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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Verdana><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:navy'>Vickie is correct and this has been
debated and published to this list in the past. In short, I was tasked to look
at alternative locations for multiple meetings by former Chair Geoff Neale. The
rules for venues like libraries are very restrictive and can be expensive. In
one case – for a <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Chicago</st1:place></st1:City>
area meeting – we were faced with limited hours, a $500 janitorial expense,
additional deposits, and someone had to be a resident of the township who could
“sponsor” us. That, plus there were no hotels within several miles of the
library, meant we would have to rent a van service ($400 per day) or arrange
car pooling. Also there was limited food facilities near the library and food
and beverage was not permitted in the library. Other than those obstacles it
was a great idea. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Verdana><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:navy'>Obviously, the way to really limit costs
is to hold meetings here in the DC area or at HQ. As soon as I have the
finalized costs fo the last meeting I will resend out the comparison chart
showing all the meeting expenses over the last several years and you will see
how much we save by doing a DC area meeting vs. outside of DC. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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11.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:navy'>Speaking of which I am still working
with Rosen Centre on finalizing details for the Nov meeting including doing my
best to limit our expenses. The last meeting at the Rosen Centre was one of our
most expensive ever do to very high a/v costs. I should have something early
next week. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Vicki Kirkland
[mailto:vickilp12@gmail.com] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, July 31, 2015 9:52
AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> riemers@juno.com<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> Starchild;
roland.riemers@lp.org; scottjspencer@gmail.com; brett@brettbittner.com; Doug
Craig; Ed Marsh; Sean O'Toole; <st1:PersonName w:st="on">rowindeler@aol.com</st1:PersonName>;
region1rep@donedad.com; JAlanKatz@gmail.com; Bill Redpath; Alicia Mattson; <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">Tim Hagan</st1:PersonName>; Arvin Vohra; Scott L.; Rob.Oates@lp.org;
Marc Feldman; Rich Tomasso; Vicki Kirkland; Nicholas Sarwark; Sam Goldstein;
Gary Johnson; Daniel Wiener; Daniel Hayes; Guy McLendon; jay.estrada@lp.org;
jwlark@virginia.edu; <st1:PersonName w:st="on">lnc-business@hq.lp.org</st1:PersonName>;
lncvotes+owners@googlegroups.com; LNCDiscussPublic@yahoogroups.com;
GrassrootsLibertarians@yahoogroups.com<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: LNC meetings</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Several years ago, Robert checked into alternative meeting places such
as <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>public libraries and discovered that they were not cost effective.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>One of the problems I see with libraries is most of them are closed on
Sunday<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>mornings and also on holiday weekends. Also, many of them have
restrictions<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>on bringing food in which we need to do for working lunches.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Robert is very good at keeping meeting costs down. I say let <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>him do his job.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Vicki Kirkland<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 9:17 PM, <a href="mailto:riemers@juno.com">riemers@juno.com</a>
<<a href="mailto:riemers@juno.com" target="_blank">riemers@juno.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Starchild, et. al.<br>
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While I have no problem traveling to the far corners of US of A on my dime on
LNC business, we still need to be accountable to the members on how we
spend their money, and I would have no problem meeting in some public library
instead of a fancy hotel. But I do prefer the live person over a web or
telephone meeting.<br>
<br>
I guess we should discuss the actual staff cost to the party of these quarterly
in-person meetings, and do we really need to move them about to the far corners
of the world. (If they are necessary, then lets go to <st1:State w:st="on">Hawaii</st1:State>
or <st1:place w:st="on">Guam</st1:place> for the next one! :-)<br>
<br>
If we really want to travel to hill and dale, then we should look at the most
cost effective way of the staff doing so, and also limit the staff to a
maximum of 1 to 3 people. Cheaper meeting locations might be found, and
if we are flying staff there, then maybe some of us who have a surplus of
frequent flyer miles might be willing to donate them for staff travel?<br>
<br>
I have also always felt that instead of meeting in vacation cities, we should
meet in some of the back corners of the country, such as <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Detroit</st1:place></st1:City>, where we might meet real people with
real problems and learn something, and where we might also get better
news media as well.<br>
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<st1:PersonName w:st="on">Roland Riemers</st1:PersonName>, Dist 6 rep<br>
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