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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'>I am replying on
lnc-business because some State Chairs get mad at me when I post opinion
e-mails to the State Chairs e-mail list.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'>This is in reply to
Mr. Ludlow’s comments that I made red below.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'>I understand the
Barack Hussein Obama campaign committees are not political parties, but they
are close enough to that definition for government work.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'><a
href="http://swampland.time.com/2012/11/15/exclusive-obamas-2012-digital-fundraising-outperformed-2008/">http://swampland.time.com/2012/11/15/exclusive-obamas-2012-digital-fundraising-outperformed-2008/</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>“The total number of donors to the campaign also increased in 2012, the
adviser said. In all, 4.4 million individuals gave to the Obama re-election
bid, up from 3.95 million in 2008.”<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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font-family:Verdana'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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font-family:Verdana'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Verdana'>There is no shortage of people who would donate to the
LNC, Inc., to our state affiliates, and to our candidates <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>if </span></b>we can prove that we can elect our
candidates to public office. In other words, most donors want concrete
results, <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Verdana'>as opposed to chest-thumping media releases and social
media posts. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Verdana'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Verdana'>Advocacy groups measure their results by how much good
legislation they can get Republican or Democrat politicians to pass (1), but
political parties measure their results by how much good legislation their own
elected officials can pass. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Verdana'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Verdana'> Scott Lieberman Region 4 Alternate, LNC<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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font-family:Verdana'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Verdana'>1. Or how much bad legislation they can get Republican
and Democrat politicians to defeat, obviously.</span></font><font size=2
color=black face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Statechairs
[mailto:statechairs-bounces@hq.lp.org] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>Kevin Ludlow<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, July 14, 2015 12:12
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> David Colborne<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> State Chairs<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Statechairs]
Membership trends</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Brett,<br>
<br>
For sake of not getting to tangential, I'm going to back this up just a little
bit. I started by saying I was trying to formulate a mathematical point
specifically as to avoid strategizing blindly.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>My only real point is
that without first examining the general trend of data [the political party
membership] across the spectrum, it's impossible to say how the LP is actually
doing. I appreciate someone illustrating voter registration, but I would
argue that this in itself is still not an Apples to Apples comparison
(especially as I think the same voice pointed out that we're actually going
better? than the other two parties in his regard).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>I appreciate that we're
selling the "product" of candidates, but David essentially makes my
point for me with his soda analogy. If people believe soda is not to be
drunk then it's very possible there is nothing you can do to make them buy
it. So maybe start selling juice instead (incidentally coca-cola has a
massive gatorade-esque and water market now). My desire to break from the
analogy of candidates being products is simply that they're all coke if you
will. You can change the recipe any which way you want to, but it doesn't
change the fact that they're still sugary beverages that people probably
shouldn't touch.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3 color=red
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:red'>I'm suggesting
that as a mathematical/statistical reality, perhaps (not for sure - I have no
idea) people DON'T want to join political parties - period. Perhaps
they're not interested in shelling out cash for the empty promise of a
political party.</span></font> Perhaps it has nothing to do with how many
changes you make to the soda if people genuinely DON'T want soda.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>That's not to say the LP
should fold any more than the Ds or Rs would - not at all. But it's to
first consider that perhaps growth should not be the absolute focal
point. ...and I'm making that purely as a data argument, not a
philosophical one.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>The short is that I
really don't know. But from the lack of data available, I can conclude
that nobody else does either and this presents a problem to me from a strategic
POV.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>-Kevin<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'>GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 1:56 PM, David Colborne <<a
href="mailto:david.colborne@lpnevada.org" target="_blank">david.colborne@lpnevada.org</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Absolutely
we're selling a product. That product is libertarian political candidates.
Support us and we'll put more product on the shelves. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>The issue
here is a lot of people are starting to view political parties like
"soda" (or "pop", depending on the region you're from).
There are still plenty of people buying soda (and political party candidates),
but most everyone agrees it's unhealthy and we need to drink less of it. So,
how do you get people to keep buying soda? Similarly, plenty of people support
political parties - Fox News' entire business model is predicated on the idea
that there are 'Republicans' and 'Socialists', while MSNBC assumes that there
are 'Democrats' and 'Corporatists' - but most people want more direct
involvement in the selection of their candidates from 'farm to shelf' than
party machine politics have traditionally granted. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>So, how
does the LP capitalize on that, and how can National benefit from that
capitalization? That's the open question. What helps keep me engaged, at least,
is that I can 'punch above my weight' in the LP. If I tried to join the
Republicans or the Democrats, the odds of anything I say or think or so being
worth anything to anyone are considerably lower than they are in the LP since
there are a lot of old power structures in there that literally have to die out
before fresh blood can step in and do anything useful. Additionally, the
ideology behind the LP is much closer to my personal ideology than anything
offered by the Republican or Democratic parties.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>I can't
imagine I'm the only one that wants to participate in politics without being
surrounded by a bunch of old retirees. I could be wrong.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Verdana;color:black'>GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Jul 14, 2015 11:28 AM, "Kevin Ludlow" <<a
href="mailto:ludlow@gmail.com" target="_blank">ludlow@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Great to hear from
you. We spoke rather extensively last year at national. I want to
state up front that I'm only approaching this from a mathematical point of
view.<br>
<br>
>You are correct, people are leaving the major political parties which means
the LP should be increasing in size dramatically<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>This is a false
assumption. There is no evidence I could possibly fathom that would
suggest because people are leaving major political parties they would naturally
come to the LP. Maybe people hate ALL political parties (they'd have
really good reason to IMO).<br>
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> Lets assume for a moment that everyone is leaving politics, that does not
give us an excuse for our membership numbers. If this was a business and people
were no longer subscribing to our services, that means we need to work harder
and launch new products and services or we would be out of business.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>This part I agree and
disagree with. The fact is that it DOES give us an excuse. If
numbers are down across the board then they're down across the board.
This is the difference between a product and an ecosystem of products.
...or in our case the entire political apparatus. That said,
I DO agree that launching newer products and services is how those companies
adapt into the future. Unfortunately I'm not sure that analogy continues
to hold much water in the case of a political party because after all, we're
NOT selling products.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Anyway, I don't have the
data so I can't conclude one way or the other. However, if national
trends for political party membership is down, then it stands to reason very
plainly that ours would be down too.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>-Kevin<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'>GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 1:19 PM, Brett H. Pojunis <<a
href="mailto:brett@pojunis.com" target="_blank">brett@pojunis.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Verdana'>Hi Kevin</span></font><font face=Verdana><span
style='font-family:Verdana'>,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Verdana'>You are correct, people are leaving the major political
parties which means the LP should be increasing in size dramatically.
Additionally, most states are realizing organic increases in registered voters.
The LP should be in a completely different place.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Verdana'>Lets assume for a moment that everyone is leaving
politics, that does not give us an excuse for our membership numbers. If this
was a business and people were no longer subscribing to our services, that
means we need to work harder and launch new products and services or we would
be out of business.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Verdana'>I wouldn't care one bit if the LNC and National office
were trying new things but they aren't. All we get is justification for their
poor performance. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Verdana'>Kevin since you are new I want to make sure that you know
I am not sitting here complaining, I have offered to help out many times and it
falls on deaf ears. As a full time Chairman in <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Nevada</st1:place></st1:State> and someone who cares about the
National Party I want to help and I have the time and ability to do so. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Brett H. Pojunis<br>
Chairman of the Libertarian Party of <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Nevada</st1:place></st1:State><br>
The Political Party - Founder<br>
<st1:Street w:st="on"><st1:address w:st="on">1771 E. Flamingo Road, Suite 201 A</st1:address></st1:Street><br>
<st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Las Vegas</st1:City>, <st1:State
w:st="on">NV</st1:State> <st1:PostalCode w:st="on">89119</st1:PostalCode></st1:place><br>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'><a href="http://www.PoliticalPartylv.com"
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 11:07 AM, Kevin Ludlow <<a
href="mailto:ludlow@gmail.com" target="_blank">ludlow@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>I'm a little new to this
thread, but with respect to the original in-line image, has anybody taken the
time to compare this again membership trends in the two major parties - or even
the Greens for that matter? Every Gallop article I read suggests people
are leaving political parties in droves; I believe I read yesterday that 41% of
Americans now identify as independents.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Without comparing against national trends for ALL political parties, I
can't really see how this discussion can exist. We could be exactly
inline with US trends or even above them for that matter. Sincere
apologies if this has already been done.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Thanks much.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Kevin Ludlow<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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