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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>>> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>slowly build up a Rolodex list of volunteers who can help them when they run for County Commissioner<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>One of the several tactics which can be used in building an organization. No argument here. However, what I did not get from Dr. Lieberman’s response is that the higher objective, building a political organization, is the real point behind the entire effort.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Norm<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>--<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Norman T Olsen<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Regional Representative, Region 1<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Libertarian National Committee<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>7931 South Broadway, PMB 102<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Littleton, CO 80122-2710<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>303-263-4995<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Scott L.<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 14, 2015 12:15 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'lnc-business'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Lnc-business] report on Oklahoma visit<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Mr. Olsen is partly correct. In medium to large size districts in which having boatloads of money is a major factor in getting elected, yes: political organizations win elections.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><br>However- you have to be able to crawl before you can walk.<br><br>Even after 44 years of existence, the Libertarian Party is not even crawling right now.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>That means the elections that we can win <b>right now</b> are those that do NOT depend on a political organization.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>That means non-partisan elections, non-contested partisan elections, and partisan elections in districts which are small enough such that our candidates can walk the entire district at least once. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>If you talk to Libertarians who have won these types of elections, you will find that they <b>mostly</b> did it with little if any help from local Libertarians. Either they were a one-man show, or they had mostly non-Libertarian friends helping them. That is why I think our local LP organizations would be well served by finding candidates to run for local, winnable offices, so that said candidates DON’T need an army of Libertarian volunteers to get them elected. By winning those small elections, they will slowly build up a Rolodex list of volunteers who can help them when they run for County Commissioner.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'> Scott Lieberman<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='color:windowtext'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> Lnc-business [<a href="mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org">mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Norm Olsen<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 14, 2015 10:56 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:lnc-business@hq.lp.org">lnc-business@hq.lp.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Lnc-business] report on Oklahoma visit</span><span style='color:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>>>></span> Beyond the issues, and moderate versus radical, I'm talking about giving information to Libertarians about how the information given to Republicans winning partisan races where they are running in districts that have a baseline of support of 30 to 60% already, is different than the information that Libertarians need to start from a baseline of 2% or 5%, to get to 51%.<span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>May I point out an important aspect of this discussion. With a few exceptions, candidates do not win elections. Political parties win elections. Consider:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>1><span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Approval ratings of our national legislature are in the teens, having dipped to single digits for a while not too long ago. Yet, incumbent re-election is about 95%.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>2><span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Maybe, just maybe, one out of ten voters can tell you who their state legislature representatives are.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>3><span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Maybe, just maybe, one out of a hundred voters can tell you who their county commissioner is.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>4><span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>For the lesser public offices (state legislature, county commissioner, etc.) a huge percentage of all voters simply vote the party label.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>5><span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>My favorite: Joel Hefly (Colorado CD-5) was elected to Congress for ten terms. In later terms, he limited campaign expenses to less than $5,000 so he didn’t have to do the financial reporting. He still got elected in landslides. Was Mr. Hefly a genius? A celebrity? Nope: he was nominated by the Republican Party is a Republican district.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Parties win elections. Having a good candidate helps out a lot, but it is the political party that wins an election. For the Libertarian Party is to win partisan elections (even at the lower levels), a well established, capable, political organization has be in place. Expecting a candidate to establish his/her own organization for a campaign is a loser for three major reasons:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>1><span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>They will likely not succeed<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>2><span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Once the election is over, whatever has been accomplished organizationally is typically disappear on an early November Wednesday morning.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>3><span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Not only the candidate, but the members of the organization constructed will be disgruntled; and we’ll likely not see them ever again.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Again: A good candidate/cause helps, but with very rare exceptions: </span><b><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Political organizations win elections.<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Norm<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>--<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Norman T Olsen<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Regional Representative, Region 1<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Libertarian National Committee<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>7931 South Broadway, PMB 102<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Littleton, CO 80122-2710<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>303-263-4995<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> Lnc-business [<a href="mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org">mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Wes Benedict<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, December 11, 2015 3:26 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:lnc-business@hq.lp.org">lnc-business@hq.lp.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Lnc-business] report on Oklahoma visit<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Attention Dr. Lieberman, Mr. Katz, and other strong proponents of getting Libertarians elected:<br><br>What I think would be very helpful is a 20-page guide that has some of the kind of factual information that a rational non-interested observer, might provide, that shows what kinds of elections Libertarians have won in the past, and are likely to win in the near future.<br><br>And I'm not just talking about rants from the Leadership Institute about how your principles don't matter if you don't get elected. I understand the point the man from Baton Rouge is making about putting importance on the election mechanics required to get votes.<br><br>I'm also not talking about the kinds of messaging issues the crush-proof tubing salesman suggests about focusing on local, moderate, economic issues. <br><br>Beyond the issues, and moderate versus radical, I'm talking about giving information to Libertarians about how the information given to Republicans winning partisan races where they are running in districts that have a baseline of support of 30 to 60% already, is different than the information that Libertarians need to start from a baseline of 2% or 5%, to get to 51%.<br><br>New York has fusion. That's different than Texas. Mr. Katz was elected in a Republican seat in CT. That's different than getting elected as a Libertairan in a Libertarian seat in Indiana. <br><br>More info:<br>1. Here's a history of the size of the jurisdictions where Libertarians won partisan offices, and the types of elections they were in:<br><br>2. Types of elections: <o:p></o:p></p><ul type=disc><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo7'>P - normal partisan (one winner)<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo7'>PMx - partisan with multiple winners ("vote for x")<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo7'>PF - partisan with fusion<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo7'>PO - partisan with open filing (multiple candidates can appear with the same party label)<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo7'>PT - partisan "top-two" primary<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo7'>PTR - partisan "top-two" runoff<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo7'>N - nonpartisan (one winner)<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo7'>NMx - nonpartisan with multiple winners ("vote for x")<o:p></o:p></li></ul><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>People get real mad at me personally if I say they aren't likely to win a race for governor, so I don't say it much anymore. Instead, I say they are running to win (if that's what they want to hear from me), but if they don't win, they will help promote libertarian principles on public policy. <br><br>An LNC Elected Libertarians Committee could get away with stating the cold hard facts about what elections Libertarians are likely to win. And if done so in a certain way, such a committee could also recognize the value of running for President or Governor or Congress to advocate ending the war on drugs and changing public policy regardless of winning those races.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Wes Benedict, Executive Director<br><span style='font-size:7.5pt'>Libertarian National Committee, Inc. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 12/11/2015 1:26 PM, Joshua Katz wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal>Sidenote: This is why I have suggested, in the past, that training sessions held by a political party might usefully include one or two elected officials, who can presumably speak on two topics: 1. how to win office as a Libertarian (something outside professionals can't usually teach us, although they can teach us much), and 2. how to govern as a Libertarian - how to effectively advance an agenda while in office and move other office-holders (if serving in a non-executive capacity) to vote with you, build a coalition, and get a freer society as a benefit.<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></body></html>