[Lnc-business] Update from Illinois

Wed Jul 1 13:58:41 EDT 2020

I do think it is highly possible to recover those costs from Rosen.
Nothing is a slam dunk in the legal word.  I want to be clear - I think
they dealt us dirty and that Mr. Rosen blew smoke up our rears and broke a
promise.  I keep hearing we cannot cancel because we will taint that
relationship.  It is already tainted by his breaking his word.  He put us
in this situation.  That is a simple fact, and I do not forgive that.

That does not excuse us however from fulfilling the vote of the delegates,
but have no doubts, I will want to pursue the fullest recovery from Rosen
if it comes to that.

*In Liberty,*

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On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 11:42 AM erin.adams--- via Lnc-business <
lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:

> For US to pay *
>
> Erin Adams Region 7 alt.
>
> On Jul 1, 2020 12:41 PM, erin.adams at lp.org wrote:
>
> I think they are obligated to pay US because they are in breech in an
> amount sufficient for US to AVG and other incurred expenses
>
> Erin Adams Region 7 alt.
>
> On Jul 1, 2020 12:38 PM, Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
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> Do you think that Rosen is obligated to pay AVG if they are in breach?
> I'd love to hear a legal opinion from Mr. Hall about what we could
> recover from Rosen with or without litigation.
>
> ---
> Sam Goldstein, At Large Member
> Libertarian National Committee
> Convention Oversight Committee
> 317-850-0726 Cell
>
> On 2020-07-01 13:07, Daniel Fishman wrote:
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> > That just ain't so Sam -- unless we agree to accept their alternative,
> they are in breach. Our reason is we want to be at Shingle Creek which was
> what they promised. And they aren't going to give it to us.
> >
> > I think a poll of the delegates is warranted. I'm adding Tim's
> language.  I welcome other suggestions.
> >
> > ---
> > Daniel Fishman
> > Executive Director
> > The Libertarian Party
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> > On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 12:51 PM Sam Goldstein <sam.goldstein at lp.org>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Perhaps you should include in that poll the LP will be in the hole
> >> somewhere over $100k if we cancel at this late date just because we
> want
> >> to without a reason covered by the Force Majeure clause in the AVG
> >> contract in addition to other costs.
> >>
> >> ---
> >> Sam Goldstein, At Large Member
> >> Libertarian National Committee
> >> Convention Oversight Committee
> >> 317-850-0726 Cell
> >>
> >> On 2020-07-01 12:39, Daniel Fishman via Lnc-business wrote:
> >>> Suggested poll to the delegates:
> >>>
> >>> 1 - Are you currently planning to attend the second sitting in-person?
> >>> 2 -
> >>> Do you support: - Relocating the second sitting to the Orange County
> >>> Convention Center - Cancellation of the in-person second sitting and
> >>> resuming business online
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ---
> >>> Daniel Fishman
> >>> Executive Director
> >>> The Libertarian Party
> >>> Join Us <http://www.lp.org/join>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 12:17 PM William Redpath via Lnc-business <
> >>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I just spoke with LPIL Chair and Delegation Chair Steve Suess.  The
> >>>> LPIL
> >>>> had a full slate of 37 delegates for the national convention.  Of
> >>>> those,
> >>>> he says, now only 5 are going to Orlando (I know, probably not all 37
> >>>> would have gone to Austin, but still...).  And, we've got a week to
> go
> >>>> for possible further attrition.
> >>>>
> >>>> I don't know the economics of this convention well enough to
> >>>> prognosticate what the LNC should do to maximize its gain or minimize
> >>>> its loss from this convention, but could it be that cancellation is
> >>>> the
> >>>> least bad financial option at this point?  I don't know.  I will
> leave
> >>>> it to Bette Rose, et al. to number crunch that.
> >>>>
> >>>> A fair amount has been made on this list about potential delegate
> >>>> personal financial losses.  As sportscaster Warner Wolf used to say,
> >>>> "Let's go to the videotape!"
> >>>>
> >>>> Delegates can ask for their convention package payment back (many
> will
> >>>> not, and fewer will, if we ask nicely).  They can cancel the hotel at
> >>>> no
> >>>> penalty at this time.  They may not get a refund from their airline
> >>>> ticket but will almost certainly get full credit on a future ticket
> to
> >>>> be used over the next year or two.  I think very few people would
> >>>> suffer
> >>>> economic loss, and there might be a net economic gain if the employed
> >>>> save some vacation days.
> >>>>
> >>>> Don't necessarily look to hotel reservations to judge attendance.  I
> >>>> surmise that many reservations have not been cancelled yet.
> >>>>
> >>>> The "Will of the Delegates" did vote for a second sitting in
> >>>> Orlando--over a tenth of a year ago.  A lot has happened since then
> >>>> that
> >>>> could not have been foreseen.
> >>>>
> >>>> Yes, some people are speaking up loudly on both sides of this issue,
> >>>> but
> >>>> what does the actual body of delegates think NOW?  That is the truly
> >>>> relevant question, and if it is to go forward with the second sitting
> >>>> in
> >>>> Orlando, so be it.  However, if that were to occur without remote
> >>>> access, so that delegates can participate in the convention from
> >>>> wherever they are, that would have very harmful ramifications for the
> >>>> LP.
> >>>>
> >>>> I do think a poll of the delegates should be taken again ASAP to
> >>>> ascertain across all delegations #1) what are their current
> attendance
> >>>> plans?, and #2) do they want the second sitting to occur July 9-12?
> I
> >>>> think #1 is far more important than #2 in forming a decision.  After
> >>>> all, what is going to happen if only one-seventh of the credentialed
> >>>> delegates show?
> >>>>
> >>>> I think all of us greatly respect the convention knowledge and very
> >>>> hard
> >>>> work of the COC for both Austin and Orlando, and I would very much
> >>>> regret little to nothing ultimately coming of it in 2020.  But, I
> >>>> think
> >>>> there is still time, for the overall good of the Libertarian Party,
> to
> >>>> get a good handle on what all of the delegates are thinking right
> now,
> >>>> and that could be effected very quickly.
> >>>>
> >>>> Bill Redpath
> >>>>
> >>>> On 2020-06-30 23:09, john.phillips--- via Lnc-business wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> You remember I already did that ;)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Teasing aside, I 100% support this and wholeheartedly sign on.
> Thank you
> >>>>>
> >>>>> John Phillips
> >>>>> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
> >>>>> Cell 217-412-5973
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Jun 30, 2020 11:02 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
> >>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I call upon my fellow LNC members to promise to support and work
> for
> >>>> remote
> >>>>>> participation if the in person convention goes forward.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I do so pledge.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> *  In Liberty,*
> >>>>>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
> Syndrome
> >>>>>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> >>>>>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
> anyone
> >>>>>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
> social
> >>>> faux
> >>>>>> pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me
> know.  *
> >>>>
>
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