<div dir="ltr">Vicki,<div><br></div><div>It sounds like December 12-13 would be better for several LNC members. It's not like the LNC is a very large group. All we'd need is one modest-sized room. If the Rosen Centre doesn't have space, perhaps one of the several other nearby Rosen properties might? That would still give everyone, especially recent LNC members, another opportunity to view the convention location.</div><div><br></div><div>Dan Wiener</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 2:22 PM, Vicki Kirkland <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:vickilp12@gmail.com" target="_blank">vickilp12@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Availability is an issue, not just the room rate. Reserving for a group is different</div><div>from making individual reservations. After Thanksgiving weekend, the Rosen Centre has quite a few events scheduled and does not have the availability.</div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div> </div><div>Vicki Kirkland</div><div>Region 2 </div></font></span></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 5:06 PM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:goldsteinatlarge@gmail.com" target="_blank">goldsteinatlarge@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div style="font-family:"Calibri","Segoe UI","Meiryo","Microsoft YaHei UI","Microsoft JhengHei UI","Malgun Gothic","sans-serif";font-size:12pt" dir="ltr"><div>I am running for Indianapolis City Council and will also be very busy until Election Day.</div><div><br></div><div>Sam Goldstein <br></div><div><div><br></div><div>Sent from Windows Mail</div><div><br></div></div><div style="padding-top:5px;border-top-color:rgb(229,229,229);border-top-width:1px;border-top-style:solid"><div><font face=" 'Calibri', 'Segoe UI', 'Meiryo', 'Microsoft YaHei UI', 'Microsoft JhengHei UI', 'Malgun Gothic', 'sans-serif'" style="line-height:15pt;letter-spacing:0.02em;font-family:"Calibri","Segoe UI","Meiryo","Microsoft YaHei UI","Microsoft JhengHei UI","Malgun Gothic","sans-serif";font-size:12pt"><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:jwl3s@virginia.edu" target="_blank">Jim Lark</a><br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 16, 2015 3:39 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:lnc-business@hq.lp.org" target="_blank">lnc-business@hq.lp.org</a></font></div></div><div><div><div><br></div><div dir="">
Dear colleagues:<br>
<br>
I hope all is well with you. Ms. Kirkland's message below
suggests that I may not have explained well the second comment
offered in my previous message. Allow me to clarify the point I
sought to make.<br>
<br>
I have been aware since speaking to Ms. Kirkland several days
ago that the Rosen Centre is offering a room rate of $95.00 per
night for the Nov. 14-15 meeting date. Mr. Sarwark's message
indicated that after the Nov. 28-29 weekend, the hotel will be in
holiday season; as a result, room rates will increase. Thus, I was
surprised to observe that the room rate quoted for Nov. 14-15
(before the holiday season begins) is higher than the rate for Dec.
12-13 (after the holiday season begins).<br>
<br>
The fact that the website rate quoted for Nov. 14-15 is higher
than that for Dec. 12-13 doesn't necessarily imply anything about
the rates we shall be offered for a Dec. 12-13 meeting vis-a-vis the
aforementioned $95.00 rate. However, it suggests to me that before
considering a motion in this matter, we should inquire whether the
hotel will make us a similar offer ($95.00 or thereabouts) for a
December meeting. <br>
<br>
Unless the Rosen Centre doesn't have the necessary guest rooms
or meeting space for Dec. 12-13, I would be very surprised if the
hotel is unwilling to make us a similar offer for that date,
especially given that we are holding our national convention there
next year. I don't believe the hotel will consider it impertinent
of us to request formally a $95.00 rate for a Dec. 12-13 meeting.<br>
<br>
Allow me to emphasize that I don't want to put anyone to great
trouble and/or expense so that I can address libertarian student
conferences in Europe. If the LNC chooses the Nov. 14-15 meeting
date after careful consideration of the situation, so be it.
However, before we make the choice, let us ensure that we have
investigated the matter fully.<br>
<br>
As always, thanks for your work for liberty. Again, I hope my
comments are helpful to you.<br>
<br>
Take care,<br>
Jim<br>
<br>
James W. Lark, III<br>
Advisor, The Liberty Coalition<br>
University of Virginia<br>
<br>
Region 5 Representative, Libertarian National Committee<br>
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<div>On 6/16/2015 1:10 PM, Vicki Kirkland
wrote:<br>
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<div>We had the budget meeting in mid November in 2012, so it's
not unheard of to</div>
<div>have it in November.</div>
<div>The rate they can give us for the weekend of November 14/15
is 95 dollars per night.</div>
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<div>Vicki Kirkland</div>
<div>Region 2 Rep</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 12:56 PM, James
Lark <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jwl3s@virginia.edu" target="_blank">jwl3s@virginia.edu</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid">Dear
colleagues:<br>
<br>
I hope all is well with you. I greatly appreciate Mr.
Sarwark soliciting feedback concerning this matter before
submitting a motion for our consideration. Allow me to
share with you some comments about this matter; I hope you
find them helpful.<br>
<br>
1) The weekend of Nov. 14-15 is very bad for me, as I have
been invited to deliver an address to the European Students
For Liberty conference in Copenhagen, Denmark on Nov. 14.
In addition, since we shall consider the 2016 budget during
this meeting, I believe it would be better for us to hold
the meeting on Dec. 12-13 (or if necessary Dec. 5-6), as we
would have more information at our disposal in preparing the
budget.<br>
<br>
As a related point, the Executive Committee is
responsible for preparing the draft budget for consideration
in advance of the LNC meeting. Holding our fall meeting on
Nov. 14-15 would likely require the EC to prepare the draft
budget in later October. At least two EC members (Bill
Redpath and I) will be very busy in October, as elections
for the Virginia General Assembly take place in November.
(Mr. Redpath and I serve as chair and vice chair,
respectively, of the Libertarian Party of Virginia.)<br>
<br>
2) A few minutes ago I visited the Rosen Centre website to
check on room rates for Nov. 13-15 and for Dec. 11-13. I
was surprised to observe that the rate for a "deluxe double
room" was $194.00 for both Nov. 13 and Nov. 14, whereas the
rate for the same room on Dec. 11 and Dec. 12 was $173.00.<br>
<br>
While the fact that rates on the website for a Nov.
14-15 meeting are higher than rates for a Dec. 12-13 meeting
doesn't imply the Rosen Centre will give us the same room
rates for the two meeting dates, it suggests to me that we
should make additional inquiries concerning rates for a Dec.
12-13 meeting (and a Dec. 5-6 meeting) before any motion is
considered. Frankly, I would be very surprised if the Rosen
Centre is unwilling to give us the same rate for a Dec.
12-13 meeting as long as rooms and meeting space are
available.<br>
<br>
3) I believe there is an additional benefit to holding the
LNC meeting on Dec. 12-13 that we should consider.
Specifically, the anniversary of the founding of the LP
takes place on Dec. 11. Perhaps we could hold a Libertarian
Party celebration/fundraiser on the evening of Friday, Dec.
11 at the hotel. Indeed, assuming that there are no FEC (or
State of Florida) problems, we may be able to conduct a
joint LP/LP Florida/LP local Orlando organization
celebration that evening. In any event, we may be able to
organize some type of celebration at the hotel that provides
an additional incentive for the hotel to give us a favorable
rate for a Dec. 12-13 meeting.<br>
<br>
As always, thanks for your work for liberty; as always,
thanks for considering my comments. I look forward to
seeing you next month.<br>
<br>
Take care,<br>
Jim<br>
<br>
James W. Lark, III<br>
Advisor, The Liberty Coalition<br>
University of Virginia<br>
<br>
Region 5 Representative, Libertarian National Committee<br>
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On 6/16/2015 9:56 AM, Nicholas Sarwark wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid">All,<br>
<br>
Vicki Kirkland has been in contact with the Rosen
Centre, the site of<br>
our May 2016 convention, about the possibility of
having an LNC<br>
meeting there in advance of the convention. This
would allow the many<br>
members of the committee (myself included) who have
not been to the<br>
venue to see it prior to this coming May.<br>
<br>
In her discussions with the hotel, they have offered a
$95/night room<br>
rate for the weekend of November 14-15, but indicated
that the only<br>
weekends they could make that rate available would be
that one and the<br>
weekend immediately following Thanksgiving (November
28-29). After<br>
that point, the hotel is in holiday season and the
rates go up.<br>
<br>
Before we have a mail ballot on the issue, I'd like to
put it out to<br>
the list for a discussion of the pros and cons of the
proposed date<br>
and venue versus any alternatives.<br>
<br>
-Nick<br>
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