[Lnc-business] Tuesday’s excomm

[Caryn Ann Harlos]

Never spoke for everyone Mr Longstreth but you sure seem more concerned
about me than issues at hand.

Mr Moellman I’d like to invite him proactively but would like the chair’s
consent.

On Mon, Jun 14, 2021 at 5:17 PM Ken Moellman <ken.moellman at lp.org> wrote:

> While it is generally within the prerogative of the body to remove the
> presiding officer, per RONR, I have not yet seen any cause for this action.
>
> We can address the need, if it arises, on the particular call (EC or LNC).
> If you believe it is likely, it may be wise to invite Dr Lark
> pre-emptively.  I have immense respect for him, and would vote in favor IF
> the need arises. I would hope the rest of the body would as well.
>
> Speaking of the EC meeting, I want to be sure screen sharing is set up and
> that I will be able to present a few documents. I am hopeful that it may
> lead to resolution of this matter tomorrow evening, or by EOD Saturday.
>
> Ken
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 14, 2021, 15:39 Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
>> Ms Harlos. You do not speak for everyone. It was a general statement put
>> out to us all. Each can determine their own thoughts and say what they
>> want
>> for themselves. You are beginning to develop this habit of speaking for
>> others or implying motives or intents and it has to stop. No response was
>> needed by anyone until the ExComm meeting, if questioned.
>>
>> Richard Longstreth
>> At Large Representative
>> Libertarian National Committee
>> richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 931.538.9300
>>
>> Sent from my Mobile Device
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 14, 2021, 12:35 Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > No one has.
>> >
>> > *  In Liberty,*
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jun 14, 2021 at 4:15 AM Richard Longstreth <
>> > richard.longstreth at lp.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Do not put words into my mouth. I am specifically asking that if
>> someone
>> >> has made up their mind on this without any sort of investigation, they
>> >> should be forthright with that. Being open to debate is obviously not
>> the
>> >> same thing.
>> >>
>> >> Richard Longstreth
>> >> At Large Representative
>> >> Libertarian National Committee
>> >> richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> >> 931.538.9300
>> >>
>> >> Sent from my Mobile Device
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Jun 14, 2021, 04:27 Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com
>> >
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Having an opinion already is not a reason for recusal.  That is utter
>> >>> nonsense.  Particularly when all opinions are open for revision in
>> debate
>> >>> or with further information.  I bet JBH has an opinion.  I am shocked
>> to
>> >>> hear you think he should recuse himself.  I don't.
>> >>>
>> >>> *  In Liberty,*
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>
>
>> >>> On Mon, Jun 14, 2021 at 3:25 AM Caryn Ann Harlos <
>> >>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> No one is asking for a recusal.  This is standard RONR and required
>> by
>> >>>> RONR and a practice JBH has regularly followed for motions.  I am
>> sure the
>> >>>> Party Parliamentarian would be glad to advise the EC on this.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> *  In Liberty,*
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Mon, Jun 14, 2021 at 2:40 AM Richard Longstreth <
>> >>>> richard.longstreth at lp.org> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> I leave that to the chair prerogative and do not join that call. I
>> >>>>> have not seen a conflict of interest arise in his comments and a
>> chair is
>> >>>>> allowed to indulge the body with his thoughts provided they do not
>> cross a
>> >>>>> line into debate. We can obtain his viewpoint and explanation and
>> his
>> >>>>> integrity as chair does not need be compromised.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Only someone who has already drawn conclusions or is receiving some
>> >>>>> sort of benefit from the situation (financial or otherwise) should
>> recuse
>> >>>>> themselves from participation lest we appear to be a kangaroo court
>> of
>> >>>>> sorts. If that is any member of the ExComm I would expect them to
>> >>>>> professionally declare so prior to beginning our meeting tomorrow.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Richard Longstreth
>> >>>>> At Large Representative
>> >>>>> Libertarian National Committee
>> >>>>> richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> >>>>> 931.538.9300
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Sent from my Mobile Device
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Mon, Jun 14, 2021, 02:55 Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
>> >>>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> I put it on the LNC list for transparency purposes.  Another case
>> of
>> >>>>>> no
>> >>>>>> matter what I do certain people will want to villify it so I do
>> what I
>> >>>>>> think is right.  I do find it delicious how there is never any call
>> >>>>>> for
>> >>>>>> slow deliberation when it comes to attacking me.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> *  In Liberty,*
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On Mon, Jun 14, 2021 at 12:37 AM Francis Wendt <
>> francis.wendt at lp.org>
>> >>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> > This seems to be on the business list, thus a matter put before
>> the
>> >>>>>> LNC.
>> >>>>>> > You should have put it on the excom list if that is who it was
>> >>>>>> intended for.
>> >>>>>> >
>> >>>>>> > Francis Wendt
>> >>>>>> > LNC Region 1 Representative
>> >>>>>> >
>> >>>>>> > ------------------------------
>> >>>>>> > *From:* Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
>> >>>>>> > *Sent:* Monday, June 14, 2021 12:34:03 AM
>> >>>>>> > *To:* Francis Wendt <francis.wendt at lp.org>
>> >>>>>> > *Cc:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org <lnc-business at hq.lp.org>
>> >>>>>> > *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] Tuesday’s excomm
>> >>>>>> >
>> >>>>>> > Further this is a request to the voting members of the ex comm.
>> I
>> >>>>>> could
>> >>>>>> > have just put this on the EC list but did not.  But you quite
>> >>>>>> literally
>> >>>>>> > have no vote here.
>> >>>>>> >
>> >>>>>> > On Mon, Jun 14, 2021 at 12:32 AM Caryn Ann Harlos <
>> >>>>>> > carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>> >
>> >>>>>> > This is line with RONR and my right.  Are we denying member
>> rights
>> >>>>>> now?
>> >>>>>> >
>> >>>>>> > This is the proper course. I suggest you talk to a
>> parliamentarian.
>> >>>>>> >
>> >>>>>> > On Mon, Jun 14, 2021 at 12:17 AM Francis Wendt <
>> >>>>>> francis.wendt at lp.org>
>> >>>>>> > wrote:
>> >>>>>> >
>> >>>>>> > This is highly improper and not in line with the policy manual.
>> Are
>> >>>>>> we
>> >>>>>> > literally making up up rules as we go?
>> >>>>>> >
>> >>>>>> > This is starting to look very very bad. LPNH falling to pieces
>> is no
>> >>>>>> > reason for us to do the same. In my brief absence it seems as if
>> we
>> >>>>>> just
>> >>>>>> > threw the policy manual out the window.
>> >>>>>> >
>> >>>>>> > Francis Wendt
>> >>>>>> > LNC Region 1 Representative
>> >>>>>> >
>> >>>>>> > ------------------------------
>> >>>>>> > *From:* Lnc-business <lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org> on behalf
>> of
>> >>>>>> Caryn
>> >>>>>> > Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <lnc-business at hq.lp.org>
>> >>>>>> > *Sent:* Monday, June 14, 2021 12:10:20 AM
>> >>>>>> > *To:* Libertarian National Committee list <
>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org>
>> >>>>>> > *Cc:* Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
>> >>>>>> > *Subject:* [Lnc-business] Tuesday’s excomm
>> >>>>>> >
>> >>>>>> > I am asking the chair to not preside as his conduct is a main
>> issue
>> >>>>>> of
>> >>>>>> > contention and for a chair pro tem for that meeting be appointed
>> >>>>>> (which per
>> >>>>>> > RONR will need approval from the body).  The chair pro tem need
>> not
>> >>>>>> be an
>> >>>>>> > LNC member.  I recommend Dr Lark.--
>> >>>>>> >
>> >>>>>> > *  In Liberty,*
>> >>>>>> >
>> >>>>>> > --
>> >>>>>> >
>> >>>>>> > *  In Liberty,*
>> >>>>>> >
>> >>>>>> >
>> >>>>>> > --
>> >>>>>> >
>> >>>>>> > *  In Liberty,*
>> >>>>>> >
>> >>>>>> >
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>>
> --

*  In Liberty,*