth to get time off or made deals and traded time.  Like I said to our
chair, he is not a king.  I will say to everyone else here, neither are
we.  People made significant decisions.  We don't get to play with people
like that.  We simply do not.  It is unethical.

*In Liberty,*

* Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
(part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
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pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *



On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 10:36 AM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
wrote:

> Many people had air bnbs that are not refundable.  We don't get to say too
> bad so sad.  I have also heard from attendees who are vendors that invested
> monies.  And no, people have nonrefundable nontransferable tickets.  WE
> TOLD THEM IT WAS NOW SAFE TO GET THEM.  LNC candidates expended money.
> There comes a time when, as my mother said, you make your bed, you lie in
> it.
>
> It is too late.  It is time to stop sabotaging our convention.  I asked
> for a poll yesterday within hours.  It was not done.  It is too late.  We
> are less than a week out.    It is done.  We need to stop trying to
> override a decision made and continue to appear to be waffling fools.
>
> *In Liberty,*
>
> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 10:17 AM William Redpath via Lnc-business <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
>> I just spoke with LPIL Chair and Delegation Chair Steve Suess.  The LPIL
>> had a full slate of 37 delegates for the national convention.  Of those,
>> he says, now only 5 are going to Orlando (I know, probably not all 37
>> would have gone to Austin, but still...).  And, we've got a week to go
>> for possible further attrition.
>>
>> I don't know the economics of this convention well enough to
>> prognosticate what the LNC should do to maximize its gain or minimize
>> its loss from this convention, but could it be that cancellation is the
>> least bad financial option at this point?  I don't know.  I will leave
>> it to Bette Rose, et al. to number crunch that.
>>
>> A fair amount has been made on this list about potential delegate
>> personal financial losses.  As sportscaster Warner Wolf used to say,
>> "Let's go to the videotape!"
>>
>> Delegates can ask for their convention package payment back (many will
>> not, and fewer will, if we ask nicely).  They can cancel the hotel at no
>> penalty at this time.  They may not get a refund from their airline
>> ticket but will almost certainly get full credit on a future ticket to
>> be used over the next year or two.  I think very few people would suffer
>> economic loss, and there might be a net economic gain if the employed
>> save some vacation days.
>>
>> Don't necessarily look to hotel reservations to judge attendance.  I
>> surmise that many reservations have not been cancelled yet.
>>
>> The "Will of the Delegates" did vote for a second sitting in
>> Orlando--over a tenth of a year ago.  A lot has happened since then that
>> could not have been foreseen.
>>
>> Yes, some people are speaking up loudly on both sides of this issue, but
>> what does the actual body of delegates think NOW?  That is the truly
>> relevant question, and if it is to go forward with the second sitting in
>> Orlando, so be it.  However, if that were to occur without remote
>> access, so that delegates can participate in the convention from
>> wherever they are, that would have very harmful ramifications for the
>> LP.
>>
>> I do think a poll of the delegates should be taken again ASAP to
>> ascertain across all delegations #1) what are their current attendance
>> plans?, and #2) do they want the second sitting to occur July 9-12?  I
>> think #1 is far more important than #2 in forming a decision.  After
>> all, what is going to happen if only one-seventh of the credentialed
>> delegates show?
>>
>> I think all of us greatly respect the convention knowledge and very hard
>> work of the COC for both Austin and Orlando, and I would very much
>> regret little to nothing ultimately coming of it in 2020.  But, I think
>> there is still time, for the overall good of the Libertarian Party, to
>> get a good handle on what all of the delegates are thinking right now,
>> and that could be effected very quickly.
>>
>> Bill Redpath
>>
>> On 2020-06-30 23:09, john.phillips--- via Lnc-business wrote:
>>
>> > You remember I already did that ;)
>> >
>> > Teasing aside, I 100% support this and wholeheartedly sign on.  Thank
>> you
>> >
>> > John Phillips
>> > Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>> > Cell 217-412-5973
>> >
>> > On Jun 30, 2020 11:02 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I call upon my fellow LNC members to promise to support and work for
>> remote
>> >> participation if the in person convention goes forward.
>> >>
>> >> I do so pledge.
>> >>
>> >> *  In Liberty,*
>> >> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
>> >> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> >> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
>> anyone
>> >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
>> faux
>> >> pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me know.
>> *
>>
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