<div dir="ltr">While the language Dr. Lieberman pointed to has an element of moral muscle flexing, and I can probably think of some times it would be objectionable if I tried hard enough, it's actually far better than, for instance, the Rothbard pledge. There's a lot of room to maneuver tactically without promoting or endorsing diminishment of individual liberty; far more so than there would be if the restriction were 'increasing the size of government.' When I apply my usual examples of times libertarians should increase the size of government, they all still pass this test, which makes me pretty comfortable with it. <div><br></div><div>Not diminishing individual liberty is pretty much what we're about; size of government, in my opinion, is a poor stand-in, so this is better.</div><div><br></div><div>What about making trades, logrolling, and so on? Well, presumably you do those things because the trade-off is worth it: meaning the loss of liberty in one area is more than counterbalanced by what you get. I'd argue that, so long as that's true, you didn't run afoul of this rule. </div><div><br></div><div>My question would be: do we understand this agreement as applying to the LPUS only, to the LPUS and affiliates, or all the way down to candidates?</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr">Joshua A. Katz<div>Westbrook CT Planning Commission (L in R seat)</div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Feb 7, 2015 at 11:29 AM, Scott L. <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:scott73@earthlink.net" target="_blank">scott73@earthlink.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p><font face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">"IALP Founding Charter<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p><font face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Article 2 – Separate and Distinct<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p><font face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">1. The IALP is an organization separate and distinct
from the myriad of libertarian organizations aimed at philosophical, economic,
cultural, educational or any other non-political objective, <font color="red"><span style="color:red">and will strive to not compete or be seen as a competitor to
such organizations."<u></u><u></u></span></font></span></font></p>
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<p><font face="Verdana"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana">I wish the United States Libertarian Party would obey the
part I made <font color="red"><span style="color:red">red </span></font>above. <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal"><b><font size="3" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-weight:bold">“Article 3 – Members & Membership</span></font></b><font size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal"><font size="3" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">2.
Membership in the IALP will be open to any established political party, or
provisional party seeking recognized status, that engages in real political
activities, and is essentially libertarian<font color="red"><span style="color:red">, and does not promote or endorse any diminishment of
individual liberties.”</span></font><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p><font face="Verdana"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana">The part I made red above gives libertarian Radicals all
over the world an opportunity to use the IALP <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana">to macho flash. That being said, I will not vote No
on this motion just to object to that phrase.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-weight:bold">“Article 3 – Members
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4. There shall be no limit on the number of Members from any country.”<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p><font face="Verdana"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana">Does this mean the LNC, Inc. will recognize the Reeves
organization as an official <u></u><u></u>Oregon<u></u><u></u>
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<p><font face="Verdana"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana">United States Libertarian Party?<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p><font face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Lnc-business [mailto:<a href="mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org" target="_blank">lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org</a>] On Behalf Of Nicholas
Sarwark<br>
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2015 5:17 PM<br>
To: lnc-business<br>
Subject: [Lnc-business] Ratification of the International Association
ofLibertarian Parties charter</span></font></p>
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<p><font face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">All,<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p><font face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">I spoke with Geoff Neale earlier this week and he informed me that the<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p><font face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">nascent International Association of Libertarian Parties has finalized<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p><font face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">their charter and will be having an initial meeting in <u></u><u></u>England<u></u><u></u> on<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p><font face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">March 5. He would like us to ratify the charter and be a founding<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p><font face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">member, rather than apply for membership later. I have attached
the<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p><font face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">charter and a proposed motion to this email and intend to start a mail<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p><font face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">ballot at the beginning of next week, but after discussions with the<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p><font face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Secretary, agreed that the LNC should have a few days to<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p><font face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">discuss/digest it before the actual vote begins.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p><font face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Thanks,<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p><font face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Nick<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p><font face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Proposed motion:<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p><font face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">The Libertarian National Committee ratifies the charter of the<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p><font face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">International Association of Libertarian Parties and seeks admission<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p><font face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">to the the International Association of Libertarian Parties as a<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p><font face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">founding member.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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