<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>I'm fine with reiterating the appointment of Geoff as part of the motion, since it's a reaffirmation of the will of the convention.</div><div><br></div><div>-Nick<br><br><div><br></div></div><div><br>On Feb 8, 2015, at 9:55 PM, Tim Hagan <<a href="mailto:timhagan-tyr@yahoo.com">timhagan-tyr@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423286399081_319097"><span style="" class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423286399081_319118">The charter states that each Members shall designate a Representative to the Assembly. Do we want appointing</span><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423286399081_319118"><span style="" class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423286399081_319118"> Geoff Neale as the Representative to the International Alliance of Libertarian Parties</span> to be part of this motion, or have a separate motion, assuming this motion passes? I'm fine with including the appointment with the motion to ratify the charter.<br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423286399081_323009" dir="ltr"><br><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423286399081_319118"></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423286399081_323008" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423286399081_319118">Tim Hagan</span></div><br> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423286399081_319022" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423286399081_319021" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423286399081_319020" dir="ltr"> <hr id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423286399081_319558" size="1"> <font id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423286399081_319095" size="2" face="Arial"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Nicholas Sarwark <<a href="mailto:chair@lp.org">chair@lp.org</a>><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> "<a href="mailto:lnc-business@hq.lp.org">lnc-business@hq.lp.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:lnc-business@hq.lp.org">lnc-business@hq.lp.org</a>> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, February 8, 2015 1:56 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Lnc-business] Ratification of the International Association of Libertarian Parties charter<br> </font> </div> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423286399081_319079" class="y_msg_container"><br>Two updates:<br clear="none"><br clear="none">1) I was reminded by Mr. Neale that it's an Alliance, not an<br clear="none">Association. The motion will have that correction.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">2) Dr. George Phillies has committed to donate $150 to cover the first<br clear="none">annual cost of joining (spot price of 3g of gold is approximately $120<br clear="none">as of today).<br clear="none"><br clear="none">-Nick<br clear="none"><br clear="none">On Sat, Feb 7, 2015 at 1:11 PM, Joshua Katz <<a id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423286399081_323461" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:planning4liberty@gmail.com" href="mailto:planning4liberty@gmail.com">planning4liberty@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">> While the language Dr. Lieberman pointed to has an element of moral muscle<br clear="none">> flexing, and I can probably think of some times it would be objectionable if<br clear="none">> I tried hard enough, it's actually far better than, for instance, the<br clear="none">> Rothbard pledge. There's a lot of room to maneuver tactically without<br clear="none">> promoting or endorsing diminishment of individual liberty; far more so than<br clear="none">> there would be if the restriction were 'increasing the size of government.'<br clear="none">> When I apply my usual examples of times libertarians should increase the<br clear="none">> size of government, they all still pass this test, which makes me pretty<br clear="none">> comfortable with it.<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> Not diminishing individual liberty is pretty much what we're about; size of<br clear="none">> government, in my opinion, is a poor stand-in, so this is better.<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> What about making trades, logrolling, and so on? Well, presumably you do<br clear="none">> those things because the trade-off is worth it: meaning the loss of liberty<br clear="none">> in one area is more than counterbalanced by what you get. I'd argue that,<br clear="none">> so long as that's true, you didn't run afoul of this rule.<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> My question would be: do we understand this agreement as applying to the<br clear="none">> LPUS only, to the LPUS and affiliates, or all the way down to candidates?<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> Joshua A. Katz<br clear="none">> Westbrook CT Planning Commission (L in R seat)<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> On Sat, Feb 7, 2015 at 11:29 AM, Scott L. <<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:scott73@earthlink.net" href="mailto:scott73@earthlink.net">scott73@earthlink.net</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> "IALP Founding Charter<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> Article 2 – Separate and Distinct<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> 1. The IALP is an organization separate and distinct from the myriad of<br clear="none">>> libertarian organizations aimed at philosophical, economic, cultural,<br clear="none">>> educational or any other non-political objective, and will strive to not<br clear="none">>> compete or be seen as a competitor to such organizations."<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> I wish the United States Libertarian Party would obey the part I made red<br clear="none">>> above.<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> “Article 3 – Members & Membership<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> 2. Membership in the IALP will be open to any established political party,<br clear="none">>> or provisional party seeking recognized status, that engages in real<br clear="none">>> political activities, and is essentially libertarian, and does not promote<br clear="none">>> or endorse any diminishment of individual liberties.”<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> The part I made red above gives libertarian Radicals all over the world an<br clear="none">>> opportunity to use the IALP<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> to macho flash. That being said, I will not vote No on this motion just<br clear="none">>> to object to that phrase.<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> “Article 3 – Members & Membership<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> 4. There shall be no limit on the number of Members from any country.”<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> Does this mean the LNC, Inc. will recognize the Reeves organization as an<br clear="none">>> official Oregon affiliate of the<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> United States Libertarian Party?<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> Scott Lieberman<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBB<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> -----Original Message-----<br clear="none">>> From: Lnc-business [mailto:<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org" href="mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org">lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org</a>] On Behalf Of<br clear="none">>> Nicholas Sarwark<br clear="none">>> Sent: Friday, February 06, 2015 5:17 PM<br clear="none">>> To: lnc-business<br clear="none">>> Subject: [Lnc-business] Ratification of the International Association<br clear="none">>> ofLibertarian Parties charter<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> All,<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> I spoke with Geoff Neale earlier this week and he informed me that the<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> nascent International Association of Libertarian Parties has finalized<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> their charter and will be having an initial meeting in England on<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> March 5. He would like us to ratify the charter and be a founding<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> member, rather than apply for membership later. I have attached the<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> charter and a proposed motion to this email and intend to start a mail<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> ballot at the beginning of next week, but after discussions with the<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> Secretary, agreed that the LNC should have a few days to<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> discuss/digest it before the actual vote begins.<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> Thanks,<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> Nick<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> Proposed motion:<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> The Libertarian National Committee ratifies the charter of the<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> International Association of Libertarian Parties and seeks admission<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> to the the International Association of Libertarian Parties as a<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> founding member.<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> _______________________________________________<br clear="none">>> Lnc-business mailing list<br clear="none">>> <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:Lnc-business@hq.lp.org" href="mailto:Lnc-business@hq.lp.org">Lnc-business@hq.lp.org</a><br clear="none">>> <a shape="rect" href="http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org" target="_blank">http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org</a><div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yqt3436155280" id="yqtfd95245"><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">><br clear="none">><br clear="none">> _______________________________________________<br clear="none">> Lnc-business mailing list<br clear="none">> <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:Lnc-business@hq.lp.org" href="mailto:Lnc-business@hq.lp.org">Lnc-business@hq.lp.org</a><br clear="none">> <a shape="rect" href="http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org" target="_blank">http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org</a><br clear="none">><br clear="none"><br clear="none">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">Lnc-business mailing list<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:Lnc-business@hq.lp.org" href="mailto:Lnc-business@hq.lp.org">Lnc-business@hq.lp.org</a><br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org" target="_blank">http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org</a><br clear="none"></div><br><br></div> </div> </div> </div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>_______________________________________________</span><br><span>Lnc-business mailing list</span><br><span><a href="mailto:Lnc-business@hq.lp.org">Lnc-business@hq.lp.org</a></span><br><span><a href="http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org">http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org</a></span><br></div></blockquote></body></html>