<div dir="ltr"><div>This is one of those situations that highlights the inherent problems with email ballots. <br><br></div>In a face-to-face meeting a motion could be withdrawn during the debate period, but not once voting has started. With email ballots the debate period overlaps the voting period, so can it be withdrawn or not?<br><div><br>In a face-to-face meeting we would quickly settle the question of withdrawing the motion, or more likely we would amend the original by substitution, before any votes were cast. It would probably be done without objection in a face-to-face meeting, but what is the email ballot procedure for that? Since it is essentially a vote, it technically takes the same 10 days for an email ballot to see if anyone objects.<br><br></div><div>Email ballots are parliamentary la-la land, which is why RONR starts warning against them on page 1.<br><br></div><div>I strongly suspect that no one will object to granting permission for this motion to be withdrawn. If nobody objects, we'll consider this first one withdrawn, and then the votes cast on this one already won't matter. If someone does object but waits until the last minute, then people will be scrambling to vote no on the first motion to kill it before the voting ends. If you're going to object, please do so now rather than waiting 10 days. This has the potential to get technically messy otherwise.<br><br></div><div>I suppose those of us willing to allow this first motion to be withdrawn could go ahead and vote no just so it will be doomed regardless of any future objection that could arise.<br></div><div><br></div><div>-Alicia<br><br></div><div><br><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 4:56 PM, Scott L. <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:scott73@earthlink.net" target="_blank">scott73@earthlink.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p><font size="2" face="Verdana"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana">Once voting has started, the maker can not unilaterally
withdraw a motion, since it belongs to the body as whole.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p><font size="2" face="Verdana"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana">The maker needs a majority vote to be able to withdraw his
motion. <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p><font size="2" face="Verdana"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana">My guess is that the easiest thing to do is to ask if
anyone has any objection to this motion being withdrawn. If no reply is
received in – 24 hours? – then it would be OK to withdraw the
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<p><font size="2" face="Verdana"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana">If the Secretary disagrees with my interpretation I look
forward to reading her opinion.<br>
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<p><font size="1" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Lnc-business [mailto:<a href="mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org" target="_blank">lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org</a>] On Behalf Of Nicholas
Sarwark<br>
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 2:43 PM<br>
To: <u></u><a href="mailto:lnc-business@hq.lp.org" target="_blank">lnc-business@hq.lp.org</a><u></u><br>
Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2015-06: <u></u><u></u>Oklahoma<u></u><u></u> petition drive<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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</span><p><font size="1" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial">I have asked the Secretary to withdraw this motion in favor
of one with revised wording to address the concerns of some LNC members.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p><font size="1" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial">-Nick<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">> We have an electronic mail ballot.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p><span class="">
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<p><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">> Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by June 28, 2015 at
11:59:59pm<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">> Pacific time.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">> Sponsor: Sarwark<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">> Motion: Increase the Ballot Access Expense line item by
$65,000, from<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">> $57,500 to $122,500, contingent on the LNC receiving cash
receipts, not<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">> reduced by any associated fundraising expenses, that are earmarked
for a<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">> 2015 Libertarian Party of Oklahoma petition drive, of at least
$60,000.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">> Alicia Mattson<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">> LNC Secretary<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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