[Lnc-business] Can we put out a poll to the delegates who voted for an in person convention

Wed Jul 1 19:57:14 EDT 2020

The list used was the CURRENT list in the CRM of delegates.  I sent the
same poll to alternates but wanted to keep the results in separate groups.
Daniel Fishman
Executive Director
The Libertarian Party
Join Us <http://www.lp.org/join>

On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 5:40 PM <john.phillips at lp.org> wrote:

> I have one delegate that wishes to vote not attending in person, but will
> not vote in the poll because ot says that the election admins can see their
> choices rather than being anonymous.
>
> John Phillips
> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
> Cell 217-412-5973
>
> On Jul 1, 2020 3:57 PM, john.phillips at lp.org wrote:
>
> I have a few delegates that have not received as well.
>
> Also advise people to check "promotions" folder.
>
> John Phillips
> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
> Cell 217-412-5973
>
> On Jul 1, 2020 3:45 PM, "erin.adams--- via Lnc-business" <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
> It appears the incorrect delegate list was used when sending the survey. I
> would ask that that list be cross-checked with the most current list from
> credentials and I would also ask that alternates be asked that alternates
> be polled as well
>
> Erin Adams Region 7 alt.
>
> On Jul 1, 2020 3:40 PM, Rich Bowen via Lnc-business <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
> On 2020-07-01 15:10, Daniel Fishman via Lnc-business wrote:
> > I have conferred with the chair and have his approval.  The poll is in
> > the
> > mail
> > ---
> > Daniel Fishman
> > Executive Director
> > The Libertarian Party
> > Join Us <http://www.lp.org/join>
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 2:55 PM Caryn Ann Harlos
> > <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I object and agree with Sam.  You do not have the authority to send
> >> such a
> >> poll over the objections of the LNC unless the Chair has overridden
> >> the
> >> LNC.  Has he?
> >>
> >> *In Liberty,*
> >>
> >> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
> >> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> >> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
> >> anyone
> >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
> >> faux
> >> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 12:42 PM Sam Goldstein <sam.goldstein at lp.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I object.  Such a simplistic poll does not even begin to address the
> >>> financial consequences to the party of a cancellation.
> >>>
> >>> ---
> >>> Sam Goldstein, At Large Member
> >>> Libertarian National Committee
> >>> Convention Oversight Committee
> >>> 317-850-0726 Cell
> >>>
> >>> On 2020-07-01 14:36, Daniel Fishman via Lnc-business wrote:
> >>> > What I plan to send. I think the attendance question is important.
> I
> >>> > will
> >>> > close the poll at midnight 3:am Eastern. I tried to gracefully
> >>> > incorporate
> >>> > the "rescind" language.
> >>> >
> >>> > [image: image.png]
> >>> > ---
> >>> > Daniel Fishman
> >>> > Executive Director
> >>> > The Libertarian Party
> >>> > Join Us <http://www.lp.org/join>
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 1:55 PM Caryn Ann Harlos
> >>> > <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
> >>> > wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> >> If the contract cannot be worked out that is out of our hands.  I
> >>> >> wanted
> >>> >> the poll yesterday.  Now I am done wasting my limited time on
> useless
> >>> >> exercises that we will then argue endlessly over.  My bandwidth is
> at
> >>> >> its
> >>> >> end.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> *In Liberty,*
> >>> >>
> >>> >> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
> Syndrome
> >>> >> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> >>> >> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
> >>> >> anyone
> >>> >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
> social
> >>> >> faux
> >>> >> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 11:42 AM <john.phillips at lp.org> wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >>> I get your point, but I disagree.  We have plenty of evidence that
> >>> >>> the
> >>> >>> delegates want to be polled that is reason enough to take the 5
> >>> >>> minutes to
> >>> >>> do it, and if they say have the convention than all is good
> anyway.
> >>> >>> If
> >>> >>> they say don't we have a data point to base a decision on.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> In reality sitting on the call last night there are some contract
> >>> >>> concerns that need to be worked out, and if they can't then it is
> >>> >>> moot.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> John Phillips
> >>> >>> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
> >>> >>> Cell 217-412-5973
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> On Jul 1, 2020 12:33 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
>
> >>> >>> wrote:
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>  I do not agree with that wording.  It does not answer for me the
> >>> >>> question that needs to be answered.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> And frankly it is too late.  Imagine if we spent this time doing
> >>> >>> something productive.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> *In Liberty,*
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
> >>> >>> Syndrome
> >>> >>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> >>> >>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
> >>> >>> anyone
> >>> >>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
> social
> >>> >>> faux
> >>> >>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 11:05 AM <john.phillips at lp.org> wrote:
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Oh for the love of god can we just do the poll.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Poll the delegates from Memorial day weekend.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Ask them very simply:
> >>> >>> Would you vote to have an in person convention in Orlando July 8th
> >>> >>> thru
> >>> >>> 12th.
> >>> >>> Yes, No, Nota.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> At this point it wont matter with the screwing around going on as
> we
> >>> >>> won't be able to meet in time to cancel even if they all vote to
> do
> >>> >>> so, but
> >>> >>> lets do the damn poll so we at least know how bad it is.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> John Phillips
> >>> >>> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
> >>> >>> Cell 217-412-5973
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> On Jul 1, 2020 11:46 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
> >>> >>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Are you weighting the state chairs according to the number of
> >>> >>> delegates?
> >>> >>> If not, it is not representative.  Colorado has significantly more
> >>> >>> delegates than other states.  You cannot use the state chairs as
> >>> >>> representing delegates without that calculation.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> It is too late.  I asked for this poll early yesterday.  It is
> >>> >>> absolutely
> >>> >>> unethical at this point to turn people's lives upside down when we
> >>> >>> have a
> >>> >>> location.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> I have not agreed with a lot of the criticisms of this body -
> there
> >>> >>> has
> >>> >>> been shady business going on and we were dealt a bad hand.  If we
> >>> >>> cancel
> >>> >>> when we have a location over the will of delegates at convention,
> >>> >>> this
> >>> >>> body
> >>> >>> has no business being anywhere near leadership.  It is wrong, and
> it
> >>> >>> is
> >>> >>> robbing people who spent money and a violation of the principle of
> >>> >>> the
> >>> >>> non-initiation of force.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> *In Liberty,*
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
> >>> >>> Syndrome
> >>> >>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> >>> >>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
> >>> >>> anyone
> >>> >>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
> social
> >>> >>> faux
> >>> >>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 9:15 AM Richard Longstreth <
> >>> >>> richard.longstreth at lp.org>
> >>> >>> wrote:
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> > I'm not good with wording polls but if someone is, I'd like to
> get
> >>> this
> >>> >>> > started sooner rather than later. I find wisdom in hearing from
> the
> >>> >>> > delegates on this. My state chairs are, almost entirely, saying
> to
> >>> not
> >>> >>> > approve a third venue. Absent a poll of delegates, I intend to
> >>> >>> represent
> >>> >>> > their opinion and trust that they are representing their
> delegates
> >>> to
> >>> >>> me. I
> >>> >>> > cannot poll everyone in the region myself at this point, let
> alone
> >>> have
> >>> >>> > contact info for all of the delegates for speedy communication.
> >>> >>> >
> >>> >>> > Richard Longstreth
> >>> >>> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA,
> WY)
> >>> >>> > Libertarian National Committee
> >>> >>> > richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> >>> > 931.538.9300
> >>> >>> >
> >>> >>> > Sent from my Mobile Device
> >>> >>> >
> >>> >>> > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 20:51 Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
> >>> >>> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>> >>> >
> >>> >>> >> As far as wording that is not my call.  But bad wording will
> kill
> >>> the
> >>> >>> >> entire usefulness.
> >>> >>> >>
> >>> >>> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 9:50 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <
> >>> >>> caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> >>> >>> >> >
> >>> >>> >> wrote:
> >>> >>> >>
> >>> >>> >> > The poll should be only those credentialed at the Sunday
> session
> >>> of
> >>> >>> the
> >>> >>> >> > first part of the convention.
> >>> >>> >> >
> >>> >>> >> > They made a decision.
> >>> >>> >> >
> >>> >>> >> > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 6:54 PM Daniel Fishman <
> >>> dan.fishman at lphq.org>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> >> > wrote:
> >>> >>> >> >
> >>> >>> >> >> Would you like me to poll all current members?  All
> delegates?
> >>> >>> >> >>
> >>> >>> >> >> What would you like the wording to be?
> >>> >>> >> >> ---
> >>> >>> >> >> Daniel Fishman
> >>> >>> >> >> Executive Director
> >>> >>> >> >> The Libertarian Party
> >>> >>> >> >> Join Us <http://www.lp.org/join>
> >>> >>> >> >>
> >>> >>> >> >>
> >>> >>> >> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 7:54 PM Caryn Ann Harlos via
> >>> Lnc-business <
> >>> >>> >> >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>> >>> >> >>
> >>> >>> >> >>> Mr Hagan apologies if I was hasty though I do think in this
> >>> >>> rapidly
> >>> >>> >> >>> changing situation we must be checking our emails hourly.
> >>> >>> >> >>>
> >>> >>> >> >>> My proposal is to poll only the delegates we are seeking to
> >>> >>> overturn.
> >>> >>> >> >>> Those credentialed at the session that voted for the in
> person
> >>> >>> >> >>> convention.
> >>> >>> >> >>>
> >>> >>> >> >>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 5:19 PM Richard Longstreth via
> >>> >>> Lnc-business <
> >>> >>> >> >>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>> >>> >> >>>
> >>> >>> >> >>> > I am supportive.
> >>> >>> >> >>> >
> >>> >>> >> >>> > Richard Longstreth
> >>> >>> >> >>> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR,
> UT,
> >>> WA,
> >>> >>> WY)
> >>> >>> >> >>> > Libertarian National Committee
> >>> >>> >> >>> > richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> >>> >> >>> > 931.538.9300
> >>> >>> >> >>> >
> >>> >>> >> >>> > Sent from my Mobile Device
> >>> >>> >> >>> >
> >>> >>> >> >>> > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 15:37 Tim Hagan via Lnc-business <
> >>> >>> >> >>> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>> >>> >> >>> >
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > You shouldn't interpret silence as disapproval. Some
> people
> >>> >>> aren't
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > constantly checking their e-mails, could be working, or
> >>> still
> >>> >>> >> >>> processing
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > this news thrown at us last night and have questions.
> >>> >>> >> >>> > >
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > I don't have a problem with taking a poll, unless if
> we're
> >>> >>> going
> >>> >>> >> to
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > waste time arguing over the wording or who gets polled
> >>> (e.g.
> >>> >>> all
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > delegates, delegates & alternates credentialed in May,
> >>> etc.).
> >>> >>> >> >>> > >
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > ---
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > Tim Hagan
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
> >>> >>> >> >>> > >
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > On 2020-06-30 14:20, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
> >>> wrote:
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > > A poll could have already gone out from the national
> >>> office.
> >>> >>> >> Yet
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > > except
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > > for you - silence on this post.
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > > That is wrong.  Are we scared of what they might
> say?  I
> >>> >>> >> actually
> >>> >>> >> >>> think
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > > they might have changed their mind, but I need to
> know
> >>> that
> >>> >>> for
> >>> >>> >> >>> sure.
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > > *  In Liberty,*
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as
> >>> >>> Asperger's
> >>> >>> >> >>> Syndrome
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect
> >>> >>> inter-personal
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > > communication skills in both personal and electronic
> >>> >>> arenas.  If
> >>> >>> >> >>> anyone
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or
> some
> >>> >>> other
> >>> >>> >> >>> social
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > > faux
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > > pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately
> and
> >>> let
> >>> >>> me
> >>> >>> >> >>> know.
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > > *
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 1:05 PM <john.phillips at lp.org>
>
> >>> >>> wrote:
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> Agreed.  I am informally polling my region, but that
> is
> >>> >>> just
> >>> >>> >> one
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> region.
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >>
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> John Phillips
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> Libertarian National Committee Region 6
> Representative
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> Cell 217-412-5973
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >>
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> On Jun 30, 2020 1:26 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via
> >>> Lnc-business
> >>> >>> <
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >>
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> Here is something we all need to take seriously.
> The
> >>> >>> delegates
> >>> >>> >> >>> voted
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> for
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> an in person convention.  I don't really think we
> have
> >>> the
> >>> >>> >> right
> >>> >>> >> >>> to
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> cancel
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> if we have a location which we do.  It is usurping
> their
> >>> >>> >> decision.
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> But
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> they may think differently now.  Can we poll them so
> we
> >>> >>> know
> >>> >>> >> what
> >>> >>> >> >>> we
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> should
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> do?  This isn't about us.  It is about particular
> state
> >>> >>> chairs
> >>> >>> >> in
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> particular regions.  It is about the delegate that
> gave
> >>> us
> >>> >>> >> >>> specific
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> marching orders.  Can we find out what THEY want?
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >>
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> *  In Liberty,*
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as
> >>> >>> Asperger's
> >>> >>> >> >>> Syndrome
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect
> >>> >>> inter-personal
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> communication skills in both personal and electronic
> >>> >>> arenas.
> >>> >>> >> If
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> anyone
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or
> some
> >>> >>> other
> >>> >>> >> >>> social
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> faux
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately
> and
> >>> >>> let me
> >>> >>> >> >>> know.
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> *
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >>
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >>
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >>
> >>> >>> >> >>> > >
> >>> >>> >> >>> >
> >>> >>> >> >>> --
> >>> >>> >> >>>
> >>> >>> >> >>> *In Liberty,*
> >>> >>> >> >>>
> >>> >>> >> >>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as
> Asperger's
> >>> >>> Syndrome
> >>> >>> >> >>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect
> inter-personal
> >>> >>> >> >>> communication skills in both personal and electronic
> arenas.
> >>> If
> >>> >>> >> anyone
> >>> >>> >> >>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some
> other
> >>> >>> social
> >>> >>> >> faux
> >>> >>> >> >>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
> >>> >>> >> >>>
> >>> >>> >> >> --
> >>> >>> >> >
> >>> >>> >> > *In Liberty,*
> >>> >>> >> >
> >>> >>> >> > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
> >>> >>> Syndrome
> >>> >>> >> > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect
> inter-personal
> >>> >>> >> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.
> If
> >>> >>> anyone
> >>> >>> >> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
> >>> social
> >>> >>> >> faux
> >>> >>> >> > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
> >>> >>> >> >
> >>> >>> >> > --
> >>> >>> >>
> >>> >>> >> *In Liberty,*
> >>> >>> >>
> >>> >>> >> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
> >>> Syndrome
> >>> >>> >> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> >>> >>> >> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.
> If
> >>> >>> anyone
> >>> >>> >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
> >>> social
> >>> >>> faux
> >>> >>> >> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
> >>> >>> >>
> >>> >>> >
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> On Jul 1, 2020 12:33 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
>
> >>> >>> wrote:
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>  I do not agree with that wording.  It does not answer for me the
> >>> >>> question that needs to be answered.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> And frankly it is too late.  Imagine if we spent this time doing
> >>> >>> something productive.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> *In Liberty,*
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
> >>> >>> Syndrome
> >>> >>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> >>> >>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
> >>> >>> anyone
> >>> >>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
> social
> >>> >>> faux
> >>> >>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 11:05 AM <john.phillips at lp.org> wrote:
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Oh for the love of god can we just do the poll.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Poll the delegates from Memorial day weekend.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Ask them very simply:
> >>> >>> Would you vote to have an in person convention in Orlando July 8th
> >>> >>> thru
> >>> >>> 12th.
> >>> >>> Yes, No, Nota.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> At this point it wont matter with the screwing around going on as
> we
> >>> >>> won't be able to meet in time to cancel even if they all vote to
> do
> >>> >>> so, but
> >>> >>> lets do the damn poll so we at least know how bad it is.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> John Phillips
> >>> >>> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
> >>> >>> Cell 217-412-5973
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> On Jul 1, 2020 11:46 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
> >>> >>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Are you weighting the state chairs according to the number of
> >>> >>> delegates?
> >>> >>> If not, it is not representative.  Colorado has significantly more
> >>> >>> delegates than other states.  You cannot use the state chairs as
> >>> >>> representing delegates without that calculation.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> It is too late.  I asked for this poll early yesterday.  It is
> >>> >>> absolutely
> >>> >>> unethical at this point to turn people's lives upside down when we
> >>> >>> have a
> >>> >>> location.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> I have not agreed with a lot of the criticisms of this body -
> there
> >>> >>> has
> >>> >>> been shady business going on and we were dealt a bad hand.  If we
> >>> >>> cancel
> >>> >>> when we have a location over the will of delegates at convention,
> >>> >>> this
> >>> >>> body
> >>> >>> has no business being anywhere near leadership.  It is wrong, and
> it
> >>> >>> is
> >>> >>> robbing people who spent money and a violation of the principle of
> >>> >>> the
> >>> >>> non-initiation of force.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> *In Liberty,*
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
> >>> >>> Syndrome
> >>> >>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> >>> >>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
> >>> >>> anyone
> >>> >>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
> social
> >>> >>> faux
> >>> >>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 9:15 AM Richard Longstreth <
> >>> >>> richard.longstreth at lp.org>
> >>> >>> wrote:
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> > I'm not good with wording polls but if someone is, I'd like to
> get
> >>> this
> >>> >>> > started sooner rather than later. I find wisdom in hearing from
> the
> >>> >>> > delegates on this. My state chairs are, almost entirely, saying
> to
> >>> not
> >>> >>> > approve a third venue. Absent a poll of delegates, I intend to
> >>> >>> represent
> >>> >>> > their opinion and trust that they are representing their
> delegates
> >>> to
> >>> >>> me. I
> >>> >>> > cannot poll everyone in the region myself at this point, let
> alone
> >>> have
> >>> >>> > contact info for all of the delegates for speedy communication.
> >>> >>> >
> >>> >>> > Richard Longstreth
> >>> >>> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA,
> WY)
> >>> >>> > Libertarian National Committee
> >>> >>> > richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> >>> > 931.538.9300
> >>> >>> >
> >>> >>> > Sent from my Mobile Device
> >>> >>> >
> >>> >>> > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 20:51 Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
> >>> >>> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>> >>> >
> >>> >>> >> As far as wording that is not my call.  But bad wording will
> kill
> >>> the
> >>> >>> >> entire usefulness.
> >>> >>> >>
> >>> >>> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 9:50 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <
> >>> >>> caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> >>> >>> >> >
> >>> >>> >> wrote:
> >>> >>> >>
> >>> >>> >> > The poll should be only those credentialed at the Sunday
> session
> >>> of
> >>> >>> the
> >>> >>> >> > first part of the convention.
> >>> >>> >> >
> >>> >>> >> > They made a decision.
> >>> >>> >> >
> >>> >>> >> > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 6:54 PM Daniel Fishman <
> >>> dan.fishman at lphq.org>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> >> > wrote:
> >>> >>> >> >
> >>> >>> >> >> Would you like me to poll all current members?  All
> delegates?
> >>> >>> >> >>
> >>> >>> >> >> What would you like the wording to be?
> >>> >>> >> >> ---
> >>> >>> >> >> Daniel Fishman
> >>> >>> >> >> Executive Director
> >>> >>> >> >> The Libertarian Party
> >>> >>> >> >> Join Us <http://www.lp.org/join>
> >>> >>> >> >>
> >>> >>> >> >>
> >>> >>> >> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 7:54 PM Caryn Ann Harlos via
> >>> Lnc-business <
> >>> >>> >> >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>> >>> >> >>
> >>> >>> >> >>> Mr Hagan apologies if I was hasty though I do think in this
> >>> >>> rapidly
> >>> >>> >> >>> changing situation we must be checking our emails hourly.
> >>> >>> >> >>>
> >>> >>> >> >>> My proposal is to poll only the delegates we are seeking to
> >>> >>> overturn.
> >>> >>> >> >>> Those credentialed at the session that voted for the in
> person
> >>> >>> >> >>> convention.
> >>> >>> >> >>>
> >>> >>> >> >>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 5:19 PM Richard Longstreth via
> >>> >>> Lnc-business <
> >>> >>> >> >>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>> >>> >> >>>
> >>> >>> >> >>> > I am supportive.
> >>> >>> >> >>> >
> >>> >>> >> >>> > Richard Longstreth
> >>> >>> >> >>> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR,
> UT,
> >>> WA,
> >>> >>> WY)
> >>> >>> >> >>> > Libertarian National Committee
> >>> >>> >> >>> > richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> >>> >> >>> > 931.538.9300
> >>> >>> >> >>> >
> >>> >>> >> >>> > Sent from my Mobile Device
> >>> >>> >> >>> >
> >>> >>> >> >>> > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 15:37 Tim Hagan via Lnc-business <
> >>> >>> >> >>> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>> >>> >> >>> >
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > You shouldn't interpret silence as disapproval. Some
> people
> >>> >>> aren't
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > constantly checking their e-mails, could be working, or
> >>> still
> >>> >>> >> >>> processing
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > this news thrown at us last night and have questions.
> >>> >>> >> >>> > >
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > I don't have a problem with taking a poll, unless if
> we're
> >>> >>> going
> >>> >>> >> to
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > waste time arguing over the wording or who gets polled
> >>> (e.g.
> >>> >>> all
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > delegates, delegates & alternates credentialed in May,
> >>> etc.).
> >>> >>> >> >>> > >
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > ---
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > Tim Hagan
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
> >>> >>> >> >>> > >
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > On 2020-06-30 14:20, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
> >>> wrote:
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > > A poll could have already gone out from the national
> >>> office.
> >>> >>> >> Yet
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > > except
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > > for you - silence on this post.
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > > That is wrong.  Are we scared of what they might
> say?  I
> >>> >>> >> actually
> >>> >>> >> >>> think
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > > they might have changed their mind, but I need to
> know
> >>> that
> >>> >>> for
> >>> >>> >> >>> sure.
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > > *  In Liberty,*
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as
> >>> >>> Asperger's
> >>> >>> >> >>> Syndrome
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect
> >>> >>> inter-personal
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > > communication skills in both personal and electronic
> >>> >>> arenas.  If
> >>> >>> >> >>> anyone
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or
> some
> >>> >>> other
> >>> >>> >> >>> social
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > > faux
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > > pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately
> and
> >>> let
> >>> >>> me
> >>> >>> >> >>> know.
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > > *
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 1:05 PM <john.phillips at lp.org>
>
> >>> >>> wrote:
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> Agreed.  I am informally polling my region, but that
> is
> >>> >>> just
> >>> >>> >> one
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> region.
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >>
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> John Phillips
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> Libertarian National Committee Region 6
> Representative
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> Cell 217-412-5973
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >>
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> On Jun 30, 2020 1:26 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via
> >>> Lnc-business
> >>> >>> <
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >>
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> Here is something we all need to take seriously.
> The
> >>> >>> delegates
> >>> >>> >> >>> voted
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> for
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> an in person convention.  I don't really think we
> have
> >>> the
> >>> >>> >> right
> >>> >>> >> >>> to
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> cancel
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> if we have a location which we do.  It is usurping
> their
> >>> >>> >> decision.
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> But
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> they may think differently now.  Can we poll them so
> we
> >>> >>> know
> >>> >>> >> what
> >>> >>> >> >>> we
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> should
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> do?  This isn't about us.  It is about particular
> state
> >>> >>> chairs
> >>> >>> >> in
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> particular regions.  It is about the delegate that
> gave
> >>> us
> >>> >>> >> >>> specific
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> marching orders.  Can we find out what THEY want?
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >>
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> *  In Liberty,*
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as
> >>> >>> Asperger's
> >>> >>> >> >>> Syndrome
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect
> >>> >>> inter-personal
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> communication skills in both personal and electronic
> >>> >>> arenas.
> >>> >>> >> If
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> anyone
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or
> some
> >>> >>> other
> >>> >>> >> >>> social
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> faux
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately
> and
> >>> >>> let me
> >>> >>> >> >>> know.
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> *
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >>
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >>
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >>
> >>> >>> >> >>> > >
> >>> >>> >> >>> >
> >>> >>> >> >>> --
> >>> >>> >> >>>
> >>> >>> >> >>> *In Liberty,*
> >>> >>> >> >>>
> >>> >>> >> >>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as
> Asperger's
> >>> >>> Syndrome
> >>> >>> >> >>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect
> inter-personal
> >>> >>> >> >>> communication skills in both personal and electronic
> arenas.
> >>> If
> >>> >>> >> anyone
> >>> >>> >> >>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some
> other
> >>> >>> social
> >>> >>> >> faux
> >>> >>> >> >>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
> >>> >>> >> >>>
> >>> >>> >> >> --
> >>> >>> >> >
> >>> >>> >> > *In Liberty,*
> >>> >>> >> >
> >>> >>> >> > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
> >>> >>> Syndrome
> >>> >>> >> > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect
> inter-personal
> >>> >>> >> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.
> If
> >>> >>> anyone
> >>> >>> >> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
> >>> social
> >>> >>> >> faux
> >>> >>> >> > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
> >>> >>> >> >
> >>> >>> >> > --
> >>> >>> >>
> >>> >>> >> *In Liberty,*
> >>> >>> >>
> >>> >>> >> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
> >>> Syndrome
> >>> >>> >> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> >>> >>> >> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.
> If
> >>> >>> anyone
> >>> >>> >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
> >>> social
> >>> >>> faux
> >>> >>> >> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
> >>> >>> >>
> >>> >>> >
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> On Jul 1, 2020 12:33 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
>
> >>> >>> wrote:
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>  I do not agree with that wording.  It does not answer for me the
> >>> >>> question that needs to be answered.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> And frankly it is too late.  Imagine if we spent this time doing
> >>> >>> something productive.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> *In Liberty,*
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
> >>> >>> Syndrome
> >>> >>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> >>> >>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
> >>> >>> anyone
> >>> >>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
> social
> >>> >>> faux
> >>> >>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 11:05 AM <john.phillips at lp.org> wrote:
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Oh for the love of god can we just do the poll.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Poll the delegates from Memorial day weekend.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Ask them very simply:
> >>> >>> Would you vote to have an in person convention in Orlando July 8th
> >>> >>> thru
> >>> >>> 12th.
> >>> >>> Yes, No, Nota.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> At this point it wont matter with the screwing around going on as
> we
> >>> >>> won't be able to meet in time to cancel even if they all vote to
> do
> >>> >>> so, but
> >>> >>> lets do the damn poll so we at least know how bad it is.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> John Phillips
> >>> >>> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
> >>> >>> Cell 217-412-5973
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> On Jul 1, 2020 11:46 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
> >>> >>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Are you weighting the state chairs according to the number of
> >>> >>> delegates?
> >>> >>> If not, it is not representative.  Colorado has significantly more
> >>> >>> delegates than other states.  You cannot use the state chairs as
> >>> >>> representing delegates without that calculation.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> It is too late.  I asked for this poll early yesterday.  It is
> >>> >>> absolutely
> >>> >>> unethical at this point to turn people's lives upside down when we
> >>> >>> have a
> >>> >>> location.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> I have not agreed with a lot of the criticisms of this body -
> there
> >>> >>> has
> >>> >>> been shady business going on and we were dealt a bad hand.  If we
> >>> >>> cancel
> >>> >>> when we have a location over the will of delegates at convention,
> >>> >>> this
> >>> >>> body
> >>> >>> has no business being anywhere near leadership.  It is wrong, and
> it
> >>> >>> is
> >>> >>> robbing people who spent money and a violation of the principle of
> >>> >>> the
> >>> >>> non-initiation of force.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> *In Liberty,*
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
> >>> >>> Syndrome
> >>> >>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> >>> >>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
> >>> >>> anyone
> >>> >>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
> social
> >>> >>> faux
> >>> >>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 9:15 AM Richard Longstreth <
> >>> >>> richard.longstreth at lp.org>
> >>> >>> wrote:
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> > I'm not good with wording polls but if someone is, I'd like to
> get
> >>> this
> >>> >>> > started sooner rather than later. I find wisdom in hearing from
> the
> >>> >>> > delegates on this. My state chairs are, almost entirely, saying
> to
> >>> not
> >>> >>> > approve a third venue. Absent a poll of delegates, I intend to
> >>> >>> represent
> >>> >>> > their opinion and trust that they are representing their
> delegates
> >>> to
> >>> >>> me. I
> >>> >>> > cannot poll everyone in the region myself at this point, let
> alone
> >>> have
> >>> >>> > contact info for all of the delegates for speedy communication.
> >>> >>> >
> >>> >>> > Richard Longstreth
> >>> >>> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA,
> WY)
> >>> >>> > Libertarian National Committee
> >>> >>> > richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> >>> > 931.538.9300
> >>> >>> >
> >>> >>> > Sent from my Mobile Device
> >>> >>> >
> >>> >>> > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 20:51 Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
> >>> >>> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>> >>> >
> >>> >>> >> As far as wording that is not my call.  But bad wording will
> kill
> >>> the
> >>> >>> >> entire usefulness.
> >>> >>> >>
> >>> >>> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 9:50 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <
> >>> >>> caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> >>> >>> >> >
> >>> >>> >> wrote:
> >>> >>> >>
> >>> >>> >> > The poll should be only those credentialed at the Sunday
> session
> >>> of
> >>> >>> the
> >>> >>> >> > first part of the convention.
> >>> >>> >> >
> >>> >>> >> > They made a decision.
> >>> >>> >> >
> >>> >>> >> > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 6:54 PM Daniel Fishman <
> >>> dan.fishman at lphq.org>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> >> > wrote:
> >>> >>> >> >
> >>> >>> >> >> Would you like me to poll all current members?  All
> delegates?
> >>> >>> >> >>
> >>> >>> >> >> What would you like the wording to be?
> >>> >>> >> >> ---
> >>> >>> >> >> Daniel Fishman
> >>> >>> >> >> Executive Director
> >>> >>> >> >> The Libertarian Party
> >>> >>> >> >> Join Us <http://www.lp.org/join>
> >>> >>> >> >>
> >>> >>> >> >>
> >>> >>> >> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 7:54 PM Caryn Ann Harlos via
> >>> Lnc-business <
> >>> >>> >> >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>> >>> >> >>
> >>> >>> >> >>> Mr Hagan apologies if I was hasty though I do think in this
> >>> >>> rapidly
> >>> >>> >> >>> changing situation we must be checking our emails hourly.
> >>> >>> >> >>>
> >>> >>> >> >>> My proposal is to poll only the delegates we are seeking to
> >>> >>> overturn.
> >>> >>> >> >>> Those credentialed at the session that voted for the in
> person
> >>> >>> >> >>> convention.
> >>> >>> >> >>>
> >>> >>> >> >>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 5:19 PM Richard Longstreth via
> >>> >>> Lnc-business <
> >>> >>> >> >>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>> >>> >> >>>
> >>> >>> >> >>> > I am supportive.
> >>> >>> >> >>> >
> >>> >>> >> >>> > Richard Longstreth
> >>> >>> >> >>> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR,
> UT,
> >>> WA,
> >>> >>> WY)
> >>> >>> >> >>> > Libertarian National Committee
> >>> >>> >> >>> > richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> >>> >> >>> > 931.538.9300
> >>> >>> >> >>> >
> >>> >>> >> >>> > Sent from my Mobile Device
> >>> >>> >> >>> >
> >>> >>> >> >>> > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 15:37 Tim Hagan via Lnc-business <
> >>> >>> >> >>> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>> >>> >> >>> >
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > You shouldn't interpret silence as disapproval. Some
> people
> >>> >>> aren't
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > constantly checking their e-mails, could be working, or
> >>> still
> >>> >>> >> >>> processing
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > this news thrown at us last night and have questions.
> >>> >>> >> >>> > >
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > I don't have a problem with taking a poll, unless if
> we're
> >>> >>> going
> >>> >>> >> to
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > waste time arguing over the wording or who gets polled
> >>> (e.g.
> >>> >>> all
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > delegates, delegates & alternates credentialed in May,
> >>> etc.).
> >>> >>> >> >>> > >
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > ---
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > Tim Hagan
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
> >>> >>> >> >>> > >
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > On 2020-06-30 14:20, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
> >>> wrote:
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > > A poll could have already gone out from the national
> >>> office.
> >>> >>> >> Yet
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > > except
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > > for you - silence on this post.
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > > That is wrong.  Are we scared of what they might
> say?  I
> >>> >>> >> actually
> >>> >>> >> >>> think
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > > they might have changed their mind, but I need to
> know
> >>> that
> >>> >>> for
> >>> >>> >> >>> sure.
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > > *  In Liberty,*
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as
> >>> >>> Asperger's
> >>> >>> >> >>> Syndrome
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect
> >>> >>> inter-personal
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > > communication skills in both personal and electronic
> >>> >>> arenas.  If
> >>> >>> >> >>> anyone
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or
> some
> >>> >>> other
> >>> >>> >> >>> social
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > > faux
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > > pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately
> and
> >>> let
> >>> >>> me
> >>> >>> >> >>> know.
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > > *
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 1:05 PM <john.phillips at lp.org>
>
> >>> >>> wrote:
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> Agreed.  I am informally polling my region, but that
> is
> >>> >>> just
> >>> >>> >> one
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> region.
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >>
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> John Phillips
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> Libertarian National Committee Region 6
> Representative
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> Cell 217-412-5973
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >>
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> On Jun 30, 2020 1:26 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via
> >>> Lnc-business
> >>> >>> <
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >>
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> Here is something we all need to take seriously.
> The
> >>> >>> delegates
> >>> >>> >> >>> voted
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> for
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> an in person convention.  I don't really think we
> have
> >>> the
> >>> >>> >> right
> >>> >>> >> >>> to
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> cancel
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> if we have a location which we do.  It is usurping
> their
> >>> >>> >> decision.
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> But
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> they may think differently now.  Can we poll them so
> we
> >>> >>> know
> >>> >>> >> what
> >>> >>> >> >>> we
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> should
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> do?  This isn't about us.  It is about particular
> state
> >>> >>> chairs
> >>> >>> >> in
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> particular regions.  It is about the delegate that
> gave
> >>> us
> >>> >>> >> >>> specific
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> marching orders.  Can we find out what THEY want?
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >>
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> *  In Liberty,*
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as
> >>> >>> Asperger's
> >>> >>> >> >>> Syndrome
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect
> >>> >>> inter-personal
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> communication skills in both personal and electronic
> >>> >>> arenas.
> >>> >>> >> If
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> anyone
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or
> some
> >>> >>> other
> >>> >>> >> >>> social
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> faux
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately
> and
> >>> >>> let me
> >>> >>> >> >>> know.
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> *
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >>
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >>
> >>> >>> >> >>> > > >>
> >>> >>> >> >>> > >
> >>> >>> >> >>> >
> >>> >>> >> >>> --
> >>> >>> >> >>>
> >>> >>> >> >>> *In Liberty,*
> >>> >>> >> >>>
> >>> >>> >> >>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as
> Asperger's
> >>> >>> Syndrome
> >>> >>> >> >>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect
> inter-personal
> >>> >>> >> >>> communication skills in both personal and electronic
> arenas.
> >>> If
> >>> >>> >> anyone
> >>> >>> >> >>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some
> other
> >>> >>> social
> >>> >>> >> faux
> >>> >>> >> >>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
> >>> >>> >> >>>
> >>> >>> >> >> --
> >>> >>> >> >
> >>> >>> >> > *In Liberty,*
> >>> >>> >> >
> >>> >>> >> > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
> >>> >>> Syndrome
> >>> >>> >> > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect
> inter-personal
> >>> >>> >> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.
> If
> >>> >>> anyone
> >>> >>> >> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
> >>> social
> >>> >>> >> faux
> >>> >>> >> > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
> >>> >>> >> >
> >>> >>> >> > --
> >>> >>> >>
> >>> >>> >> *In Liberty,*
> >>> >>> >>
> >>> >>> >> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
> >>> Syndrome
> >>> >>> >> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> >>> >>> >> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.
> If
> >>> >>> anyone
> >>> >>> >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
> >>> social
> >>> >>> faux
> >>> >>> >> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
> >>> >>> >>
> >>> >>> >
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>>
> >>
>
> Just delegates or delegates and alternates?
> --
> Rich Bowen
> LNC Region 8 Alternate
> NJ/NY/CT/RI/MA/VT/NH/ME
>
>
>
>
>