[Lnc-business] Update from Illinois

[Daniel Fishman]

That just ain't so Sam -- unless we agree to accept their alternative, they
are in breach. Our reason is we want to be at Shingle Creek which was what
they promised. And they aren't going to give it to us.

I think a poll of the delegates is warranted. I'm adding Tim's language.  I
welcome other suggestions.


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Daniel Fishman
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On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 12:51 PM Sam Goldstein <sam.goldstein at lp.org> wrote:

> Perhaps you should include in that poll the LP will be in the hole
> somewhere over $100k if we cancel at this late date just because we want
> to without a reason covered by the Force Majeure clause in the AVG
> contract in addition to other costs.
>
> ---
> Sam Goldstein, At Large Member
> Libertarian National Committee
> Convention Oversight Committee
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>
> On 2020-07-01 12:39, Daniel Fishman via Lnc-business wrote:
> > Suggested poll to the delegates:
> >
> > 1 - Are you currently planning to attend the second sitting in-person?
> > 2 -
> > Do you support: - Relocating the second sitting to the Orange County
> > Convention Center - Cancellation of the in-person second sitting and
> > resuming business online
> >
> >
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> > Daniel Fishman
> > Executive Director
> > The Libertarian Party
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> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 12:17 PM William Redpath via Lnc-business <
> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >
> >> I just spoke with LPIL Chair and Delegation Chair Steve Suess.  The
> >> LPIL
> >> had a full slate of 37 delegates for the national convention.  Of
> >> those,
> >> he says, now only 5 are going to Orlando (I know, probably not all 37
> >> would have gone to Austin, but still...).  And, we've got a week to go
> >> for possible further attrition.
> >>
> >> I don't know the economics of this convention well enough to
> >> prognosticate what the LNC should do to maximize its gain or minimize
> >> its loss from this convention, but could it be that cancellation is
> >> the
> >> least bad financial option at this point?  I don't know.  I will leave
> >> it to Bette Rose, et al. to number crunch that.
> >>
> >> A fair amount has been made on this list about potential delegate
> >> personal financial losses.  As sportscaster Warner Wolf used to say,
> >> "Let's go to the videotape!"
> >>
> >> Delegates can ask for their convention package payment back (many will
> >> not, and fewer will, if we ask nicely).  They can cancel the hotel at
> >> no
> >> penalty at this time.  They may not get a refund from their airline
> >> ticket but will almost certainly get full credit on a future ticket to
> >> be used over the next year or two.  I think very few people would
> >> suffer
> >> economic loss, and there might be a net economic gain if the employed
> >> save some vacation days.
> >>
> >> Don't necessarily look to hotel reservations to judge attendance.  I
> >> surmise that many reservations have not been cancelled yet.
> >>
> >> The "Will of the Delegates" did vote for a second sitting in
> >> Orlando--over a tenth of a year ago.  A lot has happened since then
> >> that
> >> could not have been foreseen.
> >>
> >> Yes, some people are speaking up loudly on both sides of this issue,
> >> but
> >> what does the actual body of delegates think NOW?  That is the truly
> >> relevant question, and if it is to go forward with the second sitting
> >> in
> >> Orlando, so be it.  However, if that were to occur without remote
> >> access, so that delegates can participate in the convention from
> >> wherever they are, that would have very harmful ramifications for the
> >> LP.
> >>
> >> I do think a poll of the delegates should be taken again ASAP to
> >> ascertain across all delegations #1) what are their current attendance
> >> plans?, and #2) do they want the second sitting to occur July 9-12?  I
> >> think #1 is far more important than #2 in forming a decision.  After
> >> all, what is going to happen if only one-seventh of the credentialed
> >> delegates show?
> >>
> >> I think all of us greatly respect the convention knowledge and very
> >> hard
> >> work of the COC for both Austin and Orlando, and I would very much
> >> regret little to nothing ultimately coming of it in 2020.  But, I
> >> think
> >> there is still time, for the overall good of the Libertarian Party, to
> >> get a good handle on what all of the delegates are thinking right now,
> >> and that could be effected very quickly.
> >>
> >> Bill Redpath
> >>
> >> On 2020-06-30 23:09, john.phillips--- via Lnc-business wrote:
> >>
> >> > You remember I already did that ;)
> >> >
> >> > Teasing aside, I 100% support this and wholeheartedly sign on.  Thank
> you
> >> >
> >> > John Phillips
> >> > Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
> >> > Cell 217-412-5973
> >> >
> >> > On Jun 30, 2020 11:02 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
> >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> I call upon my fellow LNC members to promise to support and work for
> >> remote
> >> >> participation if the in person convention goes forward.
> >> >>
> >> >> I do so pledge.
> >> >>
> >> >> *  In Liberty,*
> >> >> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
> Syndrome
> >> >> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> >> >> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
> anyone
> >> >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
> >> faux
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> >>
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