[Lnc-business] Can we put out a poll to the delegates who voted for an in person convention

Susan Hogarth susan.hogarth at lp.org
Wed Jul 1 20:25:34 EDT 2020


     
 

 I agree with Dan that the current list is the relevant one, since many delegations were adjusted based on ability to go to Orlando  
 
 
 
 
  Susan Jane Hogarth
 
  Region 5 Representative
 
  Libertarian National Committee
 
  susan.hogarth at lp.org
 
  919-906-2106 (tel:919-906-2106)
 
 
 
 

 
 
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> On Jul 1, 2020 at 8:21 PM,  <Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business (mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org)>  wrote:
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>  The current list is not the list of the seated delegates from the Sunday portion of the convention. Too late anyways. *In Liberty,* * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. * On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 5:57 PM Daniel Fishman via Lnc-business  <  lnc-business at hq.lp.org>  wrote:  >  The list used was the CURRENT list in the CRM of delegates. I sent the  >  same poll to alternates but wanted to keep the results in separate groups.  >  Daniel Fishman  >  Executive Director  >  The Libertarian Party  >  Join Us  <http://www.lp.org/join>   >   >   >  On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 5:40 PM  <john.phillips at lp.org>  wrote:  >   >   >  I have one delegate that wishes to vote not attending in person, but will  >   >  not 
vote in the poll because ot says that the election admins can see  >  their  >   >  choices rather than being anonymous.  >   >   >   >  John Phillips  >   >  Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative  >   >  Cell 217-412-5973  >   >   >   >  On Jul 1, 2020 3:57 PM, john.phillips at lp.org wrote:  >   >   >   >  I have a few delegates that have not received as well.  >   >   >   >  Also advise people to check "promotions" folder.  >   >   >   >  John Phillips  >   >  Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative  >   >  Cell 217-412-5973  >   >   >   >  On Jul 1, 2020 3:45 PM, "erin.adams--- via Lnc-business"  <   >   >  lnc-business at hq.lp.org>  wrote:  >   >   >   >  It appears the incorrect delegate list was used when sending the survey.  >  I  >   >  would ask that that list be cross-checked with the most current list from  >   >  credentials and I would also ask that alternates be asked that alternates  >   >  be polled as well  >   >   >   >  Erin Adams Region
 7 alt.  >   >   >   >  On Jul 1, 2020 3:40 PM, Rich Bowen via Lnc-business  <   >   >  lnc-business at hq.lp.org>  wrote:  >   >   >   >  On 2020-07-01 15:10, Daniel Fishman via Lnc-business wrote:  >   >   >  I have conferred with the chair and have his approval. The poll is in  >   >   >  the  >   >   >  mail  >   >   >  ---  >   >   >  Daniel Fishman  >   >   >  Executive Director  >   >   >  The Libertarian Party  >   >   >  Join Us  <http://www.lp.org/join>   >   >   >   >   >   >   >   >   >  On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 2:55 PM Caryn Ann Harlos  >   >   >   <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>   >   >   >  wrote:  >   >   >   >   >   >>  I object and agree with Sam. You do not have the authority to send  >   >   >>  such a  >   >   >>  poll over the objections of the LNC unless the Chair has overridden  >   >   >>  the  >   >   >>  LNC. Has he?  >   >   >>   >   >   >>  *In Liberty,*  >   >   >>   >   >   >>  * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome  >   >   >>  (par
t of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal  >   >   >>  communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If  >   >   >>  anyone  >   >   >>  found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social  >   >   >>  faux  >   >   >>  pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *  >   >   >>   >   >   >>   >   >   >>   >   >   >>  On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 12:42 PM Sam Goldstein  <sam.goldstein at lp.org>   >   >   >>  wrote:  >   >   >>   >   >   >>>  I object. Such a simplistic poll does not even begin to address the  >   >   >>>  financial consequences to the party of a cancellation.  >   >   >>>   >   >   >>>  ---  >   >   >>>  Sam Goldstein, At Large Member  >   >   >>>  Libertarian National Committee  >   >   >>>  Convention Oversight Committee  >   >   >>>  317-850-0726 Cell  >   >   >>>   >   >   >>>  On 2020-07-01 14:36, Daniel Fishman via Lnc-business wrote:  >   >   >>>   >  What I plan to send. I think the attendance question is important
.  >   >  I  >   >   >>>   >  will  >   >   >>>   >  close the poll at midnight 3:am Eastern. I tried to gracefully  >   >   >>>   >  incorporate  >   >   >>>   >  the "rescind" language.  >   >   >>>   >   >   >   >>>   >  [image: image.png]  >   >   >>>   >  ---  >   >   >>>   >  Daniel Fishman  >   >   >>>   >  Executive Director  >   >   >>>   >  The Libertarian Party  >   >   >>>   >  Join Us  <http://www.lp.org/join>   >   >   >>>   >   >   >   >>>   >   >   >   >>>   >  On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 1:55 PM Caryn Ann Harlos  >   >   >>>   >   <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>   >   >   >>>   >  wrote:  >   >   >>>   >   >   >   >>>   >>  If the contract cannot be worked out that is out of our hands. I  >   >   >>>   >>  wanted  >   >   >>>   >>  the poll yesterday. Now I am done wasting my limited time on  >   >  useless  >   >   >>>   >>  exercises that we will then argue endlessly over. My bandwidth is  >   >  at  >   >   >>>   >>  its  >   >   >>>   >>  end.  >   >   >>>   >>   >   >   >>
>   >>  *In Liberty,*  >   >   >>>   >>   >   >   >>>   >>  * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's  >   >  Syndrome  >   >   >>>   >>  (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal  >   >   >>>   >>  communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If  >   >   >>>   >>  anyone  >   >   >>>   >>  found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other  >   >  social  >   >   >>>   >>  faux  >   >   >>>   >>  pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *  >   >   >>>   >>   >   >   >>>   >>   >   >   >>>   >>   >   >   >>>   >>  On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 11:42 AM  <john.phillips at lp.org>  wrote:  >   >   >>>   >>   >   >   >>>   >>>  I get your point, but I disagree. We have plenty of evidence  >  that  >   >   >>>   >>>  the  >   >   >>>   >>>  delegates want to be polled that is reason enough to take the 5  >   >   >>>   >>>  minutes to  >   >   >>>   >>>  do it, and if they say have the convention than all is good  >   >  an
yway.  >   >   >>>   >>>  If  >   >   >>>   >>>  they say don't we have a data point to base a decision on.  >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>  In reality sitting on the call last night there are some contract  >   >   >>>   >>>  concerns that need to be worked out, and if they can't then it is  >   >   >>>   >>>  moot.  >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>  John Phillips  >   >   >>>   >>>  Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative  >   >   >>>   >>>  Cell 217-412-5973  >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>  On Jul 1, 2020 12:33 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos  <   >  caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>   >   >   >   >   >>>   >>>  wrote:  >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>  I do not agree with that wording. It does not answer for me the  >   >   >>>   >>>  question that needs to be answered.  >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>  And frankly it is too late. Imagine if we spent this time doing  >   >   >>>   >>>  something productive.  >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>  *In Libe
rty,*  >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>  * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's  >   >   >>>   >>>  Syndrome  >   >   >>>   >>>  (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal  >   >   >>>   >>>  communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If  >   >   >>>   >>>  anyone  >   >   >>>   >>>  found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other  >   >  social  >   >   >>>   >>>  faux  >   >   >>>   >>>  pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *  >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>  On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 11:05 AM  <john.phillips at lp.org>  wrote:  >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>  Oh for the love of god can we just do the poll.  >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>  Poll the delegates from Memorial day weekend.  >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>  Ask them very simply:  >   >   >>>   >>>  Would you vote to have an in person convention in Orlando July  >  8th  > 
  >   >>>   >>>  thru  >   >   >>>   >>>  12th.  >   >   >>>   >>>  Yes, No, Nota.  >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>  At this point it wont matter with the screwing around going on as  >   >  we  >   >   >>>   >>>  won't be able to meet in time to cancel even if they all vote to  >   >  do  >   >   >>>   >>>  so, but  >   >   >>>   >>>  lets do the damn poll so we at least know how bad it is.  >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>  John Phillips  >   >   >>>   >>>  Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative  >   >   >>>   >>>  Cell 217-412-5973  >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>  On Jul 1, 2020 11:46 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business  <   >   >   >>>   >>>  lnc-business at hq.lp.org>  wrote:  >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>  Are you weighting the state chairs according to the number of  >   >   >>>   >>>  delegates?  >   >   >>>   >>>  If not, it is not representative. Colorado has significantly  >  more  >   >   >>>   >>>  delegates than other states. You
 cannot use the state chairs as  >   >   >>>   >>>  representing delegates without that calculation.  >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>  It is too late. I asked for this poll early yesterday. It is  >   >   >>>   >>>  absolutely  >   >   >>>   >>>  unethical at this point to turn people's lives upside down when  >  we  >   >   >>>   >>>  have a  >   >   >>>   >>>  location.  >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>  I have not agreed with a lot of the criticisms of this body -  >   >  there  >   >   >>>   >>>  has  >   >   >>>   >>>  been shady business going on and we were dealt a bad hand. If we  >   >   >>>   >>>  cancel  >   >   >>>   >>>  when we have a location over the will of delegates at convention,  >   >   >>>   >>>  this  >   >   >>>   >>>  body  >   >   >>>   >>>  has no business being anywhere near leadership. It is wrong, and  >   >  it  >   >   >>>   >>>  is  >   >   >>>   >>>  robbing people who spent money and a violation of the principle  >  of  >   >   >>>   >>> 
 the  >   >   >>>   >>>  non-initiation of force.  >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>  *In Liberty,*  >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>  * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's  >   >   >>>   >>>  Syndrome  >   >   >>>   >>>  (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal  >   >   >>>   >>>  communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If  >   >   >>>   >>>  anyone  >   >   >>>   >>>  found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other  >   >  social  >   >   >>>   >>>  faux  >   >   >>>   >>>  pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *  >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>  On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 9:15 AM Richard Longstreth  <   >   >   >>>   >>>  richard.longstreth at lp.org>   >   >   >>>   >>>  wrote:  >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >  I'm not good with wording polls but if some
one is, I'd like to  >   >  get  >   >   >>>  this  >   >   >>>   >>>   >  started sooner rather than later. I find wisdom in hearing from  >   >  the  >   >   >>>   >>>   >  delegates on this. My state chairs are, almost entirely, saying  >   >  to  >   >   >>>  not  >   >   >>>   >>>   >  approve a third venue. Absent a poll of delegates, I intend to  >   >   >>>   >>>  represent  >   >   >>>   >>>   >  their opinion and trust that they are representing their  >   >  delegates  >   >   >>>  to  >   >   >>>   >>>  me. I  >   >   >>>   >>>   >  cannot poll everyone in the region myself at this point, let  >   >  alone  >   >   >>>  have  >   >   >>>   >>>   >  contact info for all of the delegates for speedy communication.  >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >   >>>   >>>   >  Richard Longstreth  >   >   >>>   >>>   >  Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT,  >  WA,  >   >  WY)  >   >   >>>   >>>   >  Libertarian National Committee  >   >   >>>   >>>   >  richard.longst
reth at lp.org  >   >   >>>   >>>   >  931.538.9300  >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >   >>>   >>>   >  Sent from my Mobile Device  >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >   >>>   >>>   >  On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 20:51 Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business  <   >   >   >>>   >>>   >  lnc-business at hq.lp.org>  wrote:  >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>  As far as wording that is not my call. But bad wording will  >   >  kill  >   >   >>>  the  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>  entire usefulness.  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>  On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 9:50 PM Caryn Ann Harlos  <   >   >   >>>   >>>  caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>  wrote:  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >  The poll should be only those credentialed at the Sunday  >   >  session  >   >   >>>  of  >   >   >>>   >>>  the  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >  first part of the convention.  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >  They made a decision.  >   
>   >>>   >>>   >>   >   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >  On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 6:54 PM Daniel Fishman  <   >   >   >>>  dan.fishman at lphq.org>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >  wrote:  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>  Would you like me to poll all current members? All  >   >  delegates?  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>  What would you like the wording to be?  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>  ---  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>  Daniel Fishman  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>  Executive Director  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>  The Libertarian Party  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>  Join Us  <http://www.lp.org/join>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>  On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 7:54 PM Caryn Ann Harlos via  >   >   >>>  Lnc-business  <   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>  lnc-business at hq.lp.org>  wrote:  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>  Mr Hagan apologies if I was has
ty though I do think in  >  this  >   >   >>>   >>>  rapidly  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>  changing situation we must be checking our emails hourly.  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>  My proposal is to poll only the delegates we are seeking  >  to  >   >   >>>   >>>  overturn.  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>  Those credentialed at the session that voted for the in  >   >  person  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>  convention.  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>  On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 5:19 PM Richard Longstreth via  >   >   >>>   >>>  Lnc-business  <   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>  lnc-business at hq.lp.org>  wrote:  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >  I am supportive.  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >  Richard Longstreth  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >  Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR,  >   >  UT,  >   >   >>>  WA,  >   >   >>>   >>>  WY)  >   >   >>>
   >>>   >>   >>>   >  Libertarian National Committee  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >  richard.longstreth at lp.org  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >  931.538.9300  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >  Sent from my Mobile Device  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >  On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 15:37 Tim Hagan via Lnc-business  <   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >  lnc-business at hq.lp.org>  wrote:  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >  You shouldn't interpret silence as disapproval. Some  >   >  people  >   >   >>>   >>>  aren't  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >  constantly checking their e-mails, could be working,  >  or  >   >   >>>  still  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>  processing  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >  this news thrown at us last night and have questions.  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >  I don't have a problem with taking a poll
, unless if  >   >  we're  >   >   >>>   >>>  going  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>  to  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >  waste time arguing over the wording or who gets polled  >   >   >>>  (e.g.  >   >   >>>   >>>  all  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >  delegates, delegates  &  alternates credentialed in May,  >   >   >>>  etc.).  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >  ---  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >  Tim Hagan  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >  Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >  On 2020-06-30 14:20, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business  >   >   >>>  wrote:  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >  A poll could have already gone out from the national  >   >   >>>  office.  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>  Yet  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >  except  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >  for you - silence on this post.  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>  
 >>>   >   >   >   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >  That is wrong. Are we scared of what they might  >   >  say? I  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>  actually  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>  think  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >  they might have changed their mind, but I need to  >   >  know  >   >   >>>  that  >   >   >>>   >>>  for  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>  sure.  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >  * In Liberty,*  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >  * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as  >   >   >>>   >>>  Asperger's  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>  Syndrome  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >  (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect  >   >   >>>   >>>  inter-personal  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >  communication skills in both personal and electronic  >   >   >>>   >>>  arenas. If  >   >   >>>  
 >>>   >>   >>>  anyone  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >  found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or  >   >  some  >   >   >>>   >>>  other  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>  social  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >  faux  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >  pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately  >   >  and  >   >   >>>  let  >   >   >>>   >>>  me  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>  know.  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >  *  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >  On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 1:05 PM  <   >  john.phillips at lp.org>   >   >   >   >   >>>   >>>  wrote:  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>  Agreed. I am informally polling my region, but  >  that  >   >  is  >   >   >>>   >>>  just  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>  one  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>  region.  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >
   >>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>  John Phillips  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>  Libertarian National Committee Region 6  >   >  Representative  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>  Cell 217-412-5973  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>  On Jun 30, 2020 1:26 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via  >   >   >>>  Lnc-business  >   >   >>>   >>>   <   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>  lnc-business at hq.lp.org>  wrote:  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>  Here is something we all need to take seriously.  >   >  The  >   >   >>>   >>>  delegates  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>  voted  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>  for  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>  an in person convention. I don't really think we  >   >  have  >   >   >>>  the  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>  right  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>  to  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>  cancel
  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>  if we have a location which we do. It is usurping  >   >  their  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>  decision.  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>  But  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>  they may think differently now. Can we poll them  >  so  >   >  we  >   >   >>>   >>>  know  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>  what  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>  we  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>  should  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>  do? This isn't about us. It is about particular  >   >  state  >   >   >>>   >>>  chairs  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>  in  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>  particular regions. It is about the delegate that  >   >  gave  >   >   >>>  us  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>  specific  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>  marching orders. Can we find out what THEY want?  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>  * In Liberty,*  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   > 
  >   >>  * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as  >   >   >>>   >>>  Asperger's  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>  Syndrome  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>  (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect  >   >   >>>   >>>  inter-personal  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>  communication skills in both personal and  >  electronic  >   >   >>>   >>>  arenas.  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>  If  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>  anyone  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>  found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or  >   >  some  >   >   >>>   >>>  other  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>  social  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>  faux  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>  pas) in an actual email, please contact me  >  privately  >   >  and  >   >   >>>   >>>  let me  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>  know.  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>  *  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>   
>   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>  --  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>  *In Liberty,*  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>  * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as  >   >  Asperger's  >   >   >>>   >>>  Syndrome  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>  (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect  >   >  inter-personal  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>  communication skills in both personal and electronic  >   >  arenas.  >   >   >>>  If  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>  anyone  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>  found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some  >   >  other  >   >   >>>   >>>  social  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>  faux  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>  pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>  --  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   
>  *In Liberty,*  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >  * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as  >  Asperger's  >   >   >>>   >>>  Syndrome  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >  (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect  >   >  inter-personal  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >  communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  >   >  If  >   >   >>>   >>>  anyone  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >  found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some  >  other  >   >   >>>  social  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>  faux  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >  pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >  --  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>  *In Liberty,*  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>  * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's  >   >   >>>  Syndrome  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>  (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>  com
munication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  >   >  If  >   >   >>>   >>>  anyone  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>  found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other  >   >   >>>  social  >   >   >>>   >>>  faux  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>  pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>  On Jul 1, 2020 12:33 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos  <   >  caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>   >   >   >   >   >>>   >>>  wrote:  >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>  I do not agree with that wording. It does not answer for me the  >   >   >>>   >>>  question that needs to be answered.  >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>  And frankly it is too late. Imagine if we spent this time doing  >   >   >>>   >>>  something productive.  >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>  *In Liberty,*  >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>  * Personal Note: I have what is
 commonly known as Asperger's  >   >   >>>   >>>  Syndrome  >   >   >>>   >>>  (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal  >   >   >>>   >>>  communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If  >   >   >>>   >>>  anyone  >   >   >>>   >>>  found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other  >   >  social  >   >   >>>   >>>  faux  >   >   >>>   >>>  pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *  >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>  On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 11:05 AM  <john.phillips at lp.org>  wrote:  >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>  Oh for the love of god can we just do the poll.  >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>  Poll the delegates from Memorial day weekend.  >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>  Ask them very simply:  >   >   >>>   >>>  Would you vote to have an in person convention in Orlando July  >  8th  >   >   >>>   >>>  thru  >   >   >>>   >>>  12th.  >   >   >>>   >>>  Yes, No, 
Nota.  >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>  At this point it wont matter with the screwing around going on as  >   >  we  >   >   >>>   >>>  won't be able to meet in time to cancel even if they all vote to  >   >  do  >   >   >>>   >>>  so, but  >   >   >>>   >>>  lets do the damn poll so we at least know how bad it is.  >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>  John Phillips  >   >   >>>   >>>  Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative  >   >   >>>   >>>  Cell 217-412-5973  >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>  On Jul 1, 2020 11:46 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business  <   >   >   >>>   >>>  lnc-business at hq.lp.org>  wrote:  >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>  Are you weighting the state chairs according to the number of  >   >   >>>   >>>  delegates?  >   >   >>>   >>>  If not, it is not representative. Colorado has significantly  >  more  >   >   >>>   >>>  delegates than other states. You cannot use the state chairs as  >   >   >>>   >>>  representing delegates wi
thout that calculation.  >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>  It is too late. I asked for this poll early yesterday. It is  >   >   >>>   >>>  absolutely  >   >   >>>   >>>  unethical at this point to turn people's lives upside down when  >  we  >   >   >>>   >>>  have a  >   >   >>>   >>>  location.  >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>  I have not agreed with a lot of the criticisms of this body -  >   >  there  >   >   >>>   >>>  has  >   >   >>>   >>>  been shady business going on and we were dealt a bad hand. If we  >   >   >>>   >>>  cancel  >   >   >>>   >>>  when we have a location over the will of delegates at convention,  >   >   >>>   >>>  this  >   >   >>>   >>>  body  >   >   >>>   >>>  has no business being anywhere near leadership. It is wrong, and  >   >  it  >   >   >>>   >>>  is  >   >   >>>   >>>  robbing people who spent money and a violation of the principle  >  of  >   >   >>>   >>>  the  >   >   >>>   >>>  non-initiation of force.  >   >   >>>   >>>   >   > 
  >>>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>  *In Liberty,*  >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>  * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's  >   >   >>>   >>>  Syndrome  >   >   >>>   >>>  (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal  >   >   >>>   >>>  communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If  >   >   >>>   >>>  anyone  >   >   >>>   >>>  found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other  >   >  social  >   >   >>>   >>>  faux  >   >   >>>   >>>  pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *  >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>  On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 9:15 AM Richard Longstreth  <   >   >   >>>   >>>  richard.longstreth at lp.org>   >   >   >>>   >>>  wrote:  >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >  I'm not good with wording polls but if someone is, I'd like to  >   >  get  >   >   >>>  this  >   >   >>>   >>>   >  st
arted sooner rather than later. I find wisdom in hearing from  >   >  the  >   >   >>>   >>>   >  delegates on this. My state chairs are, almost entirely, saying  >   >  to  >   >   >>>  not  >   >   >>>   >>>   >  approve a third venue. Absent a poll of delegates, I intend to  >   >   >>>   >>>  represent  >   >   >>>   >>>   >  their opinion and trust that they are representing their  >   >  delegates  >   >   >>>  to  >   >   >>>   >>>  me. I  >   >   >>>   >>>   >  cannot poll everyone in the region myself at this point, let  >   >  alone  >   >   >>>  have  >   >   >>>   >>>   >  contact info for all of the delegates for speedy communication.  >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >   >>>   >>>   >  Richard Longstreth  >   >   >>>   >>>   >  Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT,  >  WA,  >   >  WY)  >   >   >>>   >>>   >  Libertarian National Committee  >   >   >>>   >>>   >  richard.longstreth at lp.org  >   >   >>>   >>>   >  931.538.9300  >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >  
 >   >>>   >>>   >  Sent from my Mobile Device  >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >   >>>   >>>   >  On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 20:51 Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business  <   >   >   >>>   >>>   >  lnc-business at hq.lp.org>  wrote:  >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>  As far as wording that is not my call. But bad wording will  >   >  kill  >   >   >>>  the  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>  entire usefulness.  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>  On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 9:50 PM Caryn Ann Harlos  <   >   >   >>>   >>>  caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>  wrote:  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >  The poll should be only those credentialed at the Sunday  >   >  session  >   >   >>>  of  >   >   >>>   >>>  the  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >  first part of the convention.  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >  They made a decision.  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >  On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 
6:54 PM Daniel Fishman  <   >   >   >>>  dan.fishman at lphq.org>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >  wrote:  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>  Would you like me to poll all current members? All  >   >  delegates?  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>  What would you like the wording to be?  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>  ---  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>  Daniel Fishman  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>  Executive Director  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>  The Libertarian Party  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>  Join Us  <http://www.lp.org/join>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>  On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 7:54 PM Caryn Ann Harlos via  >   >   >>>  Lnc-business  <   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>  lnc-business at hq.lp.org>  wrote:  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>  Mr Hagan apologies if I was hasty though I do think in  >  this  >   >   >>>   >>>  rapidly  >   >   >>>   >
>>   >>   >>>  changing situation we must be checking our emails hourly.  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>  My proposal is to poll only the delegates we are seeking  >  to  >   >   >>>   >>>  overturn.  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>  Those credentialed at the session that voted for the in  >   >  person  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>  convention.  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>  On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 5:19 PM Richard Longstreth via  >   >   >>>   >>>  Lnc-business  <   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>  lnc-business at hq.lp.org>  wrote:  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >  I am supportive.  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >  Richard Longstreth  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >  Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR,  >   >  UT,  >   >   >>>  WA,  >   >   >>>   >>>  WY)  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >  Libertarian National Committee  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>
   >>>   >  richard.longstreth at lp.org  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >  931.538.9300  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >  Sent from my Mobile Device  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >  On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 15:37 Tim Hagan via Lnc-business  <   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >  lnc-business at hq.lp.org>  wrote:  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >  You shouldn't interpret silence as disapproval. Some  >   >  people  >   >   >>>   >>>  aren't  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >  constantly checking their e-mails, could be working,  >  or  >   >   >>>  still  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>  processing  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >  this news thrown at us last night and have questions.  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >  I don't have a problem with taking a poll, unless if  >   >  we're  >   >   >>>   >>>  going  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>  
to  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >  waste time arguing over the wording or who gets polled  >   >   >>>  (e.g.  >   >   >>>   >>>  all  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >  delegates, delegates  &  alternates credentialed in May,  >   >   >>>  etc.).  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >  ---  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >  Tim Hagan  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >  Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >  On 2020-06-30 14:20, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business  >   >   >>>  wrote:  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >  A poll could have already gone out from the national  >   >   >>>  office.  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>  Yet  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >  except  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >  for you - silence on this post.  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >  That is wrong. A
re we scared of what they might  >   >  say? I  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>  actually  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>  think  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >  they might have changed their mind, but I need to  >   >  know  >   >   >>>  that  >   >   >>>   >>>  for  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>  sure.  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >  * In Liberty,*  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >  * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as  >   >   >>>   >>>  Asperger's  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>  Syndrome  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >  (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect  >   >   >>>   >>>  inter-personal  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >  communication skills in both personal and electronic  >   >   >>>   >>>  arenas. If  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>  anyone  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >  found anyt
hing offensive or overly off-putting (or  >   >  some  >   >   >>>   >>>  other  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>  social  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >  faux  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >  pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately  >   >  and  >   >   >>>  let  >   >   >>>   >>>  me  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>  know.  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >  *  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >  On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 1:05 PM  <   >  john.phillips at lp.org>   >   >   >   >   >>>   >>>  wrote:  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>  Agreed. I am informally polling my region, but  >  that  >   >  is  >   >   >>>   >>>  just  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>  one  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>  region.  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>  John Phillips  >   >   >>>
   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>  Libertarian National Committee Region 6  >   >  Representative  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>  Cell 217-412-5973  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>  On Jun 30, 2020 1:26 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via  >   >   >>>  Lnc-business  >   >   >>>   >>>   <   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>  lnc-business at hq.lp.org>  wrote:  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>  Here is something we all need to take seriously.  >   >  The  >   >   >>>   >>>  delegates  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>  voted  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>  for  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>  an in person convention. I don't really think we  >   >  have  >   >   >>>  the  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>  right  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>  to  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>  cancel  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>  if we have a location which we d
o. It is usurping  >   >  their  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>  decision.  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>  But  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>  they may think differently now. Can we poll them  >  so  >   >  we  >   >   >>>   >>>  know  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>  what  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>  we  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>  should  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>  do? This isn't about us. It is about particular  >   >  state  >   >   >>>   >>>  chairs  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>  in  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>  particular regions. It is about the delegate that  >   >  gave  >   >   >>>  us  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>  specific  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>  marching orders. Can we find out what THEY want?  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>  * In Liberty,*  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>  * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as  >   >   >>>   >>
>  Asperger's  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>  Syndrome  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>  (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect  >   >   >>>   >>>  inter-personal  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>  communication skills in both personal and  >  electronic  >   >   >>>   >>>  arenas.  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>  If  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>  anyone  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>  found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or  >   >  some  >   >   >>>   >>>  other  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>  social  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>  faux  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>  pas) in an actual email, please contact me  >  privately  >   >  and  >   >   >>>   >>>  let me  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>  know.  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>  *  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   > 
  >   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>  --  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>  *In Liberty,*  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>  * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as  >   >  Asperger's  >   >   >>>   >>>  Syndrome  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>  (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect  >   >  inter-personal  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>  communication skills in both personal and electronic  >   >  arenas.  >   >   >>>  If  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>  anyone  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>  found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some  >   >  other  >   >   >>>   >>>  social  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>  faux  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>  pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>  --  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >  *In Liberty,*  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >  * 
Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as  >  Asperger's  >   >   >>>   >>>  Syndrome  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >  (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect  >   >  inter-personal  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >  communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  >   >  If  >   >   >>>   >>>  anyone  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >  found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some  >  other  >   >   >>>  social  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>  faux  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >  pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >  --  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>  *In Liberty,*  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>  * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's  >   >   >>>  Syndrome  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>  (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>  communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  >   >  If  >   >  
 >>>   >>>  anyone  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>  found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other  >   >   >>>  social  >   >   >>>   >>>  faux  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>  pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>  On Jul 1, 2020 12:33 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos  <   >  caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>   >   >   >   >   >>>   >>>  wrote:  >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>  I do not agree with that wording. It does not answer for me the  >   >   >>>   >>>  question that needs to be answered.  >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>  And frankly it is too late. Imagine if we spent this time doing  >   >   >>>   >>>  something productive.  >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>  *In Liberty,*  >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>  * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's  >   >   >>>   >>>  Syndrome  >   >   >>>   >>>
  (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal  >   >   >>>   >>>  communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If  >   >   >>>   >>>  anyone  >   >   >>>   >>>  found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other  >   >  social  >   >   >>>   >>>  faux  >   >   >>>   >>>  pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *  >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>  On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 11:05 AM  <john.phillips at lp.org>  wrote:  >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>  Oh for the love of god can we just do the poll.  >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>  Poll the delegates from Memorial day weekend.  >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>  Ask them very simply:  >   >   >>>   >>>  Would you vote to have an in person convention in Orlando July  >  8th  >   >   >>>   >>>  thru  >   >   >>>   >>>  12th.  >   >   >>>   >>>  Yes, No, Nota.  >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>  At this point it wont matter wi
th the screwing around going on as  >   >  we  >   >   >>>   >>>  won't be able to meet in time to cancel even if they all vote to  >   >  do  >   >   >>>   >>>  so, but  >   >   >>>   >>>  lets do the damn poll so we at least know how bad it is.  >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>  John Phillips  >   >   >>>   >>>  Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative  >   >   >>>   >>>  Cell 217-412-5973  >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>  On Jul 1, 2020 11:46 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business  <   >   >   >>>   >>>  lnc-business at hq.lp.org>  wrote:  >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>  Are you weighting the state chairs according to the number of  >   >   >>>   >>>  delegates?  >   >   >>>   >>>  If not, it is not representative. Colorado has significantly  >  more  >   >   >>>   >>>  delegates than other states. You cannot use the state chairs as  >   >   >>>   >>>  representing delegates without that calculation.  >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>  It is too lat
e. I asked for this poll early yesterday. It is  >   >   >>>   >>>  absolutely  >   >   >>>   >>>  unethical at this point to turn people's lives upside down when  >  we  >   >   >>>   >>>  have a  >   >   >>>   >>>  location.  >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>  I have not agreed with a lot of the criticisms of this body -  >   >  there  >   >   >>>   >>>  has  >   >   >>>   >>>  been shady business going on and we were dealt a bad hand. If we  >   >   >>>   >>>  cancel  >   >   >>>   >>>  when we have a location over the will of delegates at convention,  >   >   >>>   >>>  this  >   >   >>>   >>>  body  >   >   >>>   >>>  has no business being anywhere near leadership. It is wrong, and  >   >  it  >   >   >>>   >>>  is  >   >   >>>   >>>  robbing people who spent money and a violation of the principle  >  of  >   >   >>>   >>>  the  >   >   >>>   >>>  non-initiation of force.  >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >  
 >   >>>   >>>  *In Liberty,*  >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>  * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's  >   >   >>>   >>>  Syndrome  >   >   >>>   >>>  (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal  >   >   >>>   >>>  communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If  >   >   >>>   >>>  anyone  >   >   >>>   >>>  found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other  >   >  social  >   >   >>>   >>>  faux  >   >   >>>   >>>  pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *  >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>  On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 9:15 AM Richard Longstreth  <   >   >   >>>   >>>  richard.longstreth at lp.org>   >   >   >>>   >>>  wrote:  >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >  I'm not good with wording polls but if someone is, I'd like to  >   >  get  >   >   >>>  this  >   >   >>>   >>>   >  started sooner rather than later. I find wisdom in hearing from  >   >  the  > 
  >   >>>   >>>   >  delegates on this. My state chairs are, almost entirely, saying  >   >  to  >   >   >>>  not  >   >   >>>   >>>   >  approve a third venue. Absent a poll of delegates, I intend to  >   >   >>>   >>>  represent  >   >   >>>   >>>   >  their opinion and trust that they are representing their  >   >  delegates  >   >   >>>  to  >   >   >>>   >>>  me. I  >   >   >>>   >>>   >  cannot poll everyone in the region myself at this point, let  >   >  alone  >   >   >>>  have  >   >   >>>   >>>   >  contact info for all of the delegates for speedy communication.  >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >   >>>   >>>   >  Richard Longstreth  >   >   >>>   >>>   >  Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT,  >  WA,  >   >  WY)  >   >   >>>   >>>   >  Libertarian National Committee  >   >   >>>   >>>   >  richard.longstreth at lp.org  >   >   >>>   >>>   >  931.538.9300  >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >   >>>   >>>   >  Sent from my Mobile Device  >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >
   >>>   >>>   >  On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 20:51 Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business  <   >   >   >>>   >>>   >  lnc-business at hq.lp.org>  wrote:  >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>  As far as wording that is not my call. But bad wording will  >   >  kill  >   >   >>>  the  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>  entire usefulness.  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>  On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 9:50 PM Caryn Ann Harlos  <   >   >   >>>   >>>  caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>  wrote:  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >  The poll should be only those credentialed at the Sunday  >   >  session  >   >   >>>  of  >   >   >>>   >>>  the  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >  first part of the convention.  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >  They made a decision.  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >  On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 6:54 PM Daniel Fishman  <   >   >   >>>  dan.fishman at lphq.org>   >   >   >>> 
  >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >  wrote:  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>  Would you like me to poll all current members? All  >   >  delegates?  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>  What would you like the wording to be?  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>  ---  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>  Daniel Fishman  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>  Executive Director  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>  The Libertarian Party  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>  Join Us  <http://www.lp.org/join>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>  On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 7:54 PM Caryn Ann Harlos via  >   >   >>>  Lnc-business  <   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>  lnc-business at hq.lp.org>  wrote:  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>  Mr Hagan apologies if I was hasty though I do think in  >  this  >   >   >>>   >>>  rapidly  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>  changing situation we must be checking our emails hourly.  >  
 >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>  My proposal is to poll only the delegates we are seeking  >  to  >   >   >>>   >>>  overturn.  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>  Those credentialed at the session that voted for the in  >   >  person  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>  convention.  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>  On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 5:19 PM Richard Longstreth via  >   >   >>>   >>>  Lnc-business  <   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>  lnc-business at hq.lp.org>  wrote:  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >  I am supportive.  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >  Richard Longstreth  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >  Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR,  >   >  UT,  >   >   >>>  WA,  >   >   >>>   >>>  WY)  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >  Libertarian National Committee  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >  richard.longstreth at lp.org  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >  931.
538.9300  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >  Sent from my Mobile Device  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >  On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 15:37 Tim Hagan via Lnc-business  <   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >  lnc-business at hq.lp.org>  wrote:  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >  You shouldn't interpret silence as disapproval. Some  >   >  people  >   >   >>>   >>>  aren't  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >  constantly checking their e-mails, could be working,  >  or  >   >   >>>  still  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>  processing  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >  this news thrown at us last night and have questions.  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >  I don't have a problem with taking a poll, unless if  >   >  we're  >   >   >>>   >>>  going  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>  to  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >  waste time arguing over the wording
 or who gets polled  >   >   >>>  (e.g.  >   >   >>>   >>>  all  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >  delegates, delegates  &  alternates credentialed in May,  >   >   >>>  etc.).  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >  ---  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >  Tim Hagan  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >  Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >  On 2020-06-30 14:20, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business  >   >   >>>  wrote:  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >  A poll could have already gone out from the national  >   >   >>>  office.  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>  Yet  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >  except  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >  for you - silence on this post.  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >  That is wrong. Are we scared of what they might  >   >  say? I  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>  actua
lly  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>  think  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >  they might have changed their mind, but I need to  >   >  know  >   >   >>>  that  >   >   >>>   >>>  for  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>  sure.  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >  * In Liberty,*  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >  * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as  >   >   >>>   >>>  Asperger's  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>  Syndrome  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >  (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect  >   >   >>>   >>>  inter-personal  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >  communication skills in both personal and electronic  >   >   >>>   >>>  arenas. If  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>  anyone  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >  found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or  >   >  some  >   >   >>>   >>>  oth
er  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>  social  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >  faux  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >  pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately  >   >  and  >   >   >>>  let  >   >   >>>   >>>  me  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>  know.  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >  *  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >  On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 1:05 PM  <   >  john.phillips at lp.org>   >   >   >   >   >>>   >>>  wrote:  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>  Agreed. I am informally polling my region, but  >  that  >   >  is  >   >   >>>   >>>  just  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>  one  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>  region.  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>  John Phillips  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>  Libertarian National Committee Region 6  >   
>  Representative  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>  Cell 217-412-5973  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>  On Jun 30, 2020 1:26 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via  >   >   >>>  Lnc-business  >   >   >>>   >>>   <   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>  lnc-business at hq.lp.org>  wrote:  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>  Here is something we all need to take seriously.  >   >  The  >   >   >>>   >>>  delegates  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>  voted  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>  for  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>  an in person convention. I don't really think we  >   >  have  >   >   >>>  the  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>  right  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>  to  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>  cancel  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>  if we have a location which we do. It is usurping  >   >  their  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>  decision.  >   >   >
>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>  But  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>  they may think differently now. Can we poll them  >  so  >   >  we  >   >   >>>   >>>  know  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>  what  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>  we  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>  should  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>  do? This isn't about us. It is about particular  >   >  state  >   >   >>>   >>>  chairs  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>  in  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>  particular regions. It is about the delegate that  >   >  gave  >   >   >>>  us  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>  specific  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>  marching orders. Can we find out what THEY want?  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>  * In Liberty,*  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>  * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as  >   >   >>>   >>>  Asperger's  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>  Syndrome  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>
   >>>   >   >   >>  (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect  >   >   >>>   >>>  inter-personal  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>  communication skills in both personal and  >  electronic  >   >   >>>   >>>  arenas.  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>  If  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>  anyone  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>  found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or  >   >  some  >   >   >>>   >>>  other  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>  social  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>  faux  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>  pas) in an actual email, please contact me  >  privately  >   >  and  >   >   >>>   >>>  let me  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>  know.  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>  *  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>  --  > 
  >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>  *In Liberty,*  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>  * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as  >   >  Asperger's  >   >   >>>   >>>  Syndrome  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>  (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect  >   >  inter-personal  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>  communication skills in both personal and electronic  >   >  arenas.  >   >   >>>  If  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>  anyone  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>  found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some  >   >  other  >   >   >>>   >>>  social  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>  faux  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>  pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >>  --  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >  *In Liberty,*  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >  * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as  >  Asperger's  >   >   >>>  
 >>>  Syndrome  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >  (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect  >   >  inter-personal  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >  communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  >   >  If  >   >   >>>   >>>  anyone  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >  found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some  >  other  >   >   >>>  social  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>  faux  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >  pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >  --  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>  *In Liberty,*  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >>  * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's  >   >   >>>  Syndrome  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>  (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>  communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  >   >  If  >   >   >>>   >>>  anyone  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>  found anything offensive or overl
y off-putting (or some other  >   >   >>>  social  >   >   >>>   >>>  faux  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>  pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *  >   >   >>>   >>>   >>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >>>   >   >   >>>   >   >   >>   >   >   >   >  Just delegates or delegates and alternates?  >   >  --  >   >  Rich Bowen  >   >  LNC Region 8 Alternate  >   >  NJ/NY/CT/RI/MA/VT/NH/ME  >   >   >   >   >   >   >   >   >   >   >  
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