[Lnc-business] Update from Illinois

[Sam Goldstein]

Perhaps you should include in that poll the LP will be in the hole 
somewhere over $100k if we cancel at this late date just because we want 
to without a reason covered by the Force Majeure clause in the AVG 
contract in addition to other costs.

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Sam Goldstein, At Large Member
Libertarian National Committee
Convention Oversight Committee
317-850-0726 Cell

On 2020-07-01 12:39, Daniel Fishman via Lnc-business wrote:
> Suggested poll to the delegates:
> 
> 1 - Are you currently planning to attend the second sitting in-person? 
> 2 -
> Do you support: - Relocating the second sitting to the Orange County
> Convention Center - Cancellation of the in-person second sitting and
> resuming business online
> 
> 
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> Daniel Fishman
> Executive Director
> The Libertarian Party
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> 
> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 12:17 PM William Redpath via Lnc-business <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> 
>> I just spoke with LPIL Chair and Delegation Chair Steve Suess.  The 
>> LPIL
>> had a full slate of 37 delegates for the national convention.  Of 
>> those,
>> he says, now only 5 are going to Orlando (I know, probably not all 37
>> would have gone to Austin, but still...).  And, we've got a week to go
>> for possible further attrition.
>> 
>> I don't know the economics of this convention well enough to
>> prognosticate what the LNC should do to maximize its gain or minimize
>> its loss from this convention, but could it be that cancellation is 
>> the
>> least bad financial option at this point?  I don't know.  I will leave
>> it to Bette Rose, et al. to number crunch that.
>> 
>> A fair amount has been made on this list about potential delegate
>> personal financial losses.  As sportscaster Warner Wolf used to say,
>> "Let's go to the videotape!"
>> 
>> Delegates can ask for their convention package payment back (many will
>> not, and fewer will, if we ask nicely).  They can cancel the hotel at 
>> no
>> penalty at this time.  They may not get a refund from their airline
>> ticket but will almost certainly get full credit on a future ticket to
>> be used over the next year or two.  I think very few people would 
>> suffer
>> economic loss, and there might be a net economic gain if the employed
>> save some vacation days.
>> 
>> Don't necessarily look to hotel reservations to judge attendance.  I
>> surmise that many reservations have not been cancelled yet.
>> 
>> The "Will of the Delegates" did vote for a second sitting in
>> Orlando--over a tenth of a year ago.  A lot has happened since then 
>> that
>> could not have been foreseen.
>> 
>> Yes, some people are speaking up loudly on both sides of this issue, 
>> but
>> what does the actual body of delegates think NOW?  That is the truly
>> relevant question, and if it is to go forward with the second sitting 
>> in
>> Orlando, so be it.  However, if that were to occur without remote
>> access, so that delegates can participate in the convention from
>> wherever they are, that would have very harmful ramifications for the
>> LP.
>> 
>> I do think a poll of the delegates should be taken again ASAP to
>> ascertain across all delegations #1) what are their current attendance
>> plans?, and #2) do they want the second sitting to occur July 9-12?  I
>> think #1 is far more important than #2 in forming a decision.  After
>> all, what is going to happen if only one-seventh of the credentialed
>> delegates show?
>> 
>> I think all of us greatly respect the convention knowledge and very 
>> hard
>> work of the COC for both Austin and Orlando, and I would very much
>> regret little to nothing ultimately coming of it in 2020.  But, I 
>> think
>> there is still time, for the overall good of the Libertarian Party, to
>> get a good handle on what all of the delegates are thinking right now,
>> and that could be effected very quickly.
>> 
>> Bill Redpath
>> 
>> On 2020-06-30 23:09, john.phillips--- via Lnc-business wrote:
>> 
>> > You remember I already did that ;)
>> >
>> > Teasing aside, I 100% support this and wholeheartedly sign on.  Thank you
>> >
>> > John Phillips
>> > Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>> > Cell 217-412-5973
>> >
>> > On Jun 30, 2020 11:02 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I call upon my fellow LNC members to promise to support and work for
>> remote
>> >> participation if the in person convention goes forward.
>> >>
>> >> I do so pledge.
>> >>
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