<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div>Wes,<br><br></div>No, I definitely did not know that.  It seems like it would be the case as presumably we would get more efficient with our efforts over time, but I've not seen any data to illustrate that point.<br><br></div>In case I've come across poorly, I don't want to seem as if I object to the idea or anything like that.  I just want to encourage the body to have specifically defined strategic goals rather than the "implied goals" that Mr. Olsen was referring to.  As an advocate of the devil, while ballot access may be cheaper, one could still ask what it's end goal is.  I would argue that getting a single person elected to a partisan office would have a far greater impact than simply allowing others (who will realistically never win an election) to run for office through our ballot access measures.  I concede one affects the other and am not making a case for either, but just illustrating how the strategy could differ if it were defined that way.<br><br></div>For the time being, I'm delighted to see the party working so hard to help Oklahoma, am totally behind the effort, and hope that it provides the party with a big morale boost and helps boost the party throughout the state.<br><br></div>-Kevin Ludlow<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 10:24 AM, Wes Benedict <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:wes.benedict@lp.org" target="_blank">wes.benedict@lp.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    Kevin, did you know that ballot access has gotten easier and
    cheaper, year after year, as a result of our decades of sustainable
    efforts?<br>
    <br>
    <div>Wes Benedict, Executive Director<br>
      <small><small>Libertarian National Committee, Inc.<span class=""><br>
          <b>New address: 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314</b><br>
          <a href="tel:%28202%29%20333-0008%20ext.%20232" value="+12023330008" target="_blank">(202) 333-0008 ext. 232</a>, <a href="mailto:wes.benedict@lp.org" target="_blank">wes.benedict@lp.org</a><br>
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          Join the Libertarian Party at: <a href="http://lp.org/membership" target="_blank">http://lp.org/membership</a></span></small></small><br>
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    <div>On 12/10/2015 10:57 PM, Kevin Ludlow
      wrote:<br>
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                    <div>I appreciate the variety of voices responding
                      to my questions.  And to Mr. Olsen, 6 paragraphs
                      were most certainly welcome :)<br>
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                    I apologize for not being on the call on Monday. 
                    Unfortunately work does occasionally take precedent
                    over my extra-curricular activities - political or
                    otherwise.  I was also fairly confident the vote
                    would pass and of course it did.  So regardless of
                    anyone's position on the matter, here we are.<br>
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                  The gist of what I was getting at was simply to have
                  the cost/benefits explained to me.  Mr. Tomaso nailed
                  one simply by citing the overall morale boost that
                  ballot access provides.  While perhaps difficult to
                  measure, there is no doubt relevance to the claim. 
                  Mr. Olsen, however, adds a tick to the "con" side in
                  that he cites the difficulties with the sustainability
                  of ballot access.<br>
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                In most any business model one would likely be advised
                to stray AWAY from something that is unsustainable.  It
                becomes difficult to predict costs, there is always an
                element of being unsuccessful, and meanwhile there exist
                goals that actually ARE sustainable should one direct
                their effort that way.<br>
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              Perhaps I'm still just too new, but it simply struck me
              that I could not really weigh the cost/benefits of the
              financial decision we were about to make in any practical
              way.  I have since been informed of 1 or 2 costs and 1 or
              2 benefits, but it still seems the Libertarian party
              should really be making decisions almost exclusively upon
              this kind of analysis and having a specifically defined
              strategy rather than an implied one as Mr. Olsen points
              out.<br>
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            Anyway, thank you all for listening and for responding to my
            questions / concerns.  I appreciate your time.<br>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 2:44 PM, Scott
          L. <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:scott73@earthlink.net" target="_blank">scott73@earthlink.net</a>></span>
          wrote:<br>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Verdana" color="black" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black"> </span></font></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Verdana" color="black" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black">I
                      am very glad that
                      the Regional Representative from Colorado
                      is asking us to look at and evaluate “</span></font><font face="Verdana" color="black" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black">This
                      implied goal, or objective if you prefer, is 50+
                      state ballot
                      access for the Libertarian party</span></font><font face="Verdana" color="black" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black">.”</span></font></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Verdana" color="black" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black"> </span></font></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Verdana" color="black" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black">Unfortunately,
                      now is
                      not a good time for a full-blown analysis of the
                      issues that the Regional
                      Representative is asking us to look at.</span></font></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Verdana" color="black" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black"> </span></font></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Verdana" color="black" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black">We
                      are only 6 months
                      away from the end of our LNC term, and only 6
                      months away from the beginning of
                      the General Election portion of the 4 year
                      Presidential Election Cycle.  I
                      think we have a moral commitment to our members to
                      maximize the number of
                      states that the <b><span style="font-weight:bold">2016
                        </span></b>Libertarian
                      Presidential Nominee is on the ballot, obviously
                      constrained by how much money
                      we have available to pay for signatures.</span></font></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Verdana" color="black" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black"> </span></font></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Verdana" color="black" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black">However
                      – the next
                      LNC <b><span style="font-weight:bold">should </span></b>start
                      discussing the
                      topic of ballot access at their very first
                      full-weekend meeting of the next LNC
                      term.  That way, they have at least 6 months
                      before they even have to
                      begin collecting signatures to get a candidate on
                      the ballot for vote test
                      purposes for the Nov. 2017 elections (VA, NJ, and
                      a couple of others).</span></font></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Verdana" color="black" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black">That
                      being said, I
                      disagree with the Regional Representative’s
                      statement that “</span></font><font face="Verdana" color="black" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black">Since
                      specific strategies and or objectives have not
                      been
                      established, the vacuum is filled with the implied
                      objective of achieving 50+
                      state ballot access.  While a noble and
                      legitimately political objective,
                      it suffers from several problems;  the most
                      significant of which is the
                      problem of being unachievable on a permanent, or
                      even semi-permanent, basis .”</span></font></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Verdana" color="black" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black">The
                      Republican and
                      Democrat Parties have permanent ballot status,
                      because they understand that if
                      they removed ballot access for the other major
                      party in even one state, that “accomplishment”
                      could be turned into a nationwide scandal.  But
                      until the LP becomes a
                      major party (1) the  Libertarian Party will not
                      have “permanent”
                      ballot access in any state.</span></font></p>
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                      However, we CAN achieve semi-permanent ballot
                      access in 50 states, or darn
                      close to that number.  To do that, the LNC needs
                      to stop focusing on
                      October ballot access, and instead focus on
                      December ballot access.  That probably
                      means sacrificing ballot access in a few states
                      BEFORE an election in an
                      even-numbered year, and using the money saved to
                      lobby or sue for lower vote
                      tests in states that have ridiculously high vote
                      tests (Alabama
                      and Connecticut
                      come to mind).</span></font></p>
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Scott
                      Lieberman</span></font><font face="Verdana" color="black" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black"></span></font></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Verdana" color="black" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black">1. 
                      Defined by
                      the FEC, for example, as receiving 25% of the vote
                      for President</span></font><font face="Verdana" color="black" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black"></span></font></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">
                        Lnc-business
                        [mailto:<a href="mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org" target="_blank">lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org</a>]
                        <b><span style="font-weight:bold">On
                            Behalf Of </span></b>Norm Olsen<br>
                        <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b>
                        Monday, December 07, 2015
                        11:50 AM</span></font></p>
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                    <div><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><br>
                        <b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b>
                        <a href="mailto:lnc-business@hq.lp.org" target="_blank">lnc-business@hq.lp.org</a><br>
                        <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b>
                        Re: [Lnc-business] report
                        on Oklahoma
                        visit</font></div>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" color="#1f497d" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1f497d">Hello
                          Kevin . . .</span></font></p>
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                      why we should be focusing so many efforts on
                      Oklahoma?<font face="Calibri" color="#1f497d" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1f497d"></span></font></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" color="#1f497d" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1f497d"> </span></font></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" color="#1f497d" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1f497d">I’d
                          like to
                          take a shot at answering your question.  I
                          have been asking similar
                          questions for five years now.  I could write a
                          book in response.  But
                          alas; you ask for a paragraph.  And a short
                          one at that.  Would I be
                          unreasonable to supply five or six paragraphs?</span></font></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" color="#1f497d" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1f497d"> </span></font></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" color="#1f497d" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1f497d">The
                          LNC does not
                          have a specifically defined strategy; nor does
                          it have a stated set of
                          objectives.  The indisputable result is that
                          it does not have a list of
                          tactics (i.e. well defined activities) to
                          pursue to achieve any of these
                          undefined objectives.  While attempts have
                          been made, I am unaware of any
                          meeting that has established such
                          strategies/objectives or any writing in the
                          bylaws or policy manual that establishes
                          such.  (The policy manual lists a
                          set of “core activities”, but that’s about
                          it.)</span></font></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" color="#1f497d" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1f497d"> </span></font></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" color="#1f497d" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1f497d">Nevertheless,
                          the
                          LNC is not totally rudderless.  There exists
                          an implied basic goal and
                          implied tactics to achieve the implied goal. 
                          I became aware of this implied
                          goal (although I did not immediately recognize
                          the significance of it) at my
                          very first LNC meeting in November of 2010 in
                          New Orleans.  At that meeting, the
                          following motion was adopted:</span></font></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><i><font face="Calibri" color="#1f497d" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1f497d;font-style:italic"><a href="https://www.lp.org/files/2010-11-20-LNCMeetingMinutes-NewOrleans.pdf" target="_blank"></a><a href="https://www.lp.org/files/2010-11-20-LNCMeetingMinutes-NewOrleans.pdf" target="_blank">https://www.lp.org/files/2010-11-20-LNCMeetingMinutes-NewOrleans.pdf</a></span></font></i><font face="Calibri" color="#1f497d" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1f497d"> 
                          (printed page 17, .pdf page 17):</span></font></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" color="#1f497d" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1f497d"> </span></font></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><font face="Century
                        Schoolbook" color="#1f497d" size="2"><span>. . . moved to
                          authorize the Executive Committee to encumber
                          expenses for ballot access,</span></font></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><font face="Century
                        Schoolbook" color="#1f497d" size="2"><span>notwithstanding
                          the provisions of section 1.05 of the Policy
                          Manual, for the year 2011.</span></font></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" color="#1f497d" size="1"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1f497d">[Section
                          1.05 of the
                          Policy Manual is that section which limits
                          Executive Committee encumbrances to
                          that which has been budgeted.]</span></font></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" color="#1f497d" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1f497d"> </span></font></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" color="#1f497d" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1f497d">This
                          motion was
                          made, seconded, <b><span style="font-weight:bold">and the question
                              called</span></b>
                          in a time frame of about 35 seconds.  It was
                          approved by a 11-1 roll call
                          vote.  This implied goal has been recertified,
                          implicitly, in every budget
                          resolution pass by the LNC in the last 5
                          years.  The Ballot Access
                          Petitioning Expense line typically receives
                          65% to 85% of the budgeted
                          discretion funds in each year.  You
                          participated in the budget discussions
                          of the 2016 budget where Ballot Access
                          Petitioning Expense was allocated 70% of
                          the funds available for allocation among the
                          Policy Manual’s “core
                          activities”.</span></font></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" color="#1f497d" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1f497d"> </span></font></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" color="#1f497d" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1f497d">This
                          implied goal,
                          or objective if you prefer, is 50+ state
                          ballot access for the Libertarian
                          party, with some added emphasis on
                          Presidential elections.  On the
                          surface, this appears to be a noteworthy
                          objective.  However, it has been
                          adopted implicitly rather than explicitly. 
                          That is why the question you
                          asked comes up from time to time.  Gaining
                          ballot access in all 50 states
                          is the primary focus of the LNC, and remains a
                          primary focus in fundraising
                          efforts.  (It’s hard to raise funds to
                          purchase office supplies,
                          much easier to raise funds for ballot
                          access.)  And so, given the improved
                          chance to gain ballot access in Oklahoma,
                          even if it is for a single election cycle, it
                          is not surprising that the effort
                          is getting a large share of our attention and
                          resources.  Given that this
                          has been the primary focus of what the LNC
                          does, and has been doing for at
                          least two (if not four) decades, it is
                          something we must demonstrate success at
                          or we begin to lose the respect of our members
                          and donors.</span></font></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" color="#1f497d" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1f497d"> </span></font></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" color="#1f497d" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1f497d">That
                          answers the
                          primary question, but the leaves the follow up
                          questions begging for an answer.</span></font></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" color="#1f497d" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1f497d"> </span></font></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" color="#1f497d" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1f497d">Since
                          specific
                          strategies and or objectives have not been
                          established, the vacuum is filled
                          with the implied objective of achieving 50+
                          state ballot access.  While a
                          noble and legitimately political objective, it
                          suffers from several problems;
                           the most significant of which is the problem
                          of being unachievable on a
                          permanent, or even semi-permanent, basis . 
                          Thus, the LNC has a single
                          overpowering objective which is absorbs most
                          all of its resources to achieve,
                          and continued consumption of these resources
                          to maintain to the degree
                          achieved.  In other words, a pleasant way of
                          saying an enormous,
                          perpetual, drain on resources which precludes
                          most all other possible uses of
                          financial resources.</span></font></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" color="#1f497d" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1f497d">I
                          have been
                          suggesting for some time now that expending
                          most all of our discretionary funds
                          on ballot access petitioning may not be the
                          best use of the financial resources
                          entrusted to us by our members and donors. 
                          For that, I have been
                          unofficially dubbed the “nattering nabob of
                          negativity” of the
                          Libertarian Party.  However, things are
                          looking up.  Thanks to
                          efforts of the Chair and Executive Director,
                          the 2016 budget includes $45,000
                          for Affiliate Support, up 4,500% from where it
                          was in 2014.  Our Affiliate
                          Support Specialist contractor appears to have
                          made more progress in just three
                          months than the LNC has in the previous six
                          years (since the formation of the
                          Affiliate Support Committee).  I look forward
                          to the time when the
                          “core activities” other than the Ballot Access
                          Petitioning activity
                          are allotted equivalent amounts of the
                          financial resources entrusted to
                          us.  At that time, the primary question and
                          the follow up questions will
                          both, hopefully, be moot.</span></font></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" color="#1f497d" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1f497d"> </span></font></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" color="#1f497d" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1f497d">We
                          have ballot
                          access in 28 states; and ballot access is
                          reasonable (e.g. ~1,000 signatures)
                          in another 10 states.  The low hanging fruit
                          in the ballot access arena
                          has been picked.  It’s time to start producing
                          political success in
                          the 38 states where we have ballot access or
                          can reasonable obtain such.</span></font></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" color="#1f497d" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1f497d"> </span></font></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" color="#1f497d" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1f497d">Norm</span></font></p>
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                          T Olsen</span></font></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" color="#1f497d" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1f497d">Regional
                          Representative,
                          Region 1</span></font></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" color="#1f497d" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1f497d">Libertarian
                          National
                          Committee</span></font></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" color="#1f497d" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1f497d">7931
                          South Broadway,
                          PMB 102</span></font></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" color="#1f497d" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1f497d">Littleton</span></font><font face="Calibri" color="#1f497d" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1f497d">,
                          CO  80122-2710</span></font><font face="Calibri" color="#1f497d" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1f497d"></span></font></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" color="#1f497d" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1f497d"><a href="tel:303-263-4995" value="+13032634995" target="_blank">303-263-4995</a></span></font></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"><b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">
                            Lnc-business
                            [mailto:<a href="mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org" target="_blank">lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org</a>]
                            <b><span style="font-weight:bold">On
                                Behalf Of </span></b>Kevin Ludlow<br>
                            <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b>
                            Wednesday, December 02, 2015
                            2:21 PM<br>
                            <b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b>
                            <a href="mailto:lnc-business@hq.lp.org" target="_blank">lnc-business@hq.lp.org</a><br>
                            <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b>
                            Re: [Lnc-business] report
                            on Oklahoma
                            visit</span></font></p>
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                                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><font face="Times New
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                                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><font face="Times New
                                            Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Thank
                                              you for this
                                              update.  </span></font></p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><font face="Times New
                                          Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">I
                                            would like to make a
                                            request of the LNC body.  Is
                                            there a member that could,
                                            in a short
                                            paragraph or less, explain
                                            why we should be focusing so
                                            many efforts on Oklahoma? 
                                            As the
                                            Region-7 rep I find myself
                                            in an interesting position
                                            with this issue.  On
                                            the one hand I am biased to
                                            see Oklahoma
                                            get additional resources,
                                            but on the other hand I am a
                                            practical business
                                            person who sees numerous
                                            flaws with pouring money
                                            into this.</span></font></p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Do we
                                          want ballot access
                                          across the country?  Of
                                          course!  This doesn't even
                                          need to be
                                          discussed.  But at what cost
                                          are we willing to attain that
                                          goal?</span></font></p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">What is
                                        the actual
                                        downside of us losing Oklahoma
                                        ballot access?  I don't fully
                                        understand the loss would
                                        affects others
                                        running in the state, but even
                                        if it entirely prevented their
                                        own candidacy,
                                        how much do we lose with that? 
                                        This isn't meant to be
                                        antagonistic, but
                                        rather something the LNC should
                                        be tasked with carefully
                                        analyzing.  There
                                        was a lot of conversation that
                                        it hurts our brand in Oklahoma
                                        (a similar argument was used in
                                        Oregon). 
                                        No doubt this is true, but in
                                        Oklahoma
                                        specifically, by how much does
                                        it hurt us?  Do we raise an
                                        exorbitant
                                        amount of money in OK each year
                                        that we might not see in 2016 if
                                        we cut our
                                        losses?  </span></font></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">I will
                                      refer back to a
                                      point I've made before.  Would any
                                      of you personally spend tends of
                                      thousands of dollars of your own
                                      money on this cause?  I remain
                                      extremely
                                      frustrated we couldn't even get
                                      our own body to commit to $50 /
                                      month as top
                                      representatives of the Libertarian
                                      Party and yet here we are
                                      cavalierly about
                                      to discuss whether to spend $10s
                                      of thousands of additional dollars
                                      on a cause
                                      which by all accounts we simply
                                      may not succeed in.  I feel very
                                      strongly
                                      this is the kind of difficult
                                      decision the LNC **should** have
                                      to make and it
                                      strikes me that we haven't really
                                      analyzed the cost/benefits of it. 
                                      Rather we relying upon the notion
                                      of: "we believe in ourselves so
                                      let's
                                      pour more money into this."  ...a
                                      la every government pep-talk ever.</span></font></p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">I will also
                                    concede that
                                    I fully appreciate and understand
                                    the position the party (specifically
                                    the
                                    Chair) is in for having raised
                                    certain monies specifically tied to
                                    us making
                                    this effort.  I do get that.  But
                                    I'm merely wanting us to consider
                                    how much more useful that money
                                    could possibly be in other areas. 
                                    Are we
                                    not a political party?  Could we not
                                    politick donors into understanding
                                    WHY the money they donated was
                                    ultimately moved to a different
                                    state
                                    cause?  Since everyone is a
                                    philosopher here, there is very
                                    basic
                                    Aristotelian logic at play here
                                    regarding donation distribution.  In
                                    the
                                    famed question, "There is a surplus
                                    of flutes, to whom do they go?",
                                    they go to the flutists as those are
                                    the only people who can use them. 
                                    My
                                    point being that there is simply no
                                    sense in us pouring money into a
                                    cause we
                                    cannot win when that money could be
                                    given to states/people who can
                                    actually
                                    improve the overall results of our
                                    Party - rather than MAYBE catch us
                                    up to the
                                    status quo.</span></font></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">So to
                                  conclude, I am in
                                  no way saying we SHOULD cut our
                                  losses.  But I would really like
                                  somebody
                                  to quantify for me specifically what
                                  we lose (objectively) if we don't
                                  chase
                                  this goal.  Or for that matter if we
                                  chase it and fail.  I am asking
                                  that because I believe the "goal"
                                  right now is far too broad; of
                                  course we all want ballot access.  I
                                  want to know if what we would lose is
                                  tolerable to the body.  That question
                                  seems far more relevant in the
                                  decision process.</span></font></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Please feel
                                  free to email/call/text me any time of
                                  day at <a href="tel:512-773-3968" value="+15127733968" target="_blank">512-773-3968</a>
                                  with any questions / comments.</span></font></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Thank you much
                                for your time.</span></font></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times
                            New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Kevin
                              Ludlow</span></font></p>
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                          New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Region
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                            <a href="tel:512-773-3968" value="+15127733968" target="_blank">512-773-3968</a></span></font></p>
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                              Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 2:47 PM, Wes Benedict
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> I went to
                                Oklahoma for two
                                reasons: first, to help with the
                                petition drive, but second, to get a
                                closer
                                look so I could decide if I thought we
                                should just shut it down. We are
                                spending about $2,500 a week there, and
                                we're about to double that rate, so if
                                we are going to cut our losses and end
                                it, the sooner the better.</span></font></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">My bottom line
                                report to the LNC executive committee is
                                that I'm confident we can ramp up our
                                signature collection rate enough to
                                finish the drive before the March 1
                                deadline, but we are going to have to
                                exceed the $65,000 budget for Oklahoma
                                by $15,000 to
                                $25,000 to finish the drive.</span></font></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">I'm
                                recommending
                                we try to finish the drive, but it
                                wouldn't be so unreasonable to end it
                                now if
                                that's what you decide to do. Things
                                have gone worse than we had originally
                                planned. </span></font></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">We initially
                                hoped
                                that we could do this drive for $2 per
                                signature and that we could finish it by
                                early fall. Recent petition drives in
                                places like Arkansas have gone well, and
                                with stories of
                                petitioners fighting over turf and
                                demanding the opportunity to work for us
                                in
                                some places, it seemed like we might
                                actually be exceeding the market rate
                                for
                                signatures in some cases.</span></font></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">But things have
                                been harder than expected in Oklahoma. 
                                On October 27, we raised the rate in
                                Oklahoma
                                from $2 to $2.50 per signature, and even
                                at that higher rate, finding enough
                                people to work has been a challenge. </span></font></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Before we
                                started
                                the Oklahoma
                                drive, stalwart libertarian petitioner
                                Andy Jacobs warned us that petition
                                drives for initiatives in other states
                                in the fall would be competing with us
                                for workers and would drive up our
                                costs, so we needed to get it done over
                                the
                                summer. Unfortunately, we didn't start
                                until the end of the summer.  And
                                while Andy did good work for us in
                                Oklahoma
                                for several weeks, he, as well as other
                                petitioners, have indeed left Oklahoma
                                for the higher
                                paying non-Libertarian Party Petition
                                work in other states that he warned us
                                about. Although Andy is out of Oklahoma
                                now, he does continue to stay interested
                                in our progress and has been generous
                                with suggestions for improvement. I'm
                                sure he'd be happy to share his thoughts
                                on our Oklahoma
                                effort with any of you directly if you
                                reach out to him. </span></font></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">One suggestion
                                from Andy is that we should pay more to
                                entice petitioners back and possibly
                                even pay $5 per signature for door to
                                door petitioning. Our petitioners have
                                had hard times finding good locations
                                with lots of the kind of foot traffic
                                that makes for productive petitioning.
                                Door-to-door petitioning can give very
                                high validity signatures, so the
                                $5/signature rate for 100% validity is
                                not so
                                far off from $2.50 per signature for
                                around 65% validity.  </span></font></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">In hind sight,
                                I
                                wish we had started this drive earlier.
                                But I don't think right now we need to
                                offer a higher pay rate (not that we
                                could afford it, anyway). Instead, we
                                need
                                to focus on recruiting more petitioners,
                                and we are already seeing success from
                                that. </span></font></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Projections
                                I've
                                sent to Bill Redpath and Nick Sarwark
                                show that with the new workers we've
                                already recruited, we will likely finish
                                the drive on time. But we also have
                                several more petitioners saying they
                                will probably be here soon to help, and
                                if
                                just a couple of those pan out, we could
                                finish in January. </span></font></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">I've heard lots
                                of
                                complaints from petitioners that it's
                                been very hard to find good locations in
                                Oklahoma to collect
                                signatures. Petitioners have told us the
                                grocery stores won't let them
                                petition, public places like
                                universities and festival grounds have
                                been
                                hostile, and the Oklahoma Driver's
                                licensing places are too numerous to
                                have
                                significant people at any single
                                location. </span></font></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">My uncle lives
                                in Oklahoma City. I visited
                                him Saturday night briefly and was
                                surprised when he told me he had seen
                                petitioners lately at the grocery and
                                post office and he assumed they were
                                ours. I asked him exactly which
                                locations because I wondered about the
                                conflicting reports. He specified by
                                name the Crest grocery, Buy For Less
                                grocery, and post office near his home.
                                I had hoped to find time to visit those
                                stores myself to ask why they might be
                                letting petitioners for other efforts
                                work there but not libertarians
                                (assuming that was the case).  </span></font></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">I didn't find
                                time
                                for that, but LPOK vice chair Tina Kelly
                                has since told me that even she had
                                been personally told by those chains she
                                couldn't petition there, only to find
                                out later that one of the petitioners
                                she recruited somehow did get permission
                                at
                                a location of both chains. </span></font></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">I think some of
                                our stalwart petitioners like Andy are
                                used to finding locations where they
                                occasionally hit the jackpot and collect
                                over 500 signatures on a single day.
                                That makes up for the more common slow
                                days. Petitioners who come from out of
                                town usually have transportation and
                                motel expenses they pay out of pocket.
                                Locals don't have the travel overhead
                                and we are getting a few locals working.
                                They may be slower than someone like
                                Andy, but they can go slower and still
                                make
                                the economics work. Locals can spend
                                more time asking for permission at more
                                places and can afford to get chased away
                                from more locations. </span></font></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">I personally
                                saw
                                the entire batch of petition forms. That
                                was reassuring. In fact I pulled an
                                all-nighter Monday and scanned all 2,000
                                sheets in case we need help remotely
                                with validation, and because while often
                                hearing anecdotes of certain
                                petitioners routinely getting better
                                validity than others, I wanted the
                                opportunity to see for myself. </span></font></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">LP vice chair
                                Tina
                                Kelly has been indispensable to this
                                drive. Petitioners turn in signatures to
                                her, she gives us the counts, we wire
                                funds, she writes checks, and pays the
                                petitioners. She also visits with the
                                elections authorities to find out
                                important rules and procedures for our
                                petition drive. She has worked to get
                                cooperation from a couple single-issue
                                groups doing ballot initiatives.
                                Although results from those cooperation
                                efforts have been lower than hoped,
                                we’ve gotten a couple thousand
                                signatures from the cooperation.  </span></font></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Tina's son
                                recently put the Oklahoma
                                registered voter database online in a
                                searchable format to assist with
                                validity
                                checking. That will be hugely helpful. </span></font></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">While Tina has
                                done lots of work, it's hard for one
                                person to do all that she does plus
                                respond to all the complaints from
                                current petitioners and inquiries from
                                prospective petitioners, not to mention
                                answering frequent questions about
                                progress from Bill Redpath and me. We
                                recently decided to have Paul Frankel
                                help with some of the local management
                                assistance. I had gone to Oklahoma with
                                the
                                expectation that I might recommend
                                removing Paul to save money, but right
                                now I
                                think we should keep him at least for a
                                month to make sure new petitioners have
                                someone they can reach quickly any time
                                of day. Later we can reevaluate the
                                cost of having him there. </span></font></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> Tina invited
                                me and the LPOK officers and activists
                                to a nice restaurant Tuesday night. I
                                asked who would be a candidate if we got
                                ballot access. Out of about ten
                                people, at least 3 indicated interest,
                                including one who was against attempting
                                this daunting petition drive originally
                                (because it’s so much work), but
                                would run if we made it. </span></font></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">I told the
                                prospect who might be interested in US
                                Senate I'd give $200 towards the $1,000
                                filing fee if he runs in 2016, and
                                someone else quickly offered another
                                $200. I
                                think we’ll get several people to run
                                for office in addition to having
                                our candidate for President on the
                                ballot if we get ballot access.</span></font></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">(My plane,
                                where
                                I'm writing most of this note, just
                                landed in DC. Final thoughts below from
                                the
                                office.)</span></font></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">I’m not
                                counting on legal help to make a
                                difference in time for us. However, if
                                our
                                counsel or the Oklahoma ACLU is
                                successful in time, of course that might
                                make
                                things easier. </span></font></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">I’m also
                                mindful of keeping alive the dream for
                                50 state ballot access, and the negative
                                impact giving up in Oklahoma
                                now might have.</span></font></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">A Libertarian
                                from
                                Austin, Texas,
                                Michael Chastain, donated $4,000 last
                                week to help the Oklahoma petition
                                drive. That’s in
                                addition to the five thousand or so we
                                raised online recently: </span></font></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><a href="http://www.lp.org/blogs/staff/serious-help-needed-for-oklahoma-petition-drive" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://www.lp.org/blogs/staff/serious-help-needed-for-oklahoma-petition-drive" target="_blank">http://www.lp.org/blogs/staff/serious-help-needed-for-oklahoma-petition-drive</a></span></font></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">I rushed out to
                                Oklahoma Saturday partly
                                so I could be back in the office
                                Wednesday to meet Mr. Chastain in person
                                (he
                                was visiting the D.C. area and was
                                interested in visiting the headquarters
                                today--Wednesday).</span></font></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">I’ll have
                                more good news about support from Mr.
                                Chastain soon. </span></font></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">The LNC-EC is
                                schedule to meet Monday 12/7/2015, to
                                decide whether or not to continue the
                                LPOK drive. I’m sending this info to all
                                of you know in case you’d
                                like more information before that
                                meeting.</span></font></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">cc'ing Richard
                                Winger.</span></font></p>
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