<div dir="ltr">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">I like
some (but not all) of the suggested changes I’ve heard, and hence have a new
draft motion (see below). Deletions and additions are shown by strike-throughs
and underscores.<span style> </span>I’ve also interspersed
my comments within the text in <span style="color:rgb(255,0,0)"><i style>[square brackets]</i></span>;
those comments are NOT part of the proposal.<span style>
</span>I’ll have a cleaned-up version available for the meeting.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""><br></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Dan Wiener</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal"><b><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> </span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal"><b><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Pursuant to Article 13 of the LP
Bylaws, the LNC and all committees of the national party may conduct meetings
via videoconference or teleconference (“e-conference”) according to the
following rules: </span></b><span style="color:rgb(255,0,0)"><i style><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">[I don’t think that other
committees should be allowed to adopt alternate rules which contradict
these rules.<span style> </span>That violates the intention
of the new Bylaw which the national convention just adopted.]</span></i></span><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> </span></p>
<ul type="disc"><li class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal"><b><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">For videoconferences, it is the responsibility of
committee members to provide their own compatible equipment. <s>In
the temporary absence of the necessary equipment, or in the case of
technical difficulties,</s> A committee member must be allowed <u>the
option </u>to participate by teleconference <u>only</u>.<span style> </span></span></b><span style="color:rgb(255,0,0)"><i style><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">[I concede
that members should not be required to obtain videoconferencing equipment,
but may participate by teleconference only.]</span></i></span><b><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""><span style><span style="color:rgb(255,0,0)"> </span> </span>To the extent
that it is technically <u>and financially practical</u> </span></b><b><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""></span><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""><b><s><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">feasible</span></s></b>, meetings shall be
open to all <s>Libertarian Party sustaining members</s> people to listen
in on <u>and view</u>.<span style> </span></span></b><i style><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""><span style="color:rgb(255,0,0)">[If we’re going to archive and post the
recordings anyway, we might as well stream them in real time.<span style> </span>However, bandwidth considerations
(including cost) might limit that, especially for video.]</span><span style> </span></span></i><b><u><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Five
minutes shall be made available for public comments at the beginning of
the meeting and also at the end of the meeting, but non-committee</span></u></b><b><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> <s>but those </s>members must first identify
themselves and their phone numbers to the person acting as secretary<s style>, and their status must be verifie</s>d
prior to the meeting.<span style> </span></span></b><span style="color:rgb(255,0,0)"><i style><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">[The secretary shouldn’t have to deal with this
added hassle while the meeting is in progress.<span style> </span>The ID information is required so that a
non-member’s phone can be blocked out if necessary to avoid meeting disruptions
and during Executive Sessions.]</span></i></span><b><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">
By a majority vote a committee may allow a non-committee member to
participate <u>in the meeting</u> on a limited basis.</span></b><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""></span></li></ul>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal"><b><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> </span></b><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""></span></p>
<ul type="disc"><li class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal"><b><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Either the committee chair or one-third of the
committee members may call for an e-conference. <s>A minimum of
seven (7) days</s> Notice for such a meeting, along with the agenda, shall
be provided to all committee members by email, and shall also be reposted
on the LNC-Business list, <u>a minimum of seven days ahead of time</u>.<span style> </span></span></b><font><span style="color:rgb(255,0,0)"><i><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">[I’ve
rearranged the wording of the last sentence for clarity.]</span></i></span></font><b><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""><font><span style="color:rgb(255,0,0)"> </span></font> No item of business may be placed on or added to
the agenda unless all committee members have access to the same supporting
documentation.</span></b><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""></span></li></ul>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal"><b><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> </span></b><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""></span></p>
<ul type="disc"><li class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal"><b><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Participants must try to eliminate background noise,
including radio, television, traffic, appliances, and side conversations,
as well as call waiting for those who have it. A participants shall not
place a telephone on hold if the system has music or messages playing
while in that mode. </span></b><b><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""></span><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""><b><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Failure
to <s>do</s> <u>comply with</u> any of the above</span></b>, or to otherwise
mute the sound when a participant isn’t talking, shall be grounds for
dropping the participant from the e-conference, <u>but that participant
shall be allowed to reconnect if the problem is corrected</u>.</span></b><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""></span></li></ul>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal"><b><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> </span></b><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""></span></p>
<ul type="disc"><li class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal"><b><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Each committee member shall be given an opportunity to
speak at least once on each agenda item, but a member may defer until
others have had an opportunity to speak. If the technical means are
available, members may signal to the committee chair their desire to
speak. The committee chair may choose the order to call on
members. The default time limit for each speaker shall be three
minutes, but a different limit, applicable equally to all speakers, may be
specified either in the agenda material prior to the meeting or by a majority
of the committee. An individual speaker’s time may be extended by
unanimous consent. Seconding a motion and similar parliamentary
matters shall not require recognition, and shall not deprive a member of
the opportunity to speak substantively on an agenda item. </span></b><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""></span></li></ul>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal"><b><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> </span></b><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""></span></p>
<ul type="disc"><li class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal"><b><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">The chair may choose a voting method which will clearly
and efficiently determine the outcome. In cases where a roll call
vote is required, it shall be sufficient if the voting method can
accurately identify how each committee member voted and allow that
information to be recorded.</span></b><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""></span></li></ul>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal"><b><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> </span></b><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""></span></p>
<ul type="disc"><li class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal"><b><s><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">A person (normally the Party Secretary in the case of
an LNC or Executive Committee meeting) shall be appointed to perform the
secretarial function who is not also the person chairing the meeting.</span></s></b><b><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""><span style> </span></span></b><span style="color:rgb(255,0,0)"><i style><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">[I agree that this bullet point is sufficiently covered by
RONR and can therefore be deleted.]</span></i></span><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""></span></li></ul>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal"><b><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> </span></b><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""></span></p>
<ul type="disc"><li class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal"><b><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Barring technical difficulties and excepting Executive
Sessions, e-conferences shall be recorded. The audio (and, if
practical, the video) shall be archived and linked to on the LP
website. All individuals attending an e-conference must agree to be
so </span></b><b><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""></span><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""><b><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">recorded,<span style="color:rgb(255,0,0)">
</span></span></b></span></b><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""><span style="color:rgb(255,0,0)"><i style><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">[this is important since
many state laws require two-party consent for recording telephone calls]</span></i></span><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""></span></span><b><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""><b><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> and </span></b>also agree not to record and not to divulge the contents
of Executive Sessions unless the committee allows it by unanimous
consent. Individuals who do not agree to these conditions shall be
excluded from the e-conference.</span></b><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""></span></li></ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Joshua Katz <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:planning4liberty@gmail.com" target="_blank">planning4liberty@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><p style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.3333339691162px">Here is my idea for a substitute, for your consideration (should you choose to read it.)</p><p style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.3333339691162px"><b><br></b></p><p style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.3333339691162px"><b>Pursuant to Article 13 of the LP Bylaws, the LNC</b><b style="font-size:13.3333339691162px"> may conduct <span>meetings</span> via videoconference or teleconference (“e-conference”) according to the following rules, and all committees of the national party may conduct meetings via videoconference or teleconference according to the following rules, or to alternative rules adopted by the particular committee:</b></p><p style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.3333339691162px"><b><br></b></p><p style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.3333339691162px"></p><p style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.3333339691162px"></p><ul style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.3333339691162px"><li style="margin-left:15px"><b>For videoconferences, it is the responsibility of committee member to provide their own compatible equipment. In the absence of the necessary equipment, or in the case of technical difficulties, a committee member must be allowed to participate by teleconference. To the extent that it is technically feasible, <span>meetings</span> shall be open to all people to listen in on and view. Any member of the Party may speak during designated times for public comment, or may request to provide comment at other times, but those members must first identify themselves and their phone numbers to the person acting as secretary, and their status must be verified prior to the <span>meeting</span>. Such requests shall require a majority vote for approval. Repeated requests after negative votes will be deemed dilatory by the presiding officer. Five minutes at the start of the meeting, and five minutes at the conclusion of each meeting, shall be designated for public comment.</b></li></ul><p style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.3333339691162px"></p><p style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.3333339691162px"><b> </b></p><p style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.3333339691162px"></p><ul style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.3333339691162px"><li style="margin-left:15px"><b>Either the committee chair or one-third of the committee members may call for an e-conference. A minimum of seven (7) days prior to such a meeting, notice, including the agenda, shall be provided to all committee members by email, and shall also be reposted on the LNC-Business list, also a minimum of 7 days prior to such a meeting. No item of business may be placed on or added to the agenda unless all committee members have access to the same supporting documentation. No commitments may be made on any items not included in the agenda included with the notice.</b></li></ul><p style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.3333339691162px"></p><p style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.3333339691162px"><b> </b></p><p style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.3333339691162px"></p><ul style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.3333339691162px"><li style="margin-left:15px"><b>Participants must try to eliminate background noise, including radio, television, traffic, appliances, and side conversations, as well as call waiting for those who have it. A participants shall not place a telephone on hold if the system has music or messages playing while in that mode. Failure to do any of the above, or to otherwise mute the sound when a participant isn’t talking, shall be grounds for dropping the participant from the e-conference. If a participant is dropped, the presiding officer shall inform the body of the action taken and the reasons as soon as possible. Should the participant attempt to reconnect, they will be permitted to do so, assuming the problem has been corrected.</b></li></ul><p style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.3333339691162px"></p><p style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.3333339691162px"><b> </b></p><p style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.3333339691162px"></p><ul style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.3333339691162px"><li style="margin-left:15px"><b>Each participant shall have the opportunity to speak twice, for three minutes at each opportunity, on each motion. A different limit on debate, applicable equally to all participants, may be specified in the agenda. Except where contradicted by applicable statute, the bylaws, or these rules, all rules of order as followed at meetings of the committee (including special rules of order and rules in the parliamentary authority adopted by the committee,) shall be followed. Only main motions (original or incidental) shall require recognition by the chair. Roll call votes, when required by applicable rules of order, shall be held either by vocal roll call, or by a means chosen by the chair that adequately provides for the recording of each individual's vote.</b></li></ul><span class=""><p style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.3333339691162px"></p><p style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.3333339691162px"><b> </b><b style="font-size:13.3333339691162px"> </b></p><p style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.3333339691162px"></p><ul style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.3333339691162px"><li style="margin-left:15px"><b>Barring technical difficulties and excepting Executive Sessions, e-conferences shall be recorded. The audio (and, if practical, the video) shall be archived and linked to on the LP website. All individuals attending an e-conference must agree to be so recorded, and also agree not to record and not to divulge the contents of Executive Sessions unless the committee allows it by unanimous consent. Individuals who do not agree to these conditions shall be excluded from the e-conference.</b></li></ul></span><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div><font face="arial, sans-serif">Joshua Katz</font></div></font></span></div><div class="gmail_extra"><span class=""><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr">Joshua A. Katz<div>Westbrook CT Planning Commission (L in R seat)</div></div></div>
<br></span><div><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 3:51 PM, Joshua Katz <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:planning4liberty@gmail.com" target="_blank">planning4liberty@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">I agree, and Dr. Lieberman raises a good point. When we hold virtual meetings for the state committee in CT, I require all motions be given to the secretary in writing - by email if a member has called in, or by text if they are on the computer. A document sharing program would also work. It might be a good idea to put that rule in place directly - all motions are to be delivered to the secretary in writing. <div><br></div><div>I'd point out that nothing in the bylaw change, or these rules, requires us to hold distance meetings. I do probably see more value in them than Dr. Lieberman does. </div><span><font color="#888888"><div><br></div><div>Joshua Katz</div></font></span></div><div class="gmail_extra"><span><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr">Joshua A. Katz<div>Westbrook CT Planning Commission (L in R seat)</div></div></div>
<br></span><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div>On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 3:47 PM, Scott L. <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:scott73@earthlink.net" target="_blank">scott73@earthlink.net</a>></span> wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div>
<div link="blue" vlink="blue" lang="EN-US">
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="1"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="1"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">“</span></font><font face="Arial" size="1"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial">6. I am not sure what to make
of "temporary absence." Suppose a member of the committee
doesn't buy, and has no plan to buy, a webcam, and wishes to participate by
telephone. Certainly such an absence of webcam is not temporary - but it
also can't rightly be called permanent, as it is certainly a situation that may
well be remedied - in fact, it can be remedied without intent if they purchase
a Chromebook, new laptop, etc. Why not just say that it's alright to
participate by phone? (In fact, I question the need to hold any video
conference meetings, above and beyond phone meetings. Why do you need to
see my living room, and my pajamas?)<font color="black"><span style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></font></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="1"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="1"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black"> </span></font><font face="Arial" size="1"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial">Joshua Katz<font color="black"><span style="color:black">”<u></u><u></u></span></font></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="1"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Verdana"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Verdana"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Verdana"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black">Exactly.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Verdana"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Verdana"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black">It is not important
for LNC Reps and our members to see our faces frown at stupidly worded motions,
or smile when our side prevails in a vote. OTOH, having correctly working document
sharing during a videoconference meeting would be helpful.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Verdana"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Verdana"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black">Using document
sharing, LNC members could see written versions of the pending motions, and see
any written graphs or charts that staff or members feel we need to see.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Verdana"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Verdana"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black">Please do not take my
suggestions as an endorsement of videoconference meetings. I consider my
suggestions to be a form of harm reduction.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Verdana"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Verdana"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black"> Scott Lieberman<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Verdana"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<br></div></div><span>_______________________________________________<br>
Lnc-business mailing list<br>
<a href="mailto:Lnc-business@hq.lp.org" target="_blank">Lnc-business@hq.lp.org</a><br>
<a href="http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org" target="_blank">http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org</a><br>
<br></span></blockquote></div><br></div>
</blockquote></div><br></div></div></div>
<br>_______________________________________________<br>
Lnc-business mailing list<br>
<a href="mailto:Lnc-business@hq.lp.org">Lnc-business@hq.lp.org</a><br>
<a href="http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org" target="_blank">http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org</a><br>
<br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div dir="ltr"><font size="1"><i>"In general, we look for a new law by the following process. First, we guess it (audience laughter), no, don’t laugh, that’s the truth. Then we compute the consequences of the guess, to see what, if this is right, if this law we guess is right, to see what it would imply and then we compare the computation results to nature or we say compare to experiment or experience, compare it directly with observations to see if it works.<font><b> If it disagrees with experiment, it’s WRONG. In that simple statement is the key to science.</b></font> It doesn’t make any difference how beautiful your guess is, it doesn’t matter how smart you are, who made the guess, or what his name is. If it disagrees with experiment, it’s wrong. That’s all there is to it.”</i> -- Richard Feynman</font><br></div>
</div>