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    Aaron Starr, in 2009 or 2010, was the first person to explain to me
    how "benefits lapse date" and "sustaining membership lapse date" are
    not the same thing. <br>
    <br>
    You might check with him on this. I think he would tell you that it
    is NOT correct to say:<br>
    "Foundation Member = Sustaining Member"<br>
    "the expiration date of Association Levels is the same as the
    expiration date of Sustaining Memberships."<br>
    <br>
    It's confusing as heck, I'll admit. Again, I did not design this
    system. I argued for more simplicity and clarity. <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-signature">Wes Benedict, Executive Director<br>
      <small><small>Libertarian National Committee, Inc.<br>
          <b>New address: 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314</b><br>
          (202) 333-0008 ext. 232, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:wes.benedict@lp.org">wes.benedict@lp.org</a><br>
          facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational<br>
          Join the Libertarian Party at: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lp.org/membership">http://lp.org/membership</a></small></small><br>
      <br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/28/2015 10:31 AM, Scott L. wrote:<br>
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                  style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana">The
                  Executive Director and the
                  Operations Director have had PLENTY of time to figure
                  out the details of the
                  new association levels.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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                  style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana">I admit
                  that I have not become an “expert”
                  on interpreting these policies, because as an LNC
                  Regional Alternate I don’t
                  need to know the details of how the Assoc. Levels are
                  administered.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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                  style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana">However –
                  it is REALLY,
                  REALLY clear, even to me,  that <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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                  style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana">   
                  Foundation
                  Member = Sustaining Member<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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                  style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana">IOW - the
                  expiration date of
                  Association Levels is the same as the expiration date
                  of Sustaining
                  Memberships.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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                  style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana"><br>
                  I think the Executive Director is accidentally
                  confusing the Benefits Lapse
                  Date with the expiration date of a sustaining
                  membership.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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                  style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana">BTW – I
                  agree that it was
                  not wise for the LNC to use the term “Foundation
                  Member” when the
                  term “Sustaining Member” is used in our Bylaws.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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                  style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana">    Scott
                  Lieberman<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:windowtext;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font
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                    style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
                    color:windowtext"> Lnc-business
                    [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org">mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org</a>] <b><span
                        style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Wes
                    Benedict<br>
                    <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b>
                    Tuesday, April 28, 2015 7:18
                    AM<br>
                    <b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b>
                    <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:lnc-business@hq.lp.org">lnc-business@hq.lp.org</a><br>
                    <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b>
                    Re: [Lnc-business]
                    requesting co-sponsors for expedited email ballot</span></font><font
                  color="black"><span style="color:windowtext"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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                  style="font-size:12.0pt">The term "Sustaining
                  Membership" is not in the section of the Policy Manual
                  describing
                  Association Levels. The expiration date of Association
                  Levels is different from
                  the expiration date of Sustaining Membership. Again, I
                  didn't design this
                  system. I argued for more simplicity. <br>
                  <br>
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                    style="font-size:12.0pt">Wes Benedict, Executive
                    Director<br>
                    <br>
                    <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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                    style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana">GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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                    style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana">Mr.
                    Executive Director:<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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                  size="2"><span
                    style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana">Does
                    your e-mail below mean that
                    you and the Operations Director are disregarding the
                    directive that I copied
                    from the LP web site about an hour ago?<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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                    style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana"><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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                  size="2"><span
                    style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana"> <a
                      href="https://www.lp.org/membership-levels"
                      title="https://www.lp.org/membership-levels"
                      moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.lp.org/membership-levels</a><u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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                    style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana">     
                    “</span></font><font color="black"><span
                    style="color:windowtext">Convention
                    registration fees do not count towards association
                    levels.”<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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                  size="2"><span
                    style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana"><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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                  size="2"><span
                    style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana">I have
                    a capture of that web page in
                    case the Chair, or anyone else, wishes to examine
                    the evidence.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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                  size="2"><span
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                    style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana">   
                    Scott Lieberman<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:windowtext;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font
                    color="black" face="Tahoma" size="2"><span
                      style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
                      color:windowtext"> Lnc-business [<a
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org">mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org</a>]
                      <b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Wes
                      Benedict<br>
                      <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b>
                      Tuesday, April 28, 2015 7:03
                      AM<br>
                      <b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> <a
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:lnc-business@hq.lp.org">lnc-business@hq.lp.org</a><br>
                      <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b>
                      Re: [Lnc-business]
                      requesting co-sponsors for expedited email ballot</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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                    style="font-size:12.0pt">Robert Kraus and I
                    interpreted the bylaws to mean that the convention
                    registration counts as
                    Sustaining membership. Obviously Alicia Mattson sees
                    things differently. <br>
                    <br>
                    Sustaining membership is different from the benefits
                    lapse date. It is
                    confusing.<br>
                    <br>
                    I didn't design our complicated membership plan, but
                    I did put forth a genuine
                    effort to explain it on page 15 of this LP News:<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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                    <a
                      href="http://www.lp.org/files/lp_news/2014-4_LP_News.pdf"
                      moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.lp.org/files/lp_news/2014-4_LP_News.pdf</a><br>
                    <br>
                    <br>
                    <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
              <u1:p></u1:p>
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                    color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
                      style="font-size:12.0pt">Wes Benedict, Executive
                      Director<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><font
                    color="black" face="Verdana" size="2"><span
                      style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana"><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><font
                    color="black" face="Verdana" size="2"><span
                      style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana">GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGg<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Times
                    New
 Ro" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;
                      font-family:"Times New\000D\000A Ro""><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
              </div>
              <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"
cite="mid:CA+Jr9xEDFuBJKWrKjpXVhWhK-y+7-_99BMHVNJeZWkbOxJNROA@mail.gmail.com"
                type="cite">
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Times
                      New

                      " size="3"><span
                        style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                        New\000D\000A"">Since I know that
                        some humans have a tendency to stop reading an
                        email if it's more than two
                        paragraphs long, let me point out that at the
                        end of this message I am
                        requesting sponsors for an expedited email
                        ballot.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><font
                        color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
                          style="font-size:12.0pt"><br>
                          Previously this term it has been necessary to
                          deal with the reality that LNC
                          members are to be sustaining members of the
                          Party.  In the previous case,
                          I raised a point of order because an at-large
                          LNC member who had been a
                          sustaining member at the convention when he
                          was elected had since allowed his
                          sustaining status to lapse.  At its December,
                          2014 meeting, the LNC
                          re-appointed that member to the seat after the
                          sustaining status was reinstated.<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><font
                          color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
                            style="font-size:12.0pt">As the Secretary
                            has
                            specific duties related to credentialing
                            questions and determinations of
                            sustaining membership counts, now it is my
                            job to once again raise a point of
                            order regarding a member's status.<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black"
                            face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
                              style="font-size:12.0pt">For convenience,
                              I have copied the relevant bylaw
                              provisions below:<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
                      </div>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black"
                            face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
                              style="font-size:12.0pt">------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
                      </div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><font
                          color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
                            style="font-size:12.0pt">Bylaws Article 5.3:<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
                      <div style="margin-left:33.5pt">
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black"
                            face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
                              style="font-size:12.0pt">"Sustaining
                              member” is any Party member who
                              has given at least $25 to the Party in the
                              prior twelve months, or who is a
                              life member.<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
                      </div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black"
                          face="Times

                          " size="3"><span
                            style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times\000D\000A""><br>
                            Bylaws Article 5.6:<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
                      <div>
                        <div style="margin-left:33.5pt">
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black"
                              face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
                                style="font-size:12.0pt"><br>
                                Only sustaining members shall be counted
                                for delegate apportionment and
                                National Committee representation. Only
                                sustaining members shall be eligible to
                                hold National Party office or be a
                                candidate for President or
                                Vice-President.<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
                        </div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black"
                            face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
                              style="font-size:12.0pt"><u1:p> </u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
                      </div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><font
                          color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
                            style="font-size:12.0pt">Bylaws Article 8.4:<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
                      <div style="margin-left:33.5pt">
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black"
                            face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
                              style="font-size:12.0pt">A National
                              Committee member shall be a sustaining
                              member
                              of the Party, and shall not be the
                              candidate of any party except the Party or
                              an affiliate.<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
                      </div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><font
                          color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
                            style="font-size:12.0pt">------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><font
                          color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
                            style="font-size:12.0pt">During our 3/29/15
                            <st1:city u4:st="on"><st1:place u4:st="on"><st1:city
                                  w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Phoenix</st1:place></st1:city></st1:place></st1:city>
                            meeting, Doug Craig was declared elected to
                            the at-large vacancy.  On
                            4/16/15, Robert Kraus informed me, Wes
                            Benedict and Nick Sarwark that Doug
                            Craig had lapsed but that he had renewed on
                            4/16/15.<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><font
                          color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
                            style="font-size:12.0pt">I asked for clarity
                            on
                            what date Mr. Craig had lapsed because it
                            matters procedurally whether the
                            lapse occurred before or after the 3/29/15
                            meeting in which the LNC elected him
                            to the at-large vacancy.<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><font
                          color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
                            style="font-size:12.0pt">Raiser's Edge
                            records
                            indicate that his last sustaining-level
                            donation had been on 7/26/13. 
                            Since then the only transactions had been
                            his purchase of a convention package
                            on 5/6/14, and then his sustaining-level
                            renewal on 4/16/15.<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
                    </div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><font
                        color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
                          style="font-size:12.0pt">I look at Bylaw
                          Article
                          5.3 and see that a person must have "given" at
                          least $25 in the prior
                          12 months, or be a life member.  Since Mr.
                          Craig is not a life member, the
                          question is whether he had given at least $25
                          in the 12 months prior to 3/29/15
                          when the LNC acted to fill the vacancy.  To
                          me, "giving" money
                          is a very different thing from a purchase of
                          goods/services such as a
                          convention package or a t-shirt, so I do not
                          think that the convention package
                          qualifies towards sustaining membership.<br>
                          <br>
                          My conclusion is that Mr. Craig's sustaining
                          membership lapsed on 7/26/14 (one
                          year after his 7/26/13 donation), and that it
                          wasn't renewed until 4/16/15. 
                          That would mean he was not a sustaining member
                          on 3/29/15 when the LNC took
                          action regarding the vacancy.<br>
                          <br>
                          Given my conclusion that he was not a
                          sustaining member at the time, I believe
                          the motion adopted to name him to the at-large
                          vacancy is null and void because
                          it violated the bylaws which require
                          sustaining membership for LNC members.<br>
                          <br>
                          For convenient reference, relevant citations
                          from Robert's Rules are below:<br>
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><font
                          color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
                            style="font-size:12.0pt">RONR p. 430-431,
                            439 make
                            it clear that in an election, members may
                            only vote for eligible nominees, thus
                            votes cast for an ineligible person are
                            actually illegal votes.<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
                    </div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><font
                        color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
                          style="font-size:12.0pt">RONR p. 445,
                          regarding
                          challenging an election, states:<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
                    <div style="margin-left:33.5pt">
                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><font
                          color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
                            style="font-size:12.0pt">"Otherwise, an
                            election
                            may be contested only by raising a point of
                            order. The general rule is that
                            such a point of order must be timely, as
                            described on page 250, line 30 to page
                            251, line 2. If an election is disputed on
                            the ground that a quorum was not
                            present, the provisions on page 349, lines
                            21–28, apply. Other exceptions
                            to the general timeliness requirement are
                            those that come within the five
                            categories listed on page 251, lines 9–23,
                            in which cases a point of
                            order can be made at any time during the
                            continuance in office of the
                            individual declared elected. For example: <u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
                    </div>
                    <div style="margin-left:33.5pt">
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black"
                          face="Times

                          " size="3"><span
                            style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times\000D\000A"">   
•   
                            If an individual does not meet the
                            qualifications for
                            the post established in the bylaws, his or
                            her election is tantamount to
                            adoption of a main motion that conflicts
                            with the bylaws...."<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
                    </div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black"
                        face="Times
 Ne" size="3"><span
                          style="font-size:12.0pt;
                          font-family:"Times\000D\000A Ne""><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <div>
                      <div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                            style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><font
                              color="black" face="Times New Roman"
                              size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Here
                                is the relevant
                                portion of the cross-referenced passage
                                on RONR p. 251:<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
                          <div style="margin-left:33.5pt">
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><font
                                color="black" face="Times New Roman"
                                size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">"The
                                  only exceptions
                                  to the rule that a point of order must
                                  be made at the time of the breach
                                  arise
                                  in connection with breaches that are
                                  of a continuing nature, in which case
                                  a
                                  point of order can be made at any time
                                  during the continuance of the breach.
                                  Instances of this kind occur when: <u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
                          </div>
                          <div style="margin-left:33.5pt">
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><font
                                color="black" face="Times New Roman"
                                size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">   
a)   
                                  a main motion has been adopted that
                                  conflicts with the
                                  bylaws (or constitution) of the
                                  organization or assembly,<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
                          </div>
                          <div style="margin-left:33.5pt">
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><i><font color="black"
                                  face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-style:italic">[items (b) through (e)
                                    snipped for
                                    brevity]</span></font></i><br>
                              <br>
                              In all such cases, it is never too late to
                              raise a point of order since any
                              action so taken is null and void. <u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
                          </div>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                            style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><font
                              color="black" face="Times New Roman"
                              size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><br>
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                            style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><font
                              color="black" face="Times New Roman"
                              size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">My
                                conclusion is that
                                according to our rules, Mr. Craig's
                                election was in violation of the bylaws,
                                thus that motion is null and void and we
                                still have an at-large vacancy. 
                                Now that Mr. Craig has renewed his
                                sustaining membership, he is eligible to
                                be
                                properly elected to that vacancy.<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                            style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><font
                              color="black" face="Times New Roman"
                              size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">We
                                just need to proceed
                                to act again to fill the vacancy.  I
                                suspect that the outcome of a second
                                vote now will be the same as it was
                                then, but we should go through the
                                process
                                of doing it properly so as to remove any
                                cloud of doubt.  Making the
                                effort to do it properly will show
                                respect to the rules, and it settles the
                                question now so that it won't come up
                                later if a contentious vote is decided
                                by
                                a margin of Mr. Craig's vote.<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black"
                              face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
                                style="font-size:12.0pt">At this time
                                I'm raising a point of order that Mr.
                                Craig's election on 3/29/15 is null and
                                void because it violated the bylaw
                                requirement that LNC members must be
                                sustaining members of the party.<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#888888"
                              face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
                                style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#888888"><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
                        </div>
                      </div>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black"
                          face="Times

                          " size="3"><span
                            style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times\000D\000A"">Unfortunately,
                            I am not
                            bringing this up at the most ideal time.  My
                            to-do list following the <st1:city
                              u4:st="on"><st1:place u4:st="on"><st1:city
                                  w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Phoenix</st1:place></st1:city></st1:place></st1:city>
                            meeting was much larger than usual.  When
                            this was first brought to my
                            attention, I didn't have the bandwidth to
                            fully process it immediately, and it
                            just got added to my to-do list.  If the
                            chair or I had brought this
                            matter to you earlier, we would have had
                            more breathing room to address this
                            before our May 3 electronic meeting.<br>
                            <br>
                            I was just thinking we could address it on
                            May 3, but as I started writing this
                            message it occurred to me that the
                            electronic meetings are special meetings, so
                            we can't add agenda items at the last
                            minute.  We could address a
                            credentialing question of who is eligible to
                            vote during the meeting, but we
                            couldn't add an agenda item for filling a
                            vacancy.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black"
                          face="Times

                          " size="3"><span
                            style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times\000D\000A""><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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                          face="Times

                          " size="3"><span
                            style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times\000D\000A"">There
                            is still an option
                            for the full LNC to address the issue before
                            then, though.  Mail ballots
                            can end early <u>if all LNC members will
                              promptly vote or specifically abstain
                              rather than waiting the full 10 days</u>. 
                            With cooperation from all of
                            you, we can still finish an email ballot
                            before May 3.  <br>
                            <br>
                            I spoke in favor of another candidate for
                            this position, but I'm willing to
                            co-sponsor an email ballot so the LNC can
                            have a chance to resolve the matter
                            before our May 3 meeting.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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                          face="Times

                          " size="3"><span
                            style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times\000D\000A""><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><font
                          color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
                            style="font-size:12.0pt">I'm asking that
                            either
                            the chair sponsor, or 3 other LNC members
                            promptly co-sponsor with me an email
                            ballot to elect Doug Craig to the at-large
                            vacancy created by Evan McMahon's
                            resignation.<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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