[Lnc-business] Can we put out a poll to the delegates who voted for an in person convention

Wed Jul 1 12:46:44 EDT 2020

Are you weighting the state chairs according to the number of delegates?
If not, it is not representative.  Colorado has significantly more
delegates than other states.  You cannot use the state chairs as
representing delegates without that calculation.

It is too late.  I asked for this poll early yesterday.  It is absolutely
unethical at this point to turn people's lives upside down when we have a
location.

I have not agreed with a lot of the criticisms of this body - there has
been shady business going on and we were dealt a bad hand.  If we cancel
when we have a location over the will of delegates at convention, this body
has no business being anywhere near leadership.  It is wrong, and it is
robbing people who spent money and a violation of the principle of the
non-initiation of force.

*In Liberty,*

* Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
(part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *

On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 9:15 AM Richard Longstreth <richard.longstreth at lp.org>
wrote:

> I'm not good with wording polls but if someone is, I'd like to get this
> started sooner rather than later. I find wisdom in hearing from the
> delegates on this. My state chairs are, almost entirely, saying to not
> approve a third venue. Absent a poll of delegates, I intend to represent
> their opinion and trust that they are representing their delegates to me. I
> cannot poll everyone in the region myself at this point, let alone have
> contact info for all of the delegates for speedy communication.
>
> Richard Longstreth
> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
> Libertarian National Committee
> richard.longstreth at lp.org
> 931.538.9300
>
> Sent from my Mobile Device
>
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 20:51 Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
>> As far as wording that is not my call.  But bad wording will kill the
>> entire usefulness.
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 9:50 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>> >
>> wrote:
>>
>> > The poll should be only those credentialed at the Sunday session of the
>> > first part of the convention.
>> >
>> > They made a decision.
>> >
>> > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 6:54 PM Daniel Fishman <dan.fishman at lphq.org>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Would you like me to poll all current members?  All delegates?
>> >>
>> >> What would you like the wording to be?
>> >> ---
>> >> Daniel Fishman
>> >> Executive Director
>> >> The Libertarian Party
>> >> Join Us <http://www.lp.org/join>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 7:54 PM Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
>> >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Mr Hagan apologies if I was hasty though I do think in this rapidly
>> >>> changing situation we must be checking our emails hourly.
>> >>>
>> >>> My proposal is to poll only the delegates we are seeking to overturn.
>> >>> Those credentialed at the session that voted for the in person
>> >>> convention.
>> >>>
>> >>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 5:19 PM Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business <
>> >>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> > I am supportive.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Richard Longstreth
>> >>> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
>> >>> > Libertarian National Committee
>> >>> > richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> >>> > 931.538.9300
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Sent from my Mobile Device
>> >>> >
>> >>> > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 15:37 Tim Hagan via Lnc-business <
>> >>> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >>> >
>> >>> > > You shouldn't interpret silence as disapproval. Some people aren't
>> >>> > > constantly checking their e-mails, could be working, or still
>> >>> processing
>> >>> > > this news thrown at us last night and have questions.
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > I don't have a problem with taking a poll, unless if we're going
>> to
>> >>> > > waste time arguing over the wording or who gets polled (e.g. all
>> >>> > > delegates, delegates & alternates credentialed in May, etc.).
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > ---
>> >>> > > Tim Hagan
>> >>> > > Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > On 2020-06-30 14:20, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>> >>> > > > A poll could have already gone out from the national office.
>> Yet
>> >>> > > > except
>> >>> > > > for you - silence on this post.
>> >>> > > >
>> >>> > > > That is wrong.  Are we scared of what they might say?  I
>> actually
>> >>> think
>> >>> > > > they might have changed their mind, but I need to know that for
>> >>> sure.
>> >>> > > >
>> >>> > > >
>> >>> > > >
>> >>> > > > *  In Liberty,*
>> >>> > > > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>> >>> Syndrome
>> >>> > > > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> >>> > > > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
>> >>> anyone
>> >>> > > > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
>> >>> social
>> >>> > > > faux
>> >>> > > > pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me
>> >>> know.
>> >>> > > > *
>> >>> > > >
>> >>> > > >
>> >>> > > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 1:05 PM <john.phillips at lp.org> wrote:
>> >>> > > >
>> >>> > > >> Agreed.  I am informally polling my region, but that is just
>> one
>> >>> > > >> region.
>> >>> > > >>
>> >>> > > >> John Phillips
>> >>> > > >> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>> >>> > > >> Cell 217-412-5973
>> >>> > > >>
>> >>> > > >> On Jun 30, 2020 1:26 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
>> >>> > > >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >>> > > >>
>> >>> > > >> Here is something we all need to take seriously.  The delegates
>> >>> voted
>> >>> > > >> for
>> >>> > > >> an in person convention.  I don't really think we have the
>> right
>> >>> to
>> >>> > > >> cancel
>> >>> > > >> if we have a location which we do.  It is usurping their
>> decision.
>> >>> > > >> But
>> >>> > > >> they may think differently now.  Can we poll them so we know
>> what
>> >>> we
>> >>> > > >> should
>> >>> > > >> do?  This isn't about us.  It is about particular state chairs
>> in
>> >>> > > >> particular regions.  It is about the delegate that gave us
>> >>> specific
>> >>> > > >> marching orders.  Can we find out what THEY want?
>> >>> > > >>
>> >>> > > >> *  In Liberty,*
>> >>> > > >> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>> >>> Syndrome
>> >>> > > >> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> >>> > > >> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.
>> If
>> >>> > > >> anyone
>> >>> > > >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
>> >>> social
>> >>> > > >> faux
>> >>> > > >> pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me
>> >>> know.
>> >>> > > >> *
>> >>> > > >>
>> >>> > > >>
>> >>> > > >>
>> >>> > >
>> >>> >
>> >>> --
>> >>>
>> >>> *In Liberty,*
>> >>>
>> >>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
>> >>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> >>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
>> anyone
>> >>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
>> faux
>> >>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>> >>>
>> >> --
>> >
>> > *In Liberty,*
>> >
>> > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
>> > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
>> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
>> faux
>> > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>> >
>> > --
>>
>> *In Liberty,*
>>
>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>>
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